Male Female Imponderables-R.E.S.P.E.C.T. by msg

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Male Female Imponderables-R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

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UPDATED: Monday, August 28, 2006 09:54
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Friday, August 25, 2006 11:26 AM

FAN-F'ING-TASTIC!
We miss you Tristan!
Ahoy! Tell the Cap'n I said AARRRRRR! He'll know what I'm talking about.

Think I'll wait for the consumption of alcohol until later in 'morrow's eve. We have a car show, karaoke contest, and Beerfest to go to. Crap, somethings bound to go wrong now. Mentioned a plan.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 11:54 AM

This isn't an imponderable or anything, but I just have to say I HATE WINDOWS XP SP 2! My companies software update tool pretty much said I had to upgrade by the end of the month. I figured today was as good a day as any. So, I kicked it off this morning. The install info said it should take 1-3 hours. 7 hours later I'm still sitting in a lab on a unix machine wasting the day away. ARGH!

Well I better run back downstairs and check how things are going.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 12:00 PM

Good luck with the usual "newer is better" BS. It sure is ponderable how much waste happens in our lives. Mine is of time as it relates to family. Talking to Babysis and GND last night made me realize how much I missed. Still got time to make up for ir, (I hope).

Night Imponderables. Good hearin' from y'all this week. Beerfest tomorrow night. Then In'n Out, then, well, beer. After that, who knows.
Hugs and love to all. Have a great weekend!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

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So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

Quote:
So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

Quote:
So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

Quote:
So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

Quote:
So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:48 PM

Quote:
So here's our new imponderable: How many of us have had a co-worker dismiss/ignore/condescend our opinions because of gender?

If you count teachers, classmates and such, thousands upon thousands of times. Being a guy isnt always popular depending on where you study in Sweden. Ive been rideculed infront of entire classes, laughed at by teachers, ignored, gotten my grades cut, and much much more.

You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:51 PM

Jumpin' back in to say Howdy V.

That and BUMP!

Okay, I'm gone now.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:57 PM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Hehe, NV, you'll have to let me know how Beerfest is. Those sorts of movies are a guilty pleasure for hubby and I, so we've been trying to decide if we should see Beerfest in the theater, or just wait for it to be out on DVD.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:58 PM

Will do. I love Broken Lizard.

Okay, now I'm gone. 'Night all.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by Penguin:
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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Laundry. Not allowed to do it. When me and the wifey first started living together I threw some of her clothes in with mine. Now mind you I leard how to do laundry in the military. Everthing I can fit in one load. So long story short I shrunk one of her casmire sweaters. Now I am not allowed to do laundry.Kelkhil

Great plan! Mess up and she won't let you do it!

It's a vaild tactic called "strategic incompetence".

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For every battle honour, a thousand heroes die along, unremembered and unsung...

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Friday, August 25, 2006 2:48 PM

On the subject of feminism and mothers n stuff, I have this to say:

I think that, as I think it was teachdaire can agree with, being raised as a male by a hardcore feminist isnt necerarily a good thing in terms of equality. I dont think men are scum, I think people are scum, and a lot of those people are male.

Me, I was raised by my mother (who had a tech job even 20 years ago n all) and my sisters, and my dad, for what I saw of him, was, and is absolutely not a woman-hater. Though I once told him that I prefer the social company of women to men, and I don't think he really understood. Anyhoo, I think for equality's sake it might be better to be raised in a household which takes gender equality for granted, rather than making it an issue. Then again, if that's how I was raised, some folks on this board can attest that I didnt exactly turn out normal. (see my feminist tyrades for more info)....

As to cooking, I just never took an interest. In terms of hot food, I essentially cant cook anything more complicated than toast(which is what I'm eating now, as a matter of fact), but I am extremely skilled in cutting watermelon into pie-shaped circles and eating those. Sorry MSG, I know, my diet (though surprisingly healthy) is an affront to cuisine.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

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Friday, August 25, 2006 3:30 PM

Hello Whitefall:

I don't like to cook either. My frige is unpluged and empty. No food in this house.

