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Male and Female Imponderables--Make it Rain

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:20 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD


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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
CMH- Oh so with you on that!! Paris Hilton is a waste of oxygen and I would really pay money for her to go away. But again "celebrities" only have the power we give them. If we stop buying their products, avoid any tabloid with their picture, and ignore anything they promote, they will go away.


I would like to agree with you here, but this country is full of so many very stupid people and others who don't want to focus on their own problems that I don't see celebrities like her going away anytime soon. I agree, they are a waste of oxygen, but I don't think there are enough of us (intelligent, coherently thinking people) to be able to create a successful boycott. If only it were legal to shoot people based on their IQ levels, or annoyance levels, or lack of common sense. *sigh*

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia


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"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be manditory." - Bill Hicks


This actually all ties in with the topic I was discussing with JQ. Consider this: If we did not culturally embrace sex, then these people would not be able to make a living off of it. They would be forced to become productive, or they would die off. Going back to the women's rights portion of this thread, one possible and, in my opinion, probable result is less objectification of females.

A lot of women say that it's "empowering" for them to use sex to get ahead. The problem is that a woman (singular) who empowers herself with it often becomes a symbol (accurate or not) for the "modern woman". So all of a sudden, women who are NOT in positions of power attempt to do the same thing, but because they're not rich and famous, they're just called sluts. Then there's women who reject and resent that type of thinking. These women are generally shit on and take a back seat to other who are willing to put out. There are major ramifications for the entire female gender by embracing sexuality.

Backtracking now, the question would now be (if you agree with me so far) how do we get our culture to stop embracing sexuality? I'll tell you, when I was a child my father encouraged me to treat women respectfully and to turn my head when there was nudity. He didn't have a calender in the garage of Playboy bunnies and he never encouraged or pushed me to be interest in girls. I was almost appalled to find out how many people I knew had been conditioned otherwise, to pull dress tops down when women picked them up, to squeeze breasts, etc. Part of what we can do is to stop training our males to be shitheads because it's funny or cute when they're younger. To admonish them for exploring things that children should not explore and not just shrug it off because "They don't know any better", because they never will know any better with that attitude.

It's interesting that you brought up the idea of a boycott, RIMG. So many Americans these days run off to the government the second something they don't like happens and demand that a law be made in their favor. Certainly, there's plenty of iron-clad conservative groups on my side of the argument that want anything sexual banned outright. But that is just plain wrong. The people of the U.S. were not meant to have their government take care of every little problem they had. It is our duty as a people to raise our OWN standards, to control our OWN conduct. Boycotting is a great form of civilian empowerment, where the people come together on their own and say "No more!". But more important still is how we conduct ourselves in day to day life, and how we teach our children to do the same.

It's fine to damn Paris Hilton in public, but how many Playboys have you bought? (whoever might be reading this). How often do you turn your head to catch one last glimpse of the piece of ass that just walked by? The list goes on. The bottom line is we can and should not rely on a law to be made to stop this wave of aesthetics over intelligence, but we SHOULD rely on ourselves and a higher standard that WE set to stop it. If we try for the rest of our lives and fail, then it was the popular opinion that won out over us, and there is no shame in that. That, too, is what America is about; the desire of the people. But we are Browncoats. We only fight the battles that we know will be hard and nigh impossible. If any of you a truly sincere about wanting the culture to change, I offer you this toast:

Zu gefallenen kameraden.

[IMG]
Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:20 AM

TRISTAN


NVG, love that button!

LA29....what?

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:23 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Finishing an unfinished post, or Beating a Dead Horseman...
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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
People need to stop being wusses about the concept of death. One second you have everyone and their mother saying "I'm not afraid of death", and the next they're all talking about how horrible and unfortunate it is when someone dies. It happens, it's part of the cycle, get on with things. I can accept that sex is an integral part of the cycle, but it's been so trivialized that the original purpose of it has been all but bastardized and forgotten. And you know what happens, when you hold the pro-creative part above death? You make more and worse death. Famine, starvation, disease, crime, all of these things happen when the population gets too high. We need people to be killed, they don't die naturally fast enough, so we need war and death in more controlled conflicts waged by willing participants to prevent worse from happening to everyone.

