BlueSunShirts.com getting FOXed?!!? by TenthCrewMember

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BlueSunShirts.com getting FOXed?!!?

POSTED BY: TENTHCREWMEMBER
UPDATED: Friday, October 27, 2006 00:34
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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:23 PM

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Here's a link to an article I just saw on SerenityStuff:

http://www.serenitystuff.com/2006/09/14/bluesunshirtscom-gets-a-c-and-
d-letter-from-fox/

I apologize if folk have already talked about this, but I didn't see a thread on it...and I thought folk should know if they don't.

I could see if FOX was upset over certain designs, but if they are upset over the use of the BLUE SUN design...well...you can read my comment on SerenityStuff (which by the way is the coolest site on Earth-that-was behind this site!)

BWAH!

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:43 PM

OLDHAG

The Reason for this might be that Unviersal already has already produced and made Blue Sun t-shirts. I myself have one and got it at hot topic. I don't know if i'm the only one that has seen them but really i don't think i am. Oh, by the way, it's a bad-*ss shirt. try to find one if you already don't have yours.

Timmy

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:08 PM

There's two different designs of the Blue Sun logo, are they only going after one particular design?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:58 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

According to an email I got from Alex of Blue Sun Shirts, Fox wants his entire site shut down and he is to cease selling of all Firefly shirts.

I know that Fox owns the rights to all Firefly related articles and any images shown on their network, but WTF?!? Four years they have done nothing. Literally a hundred sites on line and Ebay merchants selling Firefly related items and they wait four years to do something. What a bunch of crap. Don't they realize that selling of such things help to market the dvd set they are making money off of?

It is this kind of shortsighted behavior that cost us the show to begin with.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:24 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

As much as I hate to say it, I think I am gonna start researching the "official" merchandise out there, and if ANY of it leads to profits for FOX, I am not buying it. If they continue, I'll resort to no longer buying DVD sets and I'll find other ways to introduce folk to Firefly...maybe go back to the way things were BEFORE the DVD set appeared...if you follow my meaning.

Additionally, I am not going to watch FOX anymore. I love Bones and the Simpsons, but I love Firefly more. Sorry FOX, but you are dangerously close to the last straw where this fan is concerned (whom, along with many others, you would have NO marketability for your show without me)

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:30 AM

BWARE42

The Blue Sun shirts on bluesunshirts.com did not appear on Firefly, did they? If I recall correctly, the tv series used an incorrect character in its blue sun log...Which was corrected by bluesunshirts.com. If that's the case, an argument can be made that the Firefly "Blue Sun" is different from bluesunshirts "Blue Sun."

A tough argument, but it's the best one you've got!

Time for some thrilling heroics.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:41 AM

WHOISRIVER

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
The Blue Sun shirts on bluesunshirts.com did not appear on Firefly, did they?

It's a valid argument, but you'd be arguing in court with one of the worlds biggest companies. They'd crush you.

At the end of the day, as long as FOX don't start targeting other sites things are fine. They went after fan sites of The Simpsons, Buffy and The X-Files a few years ago and had them all shut down. So, fingers crossed they ignore places like here.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:47 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

One Buffy site I used to frequent had a cease and desist order banning her from using any Buffy images in her banners, graphics or anywhere on her site, as well as various other orders. I really REALLY hope they aren't stupid enough to pull something like that on still-flying.

I doubt it would effect me as I'm small fry and non-profit, but then so are most fan sites out there. The Buffy site (Buffy Cross & Stake) obeyed the orders without quarrel, but with a fair amount of bitterness since she'd basically given them free advertising for six years.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:23 AM

PAGANPAUL

As a show of support, I just placed an order with bluesunshirts.com.

It's sad to see just how petty some companies can be, and even sadder to realize just how short sighted F*X is! They continue to hurt themselves at every opportunity, instead of capitalizing on free advertising opportunities.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:42 AM

CITIZEN

In big corporate world there is no such thing as living with your mistakes.

