Male and Female Imponderables- All stars by msg

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I declare myself... FIRST!

NVGhostRider would have been but he's on the last thread.

EDIT: Makeup is great to look at, I agree, but in the throes of passion the taste...I find that people who are pretty in makeup are also pretty without. If they not pretty, makeup may help but there's no hope for some.

As to facial hair, neat and trimmed is dandy. Nothing wrong with A hillbilly biker look per se, but we're talking about attractiveness, not making statements. Mine tends toward the lazy like NVG but without the ethnic advantage. I've been moustachioed for as long as I could be; a goatee comes and goes and scuff stays around beyond its welcome more time than not.

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:40 AM

Moved from previous thread:

Good Morning everyone. Thursday is upon us. Oh Boy.

Makeup, sure. But I really hate getting it all over my clothes when really close.

Facial hair, okay. I'm lazy and don't grow facial hair so fast. One of the perks of my ethnicity.

ADD: All you Fast like freak peeps (cough, PR, cough) are a little too quick for me.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:40 AM

and I crown you with the crown of firstiness and arm you so that you may defend your title PR

Now we were pondering Men, do you like make-up or no make-up and women facial hair or no facial hair?

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:42 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Nope, cuz I still posted before he did!
Anyway, I prefer no facial hair myself. And probably no makeup, too. Never having gotten to really date a woman, I don't know for sure and certain, but I do know that lipstick feels funny.

http://www.bigdamnthankyou.com - show 'Versal your gratitude!

A good friend who points out mistakes and imperfections and rebukes evil is to be respected as if he reveals a secret of hidden treasure. - Gautama Siddharta

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:43 AM

KELKHIL

Make up or no. I am not a big fan of Make Up. I think that a lot of people who wear it over-do it. Makes them look fake.

Facial hair - the Wifey hates it. Complains when I don't shave. So every once in a while I grow some to drive her nuts.

Good fun there. I just tell her she got out voted because my daughter loves it when I have facial hair and complains when I shave.

The kicker about it is when I do shave it normally takes me mentioning it for the Wifey to notice it is gone. Yet my Daughter notices it the second I walk out of the bathroom. Doesn't bode well for the Wifey's case.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:48 AM

I always wanted to grow a Fu-Manchu and dye it blue. Sounds kinda wierd, but I really wanted one.
Stupid ethnicity, robbing me of my dream.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:48 AM

I asked this of guys because Maxim magazine in combination with Glamour put up 3 pictures of the same model with varying degrees of make- up. All the guys in the survey had said they like girls without make-up and all three pictures had fairly subtle make-up, but what was funny is that 40% of the men didn't realize it was the same model ( no mak-up tricks used just more or less make-up) and 80% of the men picked the model with the most make-up as the most attractive. The point of the study was to show that most guys don't recognize subtle make-up as a woman wearing make-up. They only see it as make-up when it's visible blush, high color lipstick, and colored eye shadow and eyeliner.

They also did a facial hair study and even though most women said they didn't like facial hair, they actually rated the model ( again 3 pics same model various degrees of facial hair) with moderate facial hair as most attractive.

So I just sort of wondered what we thought of this:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:51 AM

Well f*^$eth me. Looks like there is yet another curse of ethnicity.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:51 AM

KELKHIL

I had one for a little while. Only about an inch off the chin. Drove the Wifey crazy. Almost as bad as when I grew the under the lip patch thingy recently. Man she hated that!

Daughter loved it. She would come up and tug on them and just laugh.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:52 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Okay, everybody just quit posting for a frakin' minute. I can't keep up with the edits on my first post!!

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:57 AM

MAVOURNEEN

I don't like beards; have grown accustomed to mustaches.
Husband grows a beard in the winter and calls it his Winter Foliage. I think it just makes him look older than he is - it has a lot of gray in it. When he sees it this year, he may change his mind and shave it off...but not if he sees this post! He'll keep it just to spite me!