You've mixed the Four Horsemen around a bit but they're still all present and accounted for and brought friends! Pardon my asking as the memory is bothersome to you for more than one reason, but how is disease or starvation worse that having yourself blown in half? Because it lasts longer? Because of the suffering? Perhaps. Yet there can be honor in adversity? There is no good way to die.

That aside (as it's a weaker argument than I'd care to develop...as to the wusses. You can accept death and at the same time feel a sense of loss. I come from a LOOONNGG line of stoics, and the more you care about someone the more it hurts when they are gone. You argue that we must suck it up and move on; I say we must give them their due and move on. Grief is not a sign of weakness; it is a demonstration of love. (If it's genuine.) Denying our heart is denying our humanity. If that leads you into dispair, you are having reality issues. The "Cycle" cannot be denied. However, if you cease to feel, you cease to "live" in the broader sense; you merely survive.
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JQ - You ever heard of an artist named Frank Frazetta? He does a lot of really cool pictures like that one. I shoulda known it was Conan by the look of his sword.

Been a fan since the 60's. (Yes, I am old, in case you forgot.) His is a remarkable story, besides being a remarkable artist. (In his view, he's basically an athlete that could draw pretty good. Just a few years ago he had a crippling stroke which totalled his drawing hand. He "simply" learned to draw with his other hand and I defy anyone to tell the difference!)
His Conan works are amazing.
http://www.frazettaartgallery.com/ff/index.html


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:40 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


My late Uncle was a huge fan of Frank Frazetta and Sergio Argonnes. I practically grew up with Conan and Groo. I think Frazetta influenced so many contemporary artists that even they have no clue where the influence comes from. That and I think I can blame him for also for my attraction to certain females. Who'd a thunk it.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:50 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
My late Uncle was a huge fan of Frank Frazetta and Sergio Argonnes. I practically grew up with Conan and Groo. I think Frazetta influenced so many contemporary artists that even they have no clue where the influence comes from. That and I think I can blame him for also for my attraction to certain females. Who'd a thunk it.

I never did Groo, although I knew of him. Sergio has a fantastic wit, if you've ever bothered to look at the "Marginals" in an old issue of MAD Magazine. (they might still be there but I don't do Mad anymore either)

At the risk of incurring CMH's wrath, there ain't nothin' like a Frazetta girl!


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:54 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD


WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:00 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


I haven't seen MAD in years, but I remember only because I recognized the art from Groo.

The Frazetta women seemed to have a story, task, goal, a certain reason other than just looking good in a single frame. A complete story in in a moment of the mind.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:05 AM

MSG


CMH- I can honestly promise you I've never bought a playboy:)

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:14 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
CMH- I can honestly promise you I've never bought a playboy:)

Not sure why, but I'm a little disappointed by this news...


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:15 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


*wanders in wearing a white shirt and jeans soaked in hot chocolate*

Go ahead. Ask me how my day went.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:22 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
*wanders in wearing a white shirt and jeans soaked in hot chocolate*

Go ahead. Ask me how my day went.

I don't know, but if you hand me those clothes I'll see what I can wring out of them...



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:22 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
*wanders in wearing a white shirt and jeans soaked in hot chocolate*

Go ahead. Ask me how my day went.

*hands DesktopHippie first prize in the imponderable's wet t-shirt contest*
How'd your day go?

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:23 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
*hands DesktopHippie first prize in the imponderable's wet t-shirt contest*
How'd your day go?

I cede the point to Zeek.


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:26 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


WOBBLY TABLES ARE EVIL!!!! THEY ARE EVIL AND MUST BE PUNISHED!!!

Half an hour before I was due back at work, I decided a massive mug of steaming hot chocolate would be the *perfect* relaxing pick me up before I had to go back to teach a class.

Sooooo very wrong!

The sodding table I chose to sat down at in Starbucks was wobbly. I sat down and the table literally catapulted my hot chocolate at me! ALLLLLLLLLL over my white shirt and blue jeans!!! And it was HOT!!!!



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:30 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Oh, DTH...

*pats her on the back*

What happened? And ignore those two louts above me...

EDIT: You answered as I was typing! Damn that Starbucks! Damn them to Hell!

*CMH, I have bought Playboy. Got a subscription for Husband for Christmas a long time ago. He never read it ( nor the pics ) so we let the subscription lapse. It was a waste of money.


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:31 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Sue the evil empire and share the spoils with the Browncoats. Well, buy some new clothes at the very least.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:33 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


AND PEOPLE LAUGHED!!!! THEY ACTUALLY LAUGHED!!! THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY!!!!