FOX is starting to realise what they're missing out on and want not just a piece but the whole damn pie.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:48 AM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
The Blue Sun shirts on bluesunshirts.com did not appear on Firefly, did they? If I recall correctly, the tv series used an incorrect character in its blue sun log...Which was corrected by bluesunshirts.com. If that's the case, an argument can be made that the Firefly "Blue Sun" is different from bluesunshirts "Blue Sun."

It is a derivative work, which means it belongs to the copyright owner of the original work that the subsequent work was derived from.

For instance you can come up with a new type of starship for Star Trek, never seen in any movie or series, but it would be copyright Paramount. This has actually happened with Star Wars, a guy made some original pieces of work, and ILM used them without his permission. They could because they owned them.

Copyright law is the worst sin against mankind.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:52 AM

DERANGEDMILK

Quote:
Originally posted by TenthCrewMember:

Additionally, I am not going to watch FOX anymore. I love Bones and the Simpsons, but I love Firefly more. Sorry FOX, but you are dangerously close to the last straw where this fan is concerned (whom, along with many others, you would have NO marketability for your show without me

I've already stopped. I wasn't big fan since they shared their name with the ministry of information but after Firefly I said the hell with 'em.

To bad for bluesunshirts.com though. I actually just got the "Slim's Used Spacecraft Sales" from them about a week ago. Maybe I should go pick up that Fighting Elves t-shirt if in two weeks I won't be able to.
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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:34 AM

I just ordered a Troublemaker Shirt, I hope I get it! Their Fighting Elves 28 shirt is top grade, let me tell you!

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:21 AM

SHADOWLEOPARD

So....

Am I the only one who sees that this might actually be a good thing?

Why, oh why would FOX want to protect an old franchise suddenly?

Maybe because things are moving?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:02 AM

XITWOUND117

Quote:
Originally posted by ShadowLeopard:
So....

Am I the only one who sees that this might actually be a good thing?

Why, oh why would FOX want to protect an old franchise suddenly?

Maybe because things are moving?

Its a fool's hope. First of all, Joss has said he will never work with Fox again. Secondly, why would they pick it up now? A year after the buzz about Serenity died away is not exactly prime timing.

Fox is most likely just being a dick. If they do resurrect Firefly, I'll forgive them for everything. But they won't.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:02 AM

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

MY GOD I REALLY HATE

FUX! Screw 'em I just bought a fighting elves shirt. I hope Alex is going to fight them... doubt if he'd win against those

but I hope he tries. Hell I'd even donate money towards his legal fees.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:12 AM

STORYMARK

While it does suck, I'm really surprised it took this long. Free advertising or not, no corporation is going to let people sell merchandise they legally have the rights to, without getting any money for it.

I know people here love tobash Fox, I'm not above it myself, but try to remember they're not doing it to actively hurt Firefly fans. They are a business, and they do things that make business sense. If someone were selling Strange Luck or Dark Angel bootleg shirts, you can bet Fox would be on them, too. For that matter, try selling some bootleg Serenity shirts, and I'm sure Universal will come knocking pretty quick.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:14 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Whimsicalnbrainpan:
MY GOD I REALLY HATE FUX! Screw 'em I just bought a fighting elves shirt. I hope Alex is going to fight them... doubt if he'd win against those but I hope he tries. Hell I'd even donate money towards his legal fees.

That'd be a waste of your money, and his time. He won't win. The law is pretty clear-cut here. As much as we may appreciate what Alex is doing, legally, he's in the wrong.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:19 AM

BWARE42

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
As a show of support, I just placed an order with bluesunshirts.com.

I just did the same thing! :D

I bought a Blue Sun and Fighting Elves tee a year or so ago, and they are awesome!!! Get them afore they're gone!!!

Time for some thrilling heroics.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:20 AM

WHOISRIVER

Quote:

Maybe because things are moving?

'afraid not. It's because a company has licensed (paid) for the tshirt rights for Firefly from 20th Century Fox.

Including the Blue Sun logo.

You can buy the official Tshirts here:

http://stylinonline.stores.yahoo.net/tsserenitybluesun.html

Because a company has paid for the license, and fans are selling the tshirts without paying AND profiting from it, it's sprung Fox's legal department into action.