I don't wear a lot of makeup, but used to work with a group that got "done up" every day. I like the way I look with a little makeup, but no way would anyone call me "Tammy Faye"

NV- I knew a guy in college that is Arapaho (Kansas, I think) and he had lots of stubble all of the time. I remember this because he used to joke his "Indian" name is "5 O'clock Shadow."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:10 AM

LOL- 5 o'clock shadow...so what's his dad's name ? He who has facial hair?

I don't wear much myself, but if I don't have blush and a nice lipstick I get a ton of " are you ok?" " You look kind of sick" comments due to my very pale skin and dark hair. Without make-up it's a bot Morticia Addams

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:13 AM

Hi all! I posted on the last page but I think it got moved before the post went through. Newbie here...hope it's okay if I chime in!

For me, facial hair depends on the man and on what kind of facial hair. I like neatly trimmed beards or goatees, but I'm not a fan of just a mustache (unless you're Edward James Olmos!) but that's probably because my dad always had one and I don't like my dad.

For make up, I don't know. I personally wear make up everyday, but it's not a lot. Just some eyeliner and gloss. But I do get very lazy and frequently skip it altogether. I don't know if guys like me better with or without. No one's ever said...

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:16 AM

But she is so gorram hot. Just remember getting all funny feeling in my gut when seeing her.

Okay, I got this lump in my throat that ain't goin' away. I don't know if it's nerves or what, but I can't get rid of it.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:18 AM

NV-Ok breathe in and out and try not to think of the testosterone coursing through your body... So has she called you at all or are you just bumping into her? and I feel compelled to mention she's probably feeling the same thing. Have to say we're I single and in her place, right now I'd be sitting in my office all flustered from contact with you:)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:21 AM

Quick ponderable. Maybe not so quick now that I think about it.

So what is up with the theroy of women seeking their fathers and men seeking their mothers? I ask this because I've had many female clients mention that they wish I were their dad.

Knowing myself I feel sorry for them. I can be bossy, neglectful, impartial, and a downright A-hole from time to time. And what kind of childhood did a woman who seeks me out have?

I know there a many factors involved, but I needed to ramble on senselessly to keep my mind off the day.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:24 AM

NV- um everybody has negaive moments. It's the assholes you have to watch out for ( see below) you're a really good catch. You care and you've learned about yourself so you don't repeat bad patterns
As for seeking out father and mother figures...hey we all do something to make up for what we didn't get as kids. Some of us buy ourselves stuff because we were poor, some try to seem perfect to hide how imperfect they have always felt, and some seek out approval and security they missed out on from parents.

Hi Rivertwin we're glad to have you here. Jump right in...oh and scary story about your friend( previous thread) that's why I mention the rules. I don't think most women understand the stats
1 in 4 women will be raped in their lifetime
1 in 3 women will be abused
The leading cause of death among pregnant women is HOMICIDE.
Ladies be careful out there....
and guys you be careful too...I just don't know your statistics ( sorry I can find out though)

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:25 AM

ZEEK

Make up...well I like both options. When a girl is make up free I just feel like it means she's comfortable not putting on appearances and that's hot. Then again getting all gussied up for me is hot too. So I can go either way. What can I say, I'm easy to please. That is as long as the girl is perfect in everyway and has already passed my rigirous standards

As for facial hair. Well I don't know what women like but I shave every day. I haven't ever really thought of growing it out cause I just don't understand how I'd maintain it. If a girl wanted to see me grow it out I'd be happy to give it a shot once.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:32 AM

*hugs* Lump in the throat is normal when you feel as strongly as you do. Don't let this lady upset you though! Ain't no girl in the 'verse worth that.

I'm not a fan of facial hair. I had a boyfriend who decided to keep some stubble for a day or two. It looked kinda nice on him, but unfortunately after a night of kissing I had a face that looked like it had been rubbed with sandpaper. Not fun!