My family started out pretty average for the 1950's. Small house. Father, mother, sister, and me. Mother was a housewife but sing with the best. Was usually one of the lead singers in the church choir. Won awards for her voice. My dad was lucky to survive WWII. Came home and got work as a claims agent for a major railroad. My dad did have conservative views. The strange ideas that would come from his mouth sure puzzled me. Thought any couple who didn't have children were strange. Over population didn't seem to occur to him. I actually found out one couple he complained about couldn't have children. Besides, people have a right to their ideals as to what a family should be. I'm surprized I didn't follow his train of thought. Guess I saw the world different than he did. So we weren't quite the "Leave It to Beaver" kind of family. We were more the blind drunk at three in the morning kind of family, by the late 1960's.

Traveler

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Friday, August 25, 2006 10:43 PM

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
That, and I am an evil bastard.

I'll second that!

Can't get good peaches in New England.

*pouting*

Hey! It's winter here!!!

Stop it! Stop it!!!

EDIT: since there's never anyone on line when i am I'll just edit in my comments...

Traveler - how do you survive with no cold milk for you coffee in the morning... you do have coffee in the morining - don't you???

Tristan - welcome back - we have missed you!!

NVG - I think I can smell your cooking from 'New Melbourne' and I'm hungry - going to have to find something to cook now which will be difficult as I ahve been running down the food store 'coz I'm moving in 2 days...

If a stray Aussie turns up at you place - it'll be me following my nose!

Funny thing about feminists! I only met two I was aware of in my formative years... one was a selfish chain-smoker who inflicted her habit on her classroom and made my mother physically ill, but told us she had every right to do so!!! (asking her to not smoke for a few minutes was somehow sexist and chauvanistic?) and one was a high school teacher who would dislike any student who didn't subscribe to her strongly feminist ideals and when I said I felt that it was time to focus on equality over womens rights as several of her pet rants were out of date she took a strong dislike to me (traintor to my sex I guess) and so I was made to feel inferior and hopeless in her class... hence I was sort on anti-feminist because of these negative role-models and called myself an 'equalitarian'... Guess I still am! I am a 'Miss' (these were the first 2 'Ms's' I encountered) who believe that men and women are equal - not that they should be! I have never felt inferior to a man because he was a man and have many, many good male friends. It wasn't a family socialisation, but a childhood socialisation none-the-less!

Catch you later - Magdalena x x x

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:10 AM

I've never really had a problem in my family about gender equality. Possibly because for all intents and purposes, my mother is the dominant personality in the house, and if you'd met my father, you'd understand how relevant that is.
Possibly because I had such a... powerful... matriarch, I was raised with (in my opinion) a fairly healthy respect for the female gender. Never had a problem with women, as far as I can remember. Hell, the only friend I had in high school was one, but that kinda dovetails into the massive depression I was experiencing at the time.
I think part of the reason I never had a problem with women, or gender in general, is because it was never made into any sort of a big deal. Mom was in charge, Dad just shook his head with amusement and moved as directed, and everything worked out in the end. No reason to question it if it works, dohn luh mah?

As for cooking, I am a very poor cook. That said, for eight months of the year, I have to cook for myself. That should put it into perspective of how desperate I was to improve and how bad I ended up despite my motivation. I can cook perhaps three dishes successfully, and although I can stomach eating them week after week after week after week after... you get my drift... I'm fairly sure anybody else would fly into a boredom-induced frenzy by the end of the first month.
The first time I made chicken, I killed the pan. The chicken was alright, but the pan was toast. We had to throw it out, it was so mutilated. Don't ask how I did it. I don't think it can be reproduced via scientific method. Still, sets me on edge a bit, it does.

Bah. I'm almost as bad as one of those stereotypical 50's husbands. At least I know how to make tacos.

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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:27 AM

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

LOL! Poor pan...

I am glad that you had a friend when you were depressed James - it's important to have someone to talk with even if it's inconsequential...

I'll let you in on a secret... even though I cook for the kids I nanny I am not a good cook, and lack imagination. I too have killed a pot - a large saucepan which had to be sent to the happy-saucepan cook-top in the sky... *sniff*

Excuse me I think I got something in my eye...