Edit: Actually, I've just noticed they have the license from Universal, not FOX, so god knows why FOX are trying to enforce things. Pretty wacky.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:44 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:

Edit: Actually, I've just noticed they have the license from Universal, not FOX, so god knows why FOX are trying to enforce things. Pretty wacky.

They also have a Firefly shirt: http://stylinonline.stores.yahoo.net/tsfireflylogobrown.html

Which I assume had to be licenced from Fox.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:00 AM

HUGHFF

http://stylinonline.stores.yahoo.net/firefly.html
Is a whole bunch of Firefly stuff. I hate to say it but if you produce licenced stuff without a licence, you can't really complain about a letter like this.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:08 AM

AGENTRUSCO

This makes me undyingly sad. Fans are fans man. I have a fighting elves shirt from bluesunshirts.com. It is the best thing ever. I highly encourage everyone to freaking buy his stuff. At least if he does get stupidly shut down, it'd be with a bang and a huge show of support.

At the same time though, I understand the reasoning behind a network wanting to be the sole gainer of profit. But, well, we all know where FOX stands in that. They're the ones who shut it down in the first place. It's not as if they get no money from other things.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:21 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
The Blue Sun shirts on bluesunshirts.com did not appear on Firefly, did they?

The Blue Sun logo with the correct usage characters appeared in "The Message," and maybe elsewhere.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:25 AM

LEIASKY

It's very strange that Fox is getting involved at this point.

Corporations (and I work for one IN the licensening department) only tend to go after their big Properties on their own.

Huge companies like Fox only send C&D's for smaller Properties like Firefly if one of their licensees has complained that the sale of similar items is infringing on their agreement.

If Fox/Universal continue to sign licenses for this Property, there is something to be said about Firefly/Serenity being viable.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:19 PM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

Corporate America is wacky. I once got a cease and decist order from the got milk? people over my GOT MUDDERS MILK? design. Effectively, their argument was, even though my image looked NOTHING like theirs, because I had the words "got" and "milk" in it, they we're flexing their corporate muscles. I couldn't even put "got a big thing of liquidy stuff some folk think is milk?" using any font, because in their mind "got" and "milk" are in it and they know I don't have the money to fight it.

It is how it is.

Still, I thought FOX released the Blue Sun image to public domain in order to encourage fans to promote the show on their own site? http://www.fireflyfans.net/firefly/features.htm
When did they copyright it? and I guess they own the copyright on horses, stars, water, cacti, dirt, and chopsticks too...

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:00 PM

MIRACULOUSBUMM

Gorramit. This is retarded. Sure it's legal, but it sure as hell ain't moral. (subliminal reference to "Heart of Gold") Gorram F*x!

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:25 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD

Unless FOX has plans on releasing a bunch of high quality, screen accurate Jayne shirts (which I doubt), then this news is quite lame.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:07 PM

TERRI

See, this is the thing that bothers me. F*x only offers limited Firefly merchandise, and then bugs out when other people put thier stuff up. And yes, well, it's not techinically legal, but it's fandom. We cannot buckle in to this. The more cash cow Fox sees Firefly is, the less willing they will be to let the franchise go, and we can get on with our lives. I don't see what we can do other then try to buy less official Firefly stuff. It's getting to the point where F*X can smell blood in the water and either they're going to sell it soon, or they're never going to.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:54 PM

SINGATE

It would really be a shame if this whole thing forced Browncoats to go underground in order to peddle their wares. Some people might construe this sort of thing as illegal and that just wouldn't be in the Browncoat spirit. I sincerely hope I am not planting any unethical ideas into some disgruntled merchant's mind.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:42 AM

HISGOODGIRL

Just a gal out on the rim writing tales.

We're with you, PaganPaul. Bigbadman and I just ordered shirts from bluesunshirts.com as a show of solidarity.

Way back before We ever found commercially made Blue Sun shirts, I made one from scratch using blue acrylic paint and an old tan t-shirt. So is Fox gonna come after me, too? (Better not. Us Browncoats got guns!)

Keep Flyin'!

