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That bunny with a pancake on it's head brings up so many questions for me.
1- Why would you make a pancake for the purpose of putting it on a bunny's head?
2-Why isn't the bunny trying to eat the pancake?
3- What purpose does the pancake serve?
4-Does it make the bunny happy?
5-Does the bunny know what a pancake is?
6-Would the bunny be embarrassed if it knew of the picture?
7-Why didn't they use butter and syrup?
8-Would it be hard to get syrup off a bunny?
9-What if you had a dog to lick the syrup off the bunny, would that make the bunny too appealing and cause the dog to eat the bunny?
10-Why not a waffle?
11- Are they implying the bunny is a food item?
12-Why not a gerbil?

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"Whitefall: YAH, CK IS HERE!!!

And CK, may I just say, don't waste your time reading the rest of it. It's utter drivel. The entire thing is complete , and reminds me why I'm a feminist: because no matter how slightly over the top I might be in the feminism, no matter how neurotic and repressive I might be, its all justified by keeping away from people like the author of that page.

Do I agree that sex may be an unavoidable biological factor in males when it comes to relationships? Yes. But do I think that males can really be happy with just a good sex life? Absolutely not.

That "theory" is essentially a description of why the divorce rate (in general. dont think I mean my folks, this thing has nothing on them) in this country is so high. If people actually think that way.... let me come full circle by saying i'm glad i'm a feminist."

"CaliforniaKaylee: Omg. Ok, I've been so busy the past few weeks that I haven't had a chance to do anything more than lurk here once or twice a day, and yet this has me taking the time to actually login and post.

So before I run off again, let me say this: I have a hard time taking any "theory" seriously that has so many glaring spelling and grammar mistakes. This is from the "Deconstructing the Woman's Pie Chart" page:

I can't even continue to read that drivel. "Phyical"? "Factor's"? I'm sorry, but I can't take anyone who doesn't know the difference between "factor's" and "factors" seriously, no matter how much supposed sociology the theory is based on.

To the rest of it (not that I have any intention of reading any more than I already have), as a married woman whose entire social group is made up of guys who almost certainly want to sleep with me (I'm not being narcissistic, it's just part of being in an industry that is less than 10% female), I call BS on the whole thing. I'm not a bitch for not wanting to sleep with them, I'm married. I'm not a bitch for wanting to talk to them but not sleep with them, I'm interested in talking to other professionals in my field. And I married a guy who fulfills my intellectual needs, thank you very much.

I have a really hard time making friends with women, so the vast majority of my friends are male. Once I can get past the "yes I know you think I'm hot, but you are friends with my husband and work in the same industry as both he and I, so can we just talk as peers?" hump, things go much more smoothly and I'm able to actually be friends with these guys. I'm the only woman invited out for "beers with the guys", I'm the only woman that they'll bitch (yes, men can bitch up a storm) about their wives/girlfriends around, and I'm one of only two or three women who they'll talk business with. I happen to like that, so I go through the excruciating process of getting past the "drool" phase with every new guy I meet. I've found it's worth it.

I also take issue with the idea that "99.999% of women are bitches", as the Ladder "Theory" claims. Maybe 90% of single, late-20s-early-30s women are bitches, but even that seems high. I don't know, I got married before I turned 22, and like I said, I have trouble making friends with women. But what do you call a guy who's engaged to a woman, but talks about how little they have sex and how fat her butt has gotten behind her back, who checks out other women in bars, and who regularly goes to strip clubs? And women are "bitches" because they want to talk with dweeby guys but not sleep with them? Get a life, Ladder Boy (the guy who made the webpage, not you Chris).

~CK, running late and rushing off again."

"MSG: OK so we all agree the "ladder" guy has some serious misogynistic tendancies and need couseling immediately:)"

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Me: Well I certainly don't agree with that!

The only "conclusion" that I see reached is one of two:

1) A couple people on this thread have attained the ideal of how people are expected/claim to feel and function to qualify as being "good" or decent. Conversely, I'm just a peice of shit who refuses to beleive in goodness.

2) I'm the only one being honest with themselves, and everyone else is saying the usual BS to act more "mature" than they actually are.

I'm not going to claim either one to be true. Suffice to say, I REALLY wanted to meet that stereotype and be a "decent" person for a long time, but I'm willing to admit that after a series of letdowns that I just found it to be unrealistic. So my opinion on this matter is that many of you are just not being honest with yourselves.

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CaliforniaKaylee: Right, like Tristian has nothing better to do than sit around hatching schemes to make everyone hate you. Puh-lease.

You have just passed the troll line in my book, and I wasn't even here for the previous incident (which can't be all that ancient of history, I haven't been gone that long!).

One last thing before I add you to my virtual Ignore List: The issue that I personally have with the Ladder Theory (beyond the spelling and grammar, yeesh) is that it leaves no choice for women. We can either sleep with every guy who propositions us, or we can be bitches. Do I think most single women rate guys based on their own set of criteria, which may or may not mirror the pie charts on the Ladder site? Yes. Do I think most women have a problem communicating to a guy that she isn't interested in sleeping with him? Yes. Do I think that makes a woman evil, or a bitch? NO! It's just the way things are, like guys not calling as soon after a date as a woman might like. It's not evil, it's not angelic, it just is.

/Ignore

So, Imponderables, I probably still won't be around much, but what's happening?

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Me: Ancient history or not, she still brought it up in the first place. The long and short of it is, if she hadn't made her little statements about me being a "troll" from another thread up, we wouldn't even be talking about it now.

I really don't see how this isn't translating to any of you. I don't recall being on anyone's shit list until she spoke up. Now you all hate me? Is that not sufficient evidence in itself?

And please, if by chance anyone was inclined to, don't patronize me with "we don't hate you" responses. I'm not looking for pity here, I'm legitimately wondering how no one else seems to be able to perceive what's happening.

Also, Tristran, this isn't about me having "changed". I haven't changed because there was no need to. I still stand by my statements I made on that thread, and if you're legitimately interested in staying away from that area, I'll be happy to not say them again. However, I do not conceed any single point of it. I spoke on what I've seen, and there's no reason to apologize for that.

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