*composes herself and returns to the thread* My sister gave me a cookbook called 'The I Hate to Cook Book' ... still didn't help much...

My best friend lived on 2 minute noodles throughout university... more because of funds than lack of imagination, but still...

Take care shiney people, and goodnight from 'New Melbourne' - love Magdalena x x x

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:06 AM

I am a god cook.

I make chili, grill meat and all sorts of other stuff.

My speciality is my marinara sauce. I make it from scratch. Or did when I had more time. Has been a long time since I spent an entire day perfecting may sauce. (yes all day. Normally takes between 6 and 8 hours to get it just right.)

I am sure my wife wishes I would make it again.

Kelkhil

The Shrtless Forsaken

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:36 AM

Kelkhil wrote:
Saturday, August 26, 2006 04:06
I am a god cook.

Nice typo, Kelkhil. Makes a change from troll-burgers! (But is it kosher?)

I am going to the Special Hell now, aren't I?

I always saw cooking as some form of gender-slavery (old-fashioned school). But I got into it when I lived in my student house, though I think I was also inadvertently feeding my two male housemates - I used to find notes requesting more spice in the chili, or criticizing the quality of cheese in the sauce, where once there was a bowl of left-overs...Cooking is the only domestic skill I possess. If I could afford a cleaner, I would, even for a one-bedroom teeny house like mine.

On the gender/dismissal - I had an interview at Cambridge. (UK) And I discovered, whilst I was there, that the College gave all funds to the Captains of the male sports teams and societies, and they then budgeted it out for the female teams after they had taken their cut.

So I went to Cardiff. (And left the Arthurian society, after they hastily amended their rules to prevent women fighting duels. But then, I was on the women's sabre team...)

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:00 AM

I love how gender equity somehow always ends in culinary discussion:)
Speaking of culinary discussion,dinner tonight burgers topped with portabello mushrooms, swiss cheese, and shallot mayo. Homemade fries ( baked in oven) with olive oil ,thyme and sea salt, and salads ( both summer veg pasta salad and romain with blue cheese)
Drool away boys and girls:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:23 AM

Luckily, I'm perfectly happy with my toast and watermelon... so no drool here!

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:37 AM

*jealous*

can't cook 'cos my kitchen's all packed up, and likely to stay that way for at the very least another few weeks =(

livin' on takeaway right now, soon to be living on family charity.

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jailbait.

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:44 AM

HUGS odds- Hey families aren't charity they're just families:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:53 AM

it's true, and thanks for the hugs ^^ but, i don't relish the thought of imposing on them for the next however long until i find a flat, family or not.

mostly am just pissed off and stressed at the way it's all working out...

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jailbait.

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:57 AM

You know it could be nice for them. My sis and her husband and my brother and his wife have been living with my parents for the last year and they both moved/are moving out and I think my mom might go into a decline. By the way ( referring to the how'd you choose your name thread) I love your name, but it always makes me want to go gadzooks...due to a disney version of Legend of Sleepy Hollow where they say Oddsboodkins, Gadzooks look at that old spook of spooks ( referencing Ichabod)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:19 AM

hihihihihi, well, not sure where i dredged it up from, but, am hazarding a guess that wasn't it, apologies for inducing the desire to make use of strange language

well my mum assure's me my grandmother will love the chance to feed me, and, i probably won't be imposing too much, but, i've gotten so used to actually doing it all for myself, feel uncomfortable with it.

and want to get a flat again so's i can make it home again, think i'll miss all my bits and bobs.

but mostly i'm just whinging,

*takes a bow and thanks the audience for attending this whinge of true magnificence*

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jailbait.