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:52 AM

PAGANPAUL

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
It would really be a shame if this whole thing forced Browncoats to go underground.

Hmmm... Sounds like the Alliance wants us Independants to lay down arms and just roll over and play dead.

AINT... GONNA... HAPPEN!

That's what makes us Browncoats!

Quote:
Originally posted by singate:
We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

Isn't this quote from The Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft? I love that story, and the 2005 B&W silent movie filmed in "Mythoscope" by the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society was killer! Have you seen it?

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:58 PM

INDIANABANZAI

Just ordered a Slim's shirt. Always planned on getting one, now's as good a time as any I suppose.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:05 PM

SINGATE

Quote:
Originally posted by PaganPaul:
[Isn't this quote from The Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft? I love that story, and the 2005 B&W silent movie filmed in "Mythoscope" by the H.P. Lovecraft Historical Society was killer! Have you seen it?

Indeed it is, good eye! Not enough Lovecraft fans around if you ask me. No, I haven't seen that particular movie. Unfortunately most the film adaptations I have seen are pretty bad.

Oh, and my previous post was meant to be a bit sarcastic. I mean, no Browncoat would ever do anything even remotely unlawful.

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Friday, September 22, 2006 6:37 AM

BLACKOUTNIGHTS

I also am going to quit watching FOX television and going to any movies they distribute or are involved in. I love "24", but I don't think the execs up top have anything in mind but the bottom line. Business is about responsible service as well as money.

However, I might tune in for a few minutes every now and then to catch some commercials and write their advertisers of why I'm not going to be purchasing their products anymore.

When the positive approach doesn't work, it's time to hit the polar opposite.

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Friday, September 22, 2006 7:45 AM

WOLFEN68

I see that a "Browncoat" shirt is one of the licensed "official merchandise" T-Shirts available. Does that mean the term "Browncoat" is included in this action?

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Friday, September 22, 2006 7:58 AM

SPACELIPS

Although it comes off as being petty. They not only have the right to protect their copyrights, they have a legal obligation to those that have secured a license. As fans we have to start realising we are not entitled to another's labor.

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Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:33 AM

HEROUVCANTON

I already have a few of Alex's shirts. Have the fighting elves and the BlueSun shirts. Just ordered replacements for those and a couple more. He needs to know we appreciate his Browncoat work ethic and craftsmanship! Let's get these while we can (and our $ won't go to Fox!!)

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Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:09 PM

DHOFFRYNN

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Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:39 PM

CITIZEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Spacelips:
Although it comes off as being petty. They not only have the right to protect their copyrights, they have a legal obligation to those that have secured a license. As fans we have to start realising we are not entitled to another's labor.

Strange, since copyright law was originally used to profit from other peoples labour...

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Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:25 PM

ANTISTRUCTURE

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Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:25 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

It is sad to see such a great site and a great browncoat brought low by Fox. Alex's shirts were a big help in promoting the show and then the movie.

Guess we will have to go to other less visible sights to get our FF shirts.

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Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:42 AM

HANS

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

I know people here love tobash Fox, I'm not above it myself, but try to remember they're not doing it to actively hurt Firefly fans. They are a business, and they do things that make business sense. If someone were selling Strange Luck or Dark Angel bootleg shirts, you can bet Fox would be on them, too. For that matter, try selling some bootleg Serenity shirts, and I'm sure Universal will come knocking pretty quick.

Quoted for truth. The unfortunate fact is, if it comes to the attention of Fox that someone is using their copyrighted images for profit, they have to act on it. If they let someone get away with it, they are implicitly giving permission for others to do the same, and that gets them in a whole lot of trouble. They might not be able to defend their copyright in the future because a precendent has been set.

I'm not saying I'm pleased when I see lawyers going after the little guys, and I would like to see Fox actually use the copyright themselves: at least to sell their own t-shirts, if not to make a new series. The only thing the little guys can hope for is to remain small enough that you are below the lawyer's radar. It's just too bad that bluesunshirts came under their icy gaze...

I also see a difference between Fox going after someone making money, and Fox going after nonprofit fan sites or fan products. If they were sending cease and desist letters to fanfic writers, I'd be furious. However, the folks at bluesunshirts are charging money for their product, and I'm sure they are not sending a portion of their profits to Fox. I don't feel all that sorry for them.