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:32 AM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
So what is up with the theroy of women seeking their fathers and men seeking their mothers? I ask this because I've had many female clients mention that they wish I were their dad.

Don't ask me, but I guess I sorta fit the mold. My mom is a skinny, semi-tall, redheaded, strong, self-reliant woman. I've always said redheads are the hottest of all headed women (I bet they're hotter than beheaded women too...luckily I've never met any of them though). I also tend to go for skinnier women. Though I'm also fairly skinny and I'd rather not have a girl who could crush me. Also, women who are totally dependant on a man turn me off like nobody's business. So, I guess I do look for a woman who's a lot like my mom. I don't think it's that strange though. I mean when you grow up admiring your parents then you want to find someone like them and you strive to be like them.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:40 AM

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Originally posted by rivertwin:
Hi all! I posted on the last page but I think it got moved before the post went through. Newbie here...hope it's okay if I chime in!

For me, facial hair depends on the man and on what kind of facial hair. I like neatly trimmed beards or goatees, but I'm not a fan of just a mustache (unless you're Edward James Olmos!) but that's probably because my dad always had one and I don't like my dad.

For make up, I don't know. I personally wear make up everyday, but it's not a lot. Just some eyeliner and gloss. But I do get very lazy and frequently skip it altogether. I don't know if guys like me better with or without. No one's ever said...

Welcome, Rivertwin!

Of course it's okay to chime in! We love new faces here

I'm with you on the make up thing. I tend to wear just a little, and make it as natural looking as possible. I also tend to skip it during the summer, as a melty face is nobody's friend.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:43 AM

Oh I forgot to mention MisterG has a goatee and I hated it when he shaved it off. It makes him looked wicked and hot!

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:45 AM

Hmmm, I think I kind of break the mold for daughters seeking their fathers. I do tend to like men who are quite a bit older than me, but I'm perfectly happy with the right guy in my own age bracket.

But as for physical attributes, I like tall men who are laid back. Oh, and faithful. I like that part. My dad's short (I'm taller than he is although he says he's the same height as me) and he's an ass who's so tightly wound up he's about to disappear into another dimension.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:50 AM

Rivertwin- people like that always give me the urge to poke them just to see if they'll freak out...

See that's my biggest personality problem. I have inappropriate impulses.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:53 AM

BWAAAHAHA!!! *huggles msg* I got roped into going to FL to see him at Thanksgiving--I'll have to try that and see what happens.

And I, too, have some totally inapproriate impulses. Makes life amusing when people are on edge because they never know what you're going to say or do.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:55 AM

WARNING!!! This post contains strong language!

This Be The Verse

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

--Philip Larkin

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:56 AM

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Originally posted by rivertwin:
Makes life amusing when people are on edge because they never know what you're going to say or do.

Ha! You really are River's twin!

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:59 AM

MAGDALENA

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

LOL! I could imagine MisterG with a goatee for some reason sweet MsG!! YOu scared me with those statistics though - I don't think they aply for Australia though... and I know they're worse in South Africa...

I wear a little make up on the right occassion... I don't wear a tonne and since I am a nanny I don't ever bother for work - though when I teach album making classes I do wear a little for proffessionalism.

I prefer a man to be clean shaven - though a goatee looks hot on some men... It is a man to man thing I guess...

Oh poor NVG *hugs* you're really flustered aren't you? Well, you remember that MsG & I are here to bap anyone who takes advantage of that... and to listen if you need a willing ear... and I don't know why they would want you to be their father... hell father isn't what I'd be thinking!!!

Welcome & thank you for posting Rivertwin we love fresh new ponderers and you are part of the team now!

Hi DTH!! You posted that poem while I was posting too - see it always gets interesting in here when I have to go to bed!!

Sorry but I've got to love you and leave you all - tis almost 3am - so good night my darlin's! Magda x x x

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:03 AM

G'night Magda

We'll miss your cheerfulness and wisdom. Come back soon!