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:31 AM

Yeah I understand. As much as you love your family, it's hard to share space with people and all:)Hang in there and whinge away sweety we're all here for you:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:21 PM

MSG has the ability to make people drool merely by describing what she is preparing for dinner! Matter of fact, my stomach is growling now, and I haven't even heard what's on the menu!
I also love to cook, but I don't often get the chance to go crazy in the kitchen. Many of my more experimental receipes are an acquired taste, so I usually stick to stock foods. On a happier note, I have re-discovered the joys of grilling! We had a gathering here a while back, and I had to grill hamburgers and hotdogs...not a big deal, I know, but I haven't used a grill for a spell. It was nice to play with fire and food once again!

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Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:23 PM

I feel sad. All this fun talk of cooking n all... I just came from Rose's hall monitor thread... It's so depressing.

I think a break might do Rose some good, but still, I'm gonna miss her fiery-pagan-buddhist-temple-creating ways...

So i've altered my sig a bit in her honor. I dunno if it's a permanent thing, but I just feel like it tonight, Rose is such a part of this forum and this thread.

We've lost too many good browncoats already.

Sorry to rain on the cooking parade.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

We hold. We hold 'till Rose gets back.

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 2:25 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Oh Whitefall!

That is so incredibly sweet of you! Neither words nor emotes can express... I'm just so touched...

Well, I'm back, as you can see. I've cooled down a bit, enough to ignore the negative coming my way, I've gotten some quite eloquent pleas for my return, and today FollowMal appealed to my rabid and creative nature and said I'd better get my butt home and do some banner designs

Great woman, FollowMal...

On a totally random note, who thinks I should forward this to my Ex of Doom? http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/apology.shtml

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:18 AM

What? But..... aww, now I have to change my sig back! Shuckydarns.

But that is a fetching new graphic you have there. Doesnt yet have that 'classic' appeal of your old sig, but it's very pretty and gets the point across.

/fake irony voice...
So, you maybe a whole post about leaving, and then left for a couple hours? Bah, well that makes you sort of a tease, now don't it!
/ends fake irony voice.

Narg, I couldnt resist.

Glad you're back. So, should we get back to our regularly scheduled imponderings?

Ah yes, one last time... \/

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

We hold. We hold 'till Rose gets back.

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:26 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

because I love you, but I was in fact gone for four days. If you will notice that post was made early on the 23rd and it is now the 27th.
[mock very hurt voice]
You mean you didn't even notice I was gone in all that time? *sniffle*
[/mock very hurt voice]
I lurked, but I can't remember what all was discussed, but I do remember agreeing with a lot of what was said.
Oh yes, that article. The thing I found funny (in that not funny way) was that it claimed people with higher income cheat, and that men who were married tended to have higher income. No one brought that up so I thought I would.
Workplace gender bias? Not really. Age bias? Oh, yes. For some reason in my first job cashiers didn't want orders or training from someone younger than them.
Also, who thinks I should forward that article to the ex? Or at least think it's funny (I'm shocked at how accurate it is; the only thing he didn't do was expect me to forgive him, instead just saying he was sure there was no way I would. He was wrong about that, but I doubt he would want to put in the work)
Ramble ramble ramble. Lord and Lady I missed this place!

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:34 AM

Lol, maybe you wont believe this, but I just went back and checked the date on the thread, and of course I realized you are in fact correct, and I was coming here to edit, but then, you post fastlikeafreak, so you beat me too it!

On forwarding the article, can you think of any way to send it to him without him knowing it's you directly? If he thinks you're being spiteful or something, he might not even read it. Anonymous email? or is that just as bad as what he did? Not sure my own self.

Yeah, age bias is a weird thing, they want younger people, but new people are annoying, they want experienced people, but they dont want to pay more. Craziness.

But regardless, I'm afraid I can't talk today. I have what is supposedly a summer's worth of Biology to do in about twelve hours. Of course, I did already do about 33% of it, and i've done all of my English, but I was so hoping it wouldnt come to me putting in a long haul day right before school starts. Foiled again, and I shall see thee anon! (don't quite recall what that means, but... anyways)...

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon.

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:39 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Well, have fun

The website in fact offers forwarding through them. I just can't imagine he would think it was anyone but me. But by then maybe he would have read it. Or some of it.
Anyway. See thee anon (does it mean later or tomorrow? I'm sure Tristan will know)

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:46 AM

I'm still catching up on the thread as a whole, but I wanted to let you know how much I love the new signature PR - it's gorgeous! Especially the rose. And you're not on fire any more!