(Which is not to imply that they are the villians in this story - I doubt they were getting rich selling Blue Sun shirts.)

Copyright law exists for a reason. Firefly would never have been made if Fox had not been willing to pay for it. There's no doubt that they treated the show poorly, but that doesn't change the fact that they "own" it.

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Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:37 PM

INDEPENDENTBROWNCOAT

While the legalese about the "C&D" is certainly true...it still certainly sux bigtime!

I'm new to Firefly (yeah, what can I say??) saw how much enjoyment Browncoats were having at DragonCon...bought the series, the movie, now my 16 yr old son and I love it!!

I'm doing a Browncoat, Mal's pistol, holster, etc. Jayne's LeMat (all metal)Working on his outfit as well.
My boy will be doing a Browncoat also.
got a Blue Sun tshirt last week (great service!) just ordered a Fighting Elves and Blue Sun black bb cap to show support.

I'm Bountys Hunted on the RPF-

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Gotta love Jayne's LeMat- Or, how I've named it-
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Can't get enough Firefly props!!

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Friday, September 29, 2006 2:26 AM

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Could you please just make it stranger? Stranger. Odder. Could be weirder. More bizarre. How about uncanny?

I'm wondering if, because actual licensed "Blue Sun shirts" exist now, that FOX simply went to buy up all the .com/.org/.everything as companies are doing nowadays and BlueSunShirts.com, of course, came up as owned by someone else. I reckon that if his site had been called BSShirts or BleuSolShirts, or something more subtle or less significant, he may have never even made the radar. I think the name got him busted moreso than the products he sells. A shame nonetheless.

Just food for thought.

Keep Flyin'!

BWAH!

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Friday, September 29, 2006 2:55 AM

CALLMESERENITY

It is a shame! Whenever a new Browncoat came around looking for merchandise, the first place you'd send them was bluesunshirts.com.

I just ordered a couple shirts.

We'll miss your site, Alex! Stay shiny and don't let FOX get you down.

Serenity,
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Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:09 PM

DARKJESTER

I have two of Alex's shirts from over a year ago, and they are holding up fantastically! I just ordered a black Blue Sun shirt and a Troublemaker shirt. Sorry to hear about the crackdown.

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JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:18 PM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE

Okay, I just have to add that if Fox wanted to make money off of Firefly/Serenity stuff, then they shouldn't have cancelled it!!!!!! That's all there is to it...they got rid of it 'cause they didn't want it, so they shouldn't be able to just change their mind! Anyways, do they really own the copyrights to it? I thought that Universal or someone got 'em.

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Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

As I've posted several times before.... FOX is the cure for happiness.

After buying seasons 1 and 2 of Arrested Development, they didn't even give the 3rd season a chance (even though they brought in Oscar Winner Charlize Theron and Scott Baio). They ran it against impossibly tough competiton (American Idol, if I'm not mistaken) and then blitzed all of the remaining episodes on one night to make room for Prison Break the next week.

If FOX is going to make more episodes of Firefly then by all means cause some

about it, but if not then FOX can go to hell.

It's time to shit or get off the pot FOX!

Edit: I didn't see any feds raiding the local flea markets when the illegals were selling bootleg Chicago Bulls Championship shirts and hats back when I was a kid. Like gun ownership in America, the only people that are ever penalized are the law abiding, tax paying citizens.

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Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I just bought a shirt off of bluesunshirts.com. I never paid for my copy of Firefly as it was a gift so now I've given more to the Browncoats than I have to the Alliance.... AHEM... I mean FOX. I will continue to burn copies of Firefly for anyone who wants them* and I encourage everyone to do the same.

* I burn for people I know personally, please, don't ask me if I only know you online. No offence... but you could be a FED. Besides... you can just download BitLord and use it to download the show from mininova.org or torrentspy.com or one of the other fine establishments that fight injustices like what we're witnissing here.

THEY CANNOT COPYRIGHT INNOVATION AND CREATIVITY!

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