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:04 AM

I scared one of the participants when I worked at the local Ren Faire one year. She had tried to put on her bodice by herself and she was...crooked. So I reached right in and fixed the girls. I suppose I should have asked first.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:15 AM

Good Night Mags. As for the client thing. Most of them never had real fathers. They were stuck with whoever they had and who ever their mothers brought around. In many cases those men ended up as sexual offenders and usually with the clients mentioned. I guess they could see me as stable and caring. And a few of them really liked the fact that I wouldn't let 'em get away from much. Metaphorically speaking I think I'll work my kids hard, beat them often, and spoil them every chance I'll have. I got alot of the first two growing up, and occasionally got spoiled.

So, for the married with kids folks out there, what is it like to try balancing kids and marriage and romance? I know its gotta be different for most, but I'm just real curious of the whole thing.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:15 AM

Rivertwin - Did you know her, or was she a stranger?

NVG - sounds like you've been able to bring some stability to some very troubled women.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:17 AM

DTH--Well, I kind of knew her. She was part of our madrigal group and we hadn't known each other very long, but she wasn't just some random stranger. Mostly she was just startled because I don't really look like the kind of person who will just do something like that. After I fixed her bodice she was like, "no wonder it was uncomfortable."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:27 AM

Well, it's good that you knew her! I can see how it would catch someone off guard, but it did the job. My friends would probably have dropped hints and told me to adjust it while refusing to touch me because "that would be weird."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:28 AM

NV- at least you're there for them..we don't have kids yet, but as soon as I do I'll let you know how it works...Unless I've gone mental from lack of sleep and pass out covered in baby spit:)

Rivertwin- I would have laughed, but some people have personal space problems.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:41 AM

MSG--yeah, I do actually try to watch the personal space bit since I generally have a personal space the size of Earth's orbit.

But she was cool and is one of those people with zero personal space, so I knew she wouldn't care. LOL.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:02 AM

Quick note. Ms Incredible called her sons grandma and he will be staying with her this weekend. Answered my hello with "Its your most favorite person."
Pretty radical assumption.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:09 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

So many posts so little time

What? I go to lunch and miss Maggie again??

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostrider:
I always wanted to grow a Fu-Manchu and dye it blue. Sounds kinda wierd, but I really wanted one.
Stupid ethnicity, robbing me of my dream.

It's not blue, but here ya go, NVG:

Older me with facial hair:

Quote:
Originally posted by MsG:
The leading cause of death among pregnant women is HOMICIDE.
Ladies be careful out there....
and guys you be careful too...I just don't know your statistics ( sorry I can find out though)

Don't know about the rest, but the leading cause of death among pregnant men is non-existent.

Alright, alright. Don't flame me. Not funny, but you know the difference between the fear response and the laughter response in chimps is almost non-existent.

Actually I just want to send a shout out (is that phrase still popular?) to NVG. We tend to go on and on about MsG (and rightly so), but I just want to say thanks for caring enough to do what you do, too.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverTwin:
I scared one of the participants when I worked at the local Ren Faire one year. She had tried to put on her bodice by herself and she was...crooked. So I reached right in and fixed the girls. I suppose I should have asked first.

Hi RiverTwin! Welcome aboard!

Always ask first! I did that to someone I didn't know once and my cheek still hurts. Well, okay maybe they weren't maladjusted, but it looked like they needed a hand. Glad MsG wouldn't mind; I'll keep an eye out for ya in "that" sweater.

Quote:
Originally posted by NVGhostrider:
Answered my hello with "Its your most favorite person."
Pretty radical assumption.

Radical maybe, but is it true?

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:09 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD

Oooh, facial hair?

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This was my very first beard at around 16 years old. Proud Scottish whiskers they are.

After my dad forced me to shave it for a court date, I grew some back a little more stylized. This is me at 17 with a goatee.