More animations available at http://desktophippie.googlepages.com

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:52 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Why thank you!

This was actually a fire dance shape that I just isolated perched on a fiery stem. How shiny is that?
Nope, not on fire for the time being. Except in the Forsaken threads when I'm in and out of the fire and making s'more flambe by hand

*edit* And I just saw your anti-troll icons. They cracked me up and are extremely shiny!

Sorry, still straying off-topic. It's so good to be home!

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by msg:
I love how gender equity somehow always ends in culinary discussion:)
Speaking of culinary discussion,dinner tonight burgers topped with portabello mushrooms, swiss cheese, and shallot mayo. Homemade fries ( baked in oven) with olive oil ,thyme and sea salt, and salads ( both summer veg pasta salad and romain with blue cheese)
Drool away boys and girls:)

Drools . " You're gonna come with Us. "

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Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:47 PM

I'm BACK!!! And after a whole summer of worrying, the other 66% only took about 6 hours. Whatever, I finished my summer work a whole 16, count em, 16 hours early! I'm so proud!

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon.

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Monday, August 28, 2006 3:23 AM

Morning, my fellow Imponderable-ers!
I am back at my desk, staring at a week's worth of accumulated work, and what am I doing? Checking in here, of course! I missed y'all last week!

Ok, what are we pondering today?

Oh, Whitefall, congrats!

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Monday, August 28, 2006 4:43 AM

Morning all- Well it's the first day of school and I was told my advisory would have 21...and 32 kids showed up eeeeeeeeeeeeek had to scramble the custodians for more desks and such, but it's worked out fine:)

PR- so glad you are staying! We would miss you bunches if you left just 'cause of a few rotten apples( have we considered troll repellant/some sort of spraying to reduce pests)

What should we ponder?
Oh on a school related theme: What do you consider the most essential skill for students of both genders to learn?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, August 28, 2006 4:51 AM

Morning, MSG! 32, eh? Wow. Hang in there!

Most important skill?
How about communication and interaction with others? I find that skill seems to be lacking in some people these days.

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:05 AM

See now this is where business advice is important. As a teacher, I would have said independant thinking skills...but you listed communication. HMm must work on some lessons for that:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:13 AM

MSG, I do think that effective communication skills are the door to almost everything else, especially in the world today. Our world is growing smaller each day, and if we can't make ourselves understood, we're kinda sunk, you know?
Although independent thinking would be right after communication...combine the two, and we will have a great generation!

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:14 AM

Obviously you haven't seen my advisory class ( just kidding they seem sweet, just a bit doofy)Anyway, my prep is ending SIGH!!! Must get back to that teaching thing. I'll pop in later as time permits...lets all be safe out there folks:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:28 AM

Morning, everyone (it is still morinig isn't it? I'm so tired I can't tell anymore).

Communication and interaction with others is a valuble skill. It's not one that I'm particularly good at however. I got through all of my primary, middle, and secondary education without using it. Of course, now that I'm in college, it's starting to bite me in the butt.

Another valuble skill is thinking in imaginatively and critically. Most schools from K-12 seem to love squeezing that very sort of thing out of you (present company excluded, MsG

). Once you get to college however, those very skills are not only important but required. I think that's why some people have trouble when they first arrive at college.

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"Oooh, synchronizers!"

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:31 AM

Good Morning all!

32 kids. Dang. And you have the challenging kids. Could make for an interesting year. Did I read something about tasty burgers? So much for the low cholesterol intake today.

I think communication would be the most important thing to learn. Independant thinking should be one of those underlying lessons. Maybe just put it all together including esteem building exercizes and call it "The how to get along punch in the head".

Did I hear you say grilling Tristan? Everything tastes better when licked by fire.

Big shiny welcome back hug for Phoenix Rose.

Payroll, oh boy. At least its easy. Be in and out.

Almost forgot. Beerfest. In one word:
Hi-larious.
Broken Lizard fans: Go or you will regret it.

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:34 AM

Morning, DeepGirl!
Hmm. Squeezing imaginative and creative leanings out of children...yep, I see that. I was lucky in that it did not happen to me, so I am a big proponent of fostering those skills in others, along with the communication thing. I also noticed in college people that had a hard time thinking "out of the box"...guess I never stopped to think it may have started way back in their early school days. Thanks for that!

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:36 AM

Wow, it's a big Monday for some of you. Happy first day of school, all you school type folks!

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
What should we ponder?
Oh on a school related theme: What do you consider the most essential skill for students of both genders to learn?

I agree with Tristan. Communication and interaction and add critical thinking skills. For the most part, I think college is an exercise in learning to get along with others while meeting deadlines. Something like 2% of people are actually working in fields they studied, so why all that time and money for school. To learn how to deal with groups, cranky profs, crappy deadlines, and awful roommates. All those things really help on the outside.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:37 AM

Morning, NVG! Sorry for two posts in a row...I was responding to one while you posted.
Yes, the steaks turned out well. And on the plus side, I managed not to burn down my house!

I was thinking about seeing Beerfest...and with your glowing support, I will! Thanks!

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:51 AM

I was too tired to attempt drinking afterwards, but we had a good time.

Deepgirl and RugBug in the house!

It is very funny that all that time and money is pretty much wasted on higher education. But then again I never got to go away for school. My "college" years were spent working for rent and Tons of on the job training. Knowlgeable of many skills, master of none. It sucks not being great at anything.

This is the only unique craft I posess. But again, it is something that I am not truly "great" at.

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Monday, August 28, 2006 5:56 AM

Morning, RugBug!
I, unfortunately, fall into the 98% you speak of. But, in my defense, I do use aspects of my degrees in my current line of work...does that count for anything?

I also agree with your description of college. Odd how that works...

NVG, that is one shiny piece of craft-work!

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Monday, August 28, 2006 6:06 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Morning all.

I agree with teaching communication and critical/creative thinking in school, and would add to that the idea of teaching fluency with technology. Technology is quickly entering every facet of our lives, and if you aren't comfortable sending an email or looking up directions online (let alone working in a technology field), you'll be shooting yourself in the foot, I think. Add to this the gender divide in all sorts of technology (men are early adopters, women by and large depend on men to handle the new/more complicated stuff for them), and I'm all for gender segregated technology classes from an early age.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Monday, August 28, 2006 6:08 AM

PR:
Glad to see you back! I'm also glad that you took a break if thats what you needed. We did miss you, but being upset like that is no good and sometimes a break is in order.

Interesting article. Even more so since I was thinking of apologising to my ex soon for some stuff that happened about 4 months ago before I left for Japan.

She felt that since I refused to react jealously to her going out to the bars with other guys, that I must not care about her and kept pushing my buttons until she finally suceeded. I didn't quite see it at the time, but I started acting more detached and distant after it happened. For the longest time, I thought that it was just that we weren't meant for eachother (and I still think that we aren't) but it wasn't until recently that I realized that a lot of it was my fear of being away from her for a year and what would happen in that year I was gone. I still think that trying to stay together from opposite sides of the world would not have been good (for a few reasons that I won't talk about as they are not just my stories to tell) but I just wish I would have handled things a little differently.

After all that rambling, I have two more imponderables to toss out. First is: At what point does an apology do more harm than good?
The second one is something I've been thinking about for a while: when should the brain take over for the heart? At what point

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Monday, August 28, 2006 6:11 AM

One of the greatest blessings/burdens of my life. One of the "children" I've had to nurture for fifteen years.
Question: If any of you had the history and lineage of a thousand year old craft resting firmly on your shoulders, what would you do? It is very hard to find acceptable candidates for decoy makers. They have to: be Stillwater Paiute, willing to endure clouds of mosquitoes and mud deeper than the water under which it rests, able to deal with show participants from all walks of life, and not be willing to exploit the craft for personal gain.

Kinda like finding a wife.

Man I'm screwed!

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