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As soon as I was 18 I enlisted, so there's a good while without me having any facial hair. This is me at 21, after I was medically discharged, subsequent to surgery. If I look drugged, it's because I am.

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I personally beleive that beards are one of the few exclusively manly things left in this country. I like them and I don't understand how they went out of style. In the military, shaving became required when airborne gases started being used on the battlefield. In order for a gas mask to form an airtight seal againt the skin, you can't have any hair between the skin and rubber. That's a pragmatic reason. How did it end up spreading to become a sign of "profesionalism" and crap?

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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:20 AM

So many reasons for the facial hair passed through the ages. From Taliban to Amish. I know they are recognized as reilgious sects, but the facial hair always had some sort of social significance also. I really wanted to comment on the change in your face in only a few years. Time seems to speed up for some folks in various situations. Hope its slowed a bit to allow for more livin'.

That and I'm really jealous of the gnarly beard at 16.

JQ- I love the pics and thanks for the ups. I just hope more kids get the chance to take a step up like many of the clients I've handled have. They all can't go on to productive lives, but I'm still glad to have known all of them. Even the knuckleheads who love dishin' out grief. Especially them.

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:21 AM

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

My boyfriend has a beard but I don't mind it since he keeps it short. I'm glad he does because I don't like longer beards. I also think he would look weird without it though.

As for makeup, speaking as a woman I do not understand men who are attracted to women who pile it on. I see women like that and think of Tammy Fae Baker. I wear a little mascara and some powder to keep the shine off. If I'm going somewhere special I do the lipstick and eyeshadow thing but I like to keep it light. I'm not saying that women who wear full makeup are unatractive just the ones who look like they apply it with a trowel.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:44 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Chimp quiz: Which one is laughing and which one is afraid?

Props when props is due, NVG.

Foods for ponderin':
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/celeb.html

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:50 AM

Have no clue which is doing what. This chimp is hungry. Told all at the pub about dinner (Venison backstrap sliced thin on wheat bread with white corn tortilla chips). Really looking forward to cutting up a roast for stew with fluffy oven bread or Fry bread. MMMM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry_bread

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:01 AM

LOL NV- really you are fantastic and I'm with you ont hat. What is it about the knuckleheads that makes us care so much about them. "cause it's not their winning personality.

CMH- Hey cool history there. I always wondered why you had to have short hair and shave if you were in the military. As for the professional to be shaved thing, I have no clue. It's like the have to wear stockings with a skirt to be professional. Doesn't appear to have any real basis, just some sort of weird social norm...maybe it's 'cause people think guys with beards are shifty or some such...I'm not sure why unclad legs make you less professional either.

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:01 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

This what you were talking about NVG?

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Originally posted by NVGhostRider:
Told all at the pub about dinner (Venison backstrap sliced thin on wheat bread with white corn tortilla chips). Really looking forward to cutting up a roast for stew with fluffy oven bread or Fry bread. MMMM.

We don't have good stuff like that here. Except maybe off-road mom and pop shops that you have to go through Deliverance country to get to. Don't remember Military, um, food that good either. MMMMM...

(Clarification note: I have never been in the Military.)

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:08 AM

Jonny- apparently the website you gave the url for is " obscene and tasteless" which is what my blocker said. As I am at school they have a net nanny blocking software to keep the kids away from inappropriate content. It blocks all personal website and tons of other stuff including ( and this makes me mad) ebay. Sigh

I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:23 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Jonny- apparently the website you gave the url for is " obscene and tasteless" which is what my blocker said. As I am at school they have a net nanny blocking software to keep the kids away from inappropriate content. It blocks all personal website and tons of other stuff including ( and this makes me mad) ebay. Sigh

Um, um, I, um, oh boy.

MsG, no matter what the others may say about me, I'm NOT like that. (well not really. very little. okay, okay. but never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never around you!!)

The site does have some not so good links I'm sure, but not what I posted. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Try this one instead: http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/celebs.htm

"Well, here I am."

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Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:37 AM