And you know what the staff said??? You know what they said???? THEY OFFERED TO BRING ME ANOTHER HOT CHOCOLATE!!!!

I'm not kidding! An entire mug of the stuff all over my clothes AND THEY OFFER TO BRING ME ANOTHER!!!!





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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:34 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
WOBBLY TABLES ARE EVIL!!!! THEY ARE EVIL AND MUST BE PUNISHED!!!

Half an hour before I was due back at work, I decided a massive mug of steaming hot chocolate would be the *perfect* relaxing pick me up before I had to go back to teach a class.

Sooooo very wrong!

The sodding table I chose to sat down at in Starbucks was wobbly. I sat down and the table literally catapulted my hot chocolate at me! ALLLLLLLLLL over my white shirt and blue jeans!!! And it was HOT!!!!

It there a personal injury attorney in the house? Sorry, "barrister".

Brittain:


Texas:



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:38 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
What happened? And ignore those two louts above me...

You're just jealous that she won first prize. Don't worry you can try to win tomorrow's contest.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:38 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!




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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:39 AM

TRISTAN


*is wondering if he is the only one that thinks DTH looks quite good wearing chocolate*

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:41 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
*CMH, I have bought Playboy. Got a subscription for Husband for Christmas a long time ago. He never read it ( nor the pics ) so we let the subscription lapse. It was a waste of money.

*Feels somewhat encouraged.*
Yes, but blaming it on your husband...for shame...
And I am not a lout. I'm not a lout to handle sharp objects. In space or elsewhere.

Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
*is wondering if he is the only one that thinks DTH looks quite good wearing chocolate*

Dude, you're asking a bunch of people who hang out in a (till recently) chocolate-filled hottub!!

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:41 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
What happened? And ignore those two louts above me...

You're just jealous that she won first prize. Don't worry you can try to win tomorrow's contest.



Wh... YOU'RE RIGHT ! I am jealous!

*runs crying out of the thread*


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:46 AM

ZEEK


Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
What happened? And ignore those two louts above me...

You're just jealous that she won first prize. Don't worry you can try to win tomorrow's contest.



Wh... YOU'RE RIGHT ! I am jealous!

*runs crying out of the thread*

Awwwww well I'm a sucker for crying girls. Tell ya what, you two can pudding wrestle for the award.

*starts making pudding*

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:47 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Wearing chocolate is NOT fun.

AND I had to run home and get changed before class! AND tell my boss what happened since I had to explain why I was late!

And the only thing that wasn't in the wash was my chocolate coloured jeans!!!!



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:48 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
What happened? And ignore those two louts above me...

You're just jealous that she won first prize. Don't worry you can try to win tomorrow's contest.



Wh... YOU'RE RIGHT ! I am jealous!

*runs crying out of the thread*

Awwwww well I'm a sucker for crying girls. Tell ya what, you two can pudding wrestle for the award.

*starts making pudding*

Jeez, ya dope! What did you do that fo...? Say does that call for milk or cream?


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:54 AM

TRISTAN


Sorry, DTH....trying to make you smile a bit. I'll be over here...


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:56 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by Tristan:
Sorry, DTH....trying to make you smile a bit. I'll be over here...

Are there no services you don't provide?


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:56 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


I'm fine... I'm fine... Rant over...

Kinda ran off quickly though. I really should have warned them about the table. Guess this means I have to go back there...

*wanders off to see if they have email*



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:01 AM

TRISTAN


JQ, I attempt to be a full-service gentleman. I am great at parties, too.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:02 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29


DTH -sorry to hear of your hot coco incident.I'll turn those laughing people into toads for you.I'm always doinghings like that & hate it when people laugh.
Good to see you though.

Bryce
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She rings like a bell through the night,and wouldn't you love to love her ? Takes to the sky like a bird in flight and who will be her lover ? All your life you've never seen a woman taken by the sky.Would you stay if she promised you heaven ? Would you even try ? -Stevie Nicks

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:04 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Actually, I plan to carry a super soaker full of hot chocolate around with me for the next week or two. And the second I see one of those laughers...

*suddenly remembers she's a peace loving hippie*

DAMMIT!!!



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:05 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Aside from sueing the bungers, I might suggest breaking the head off a mop, sharpening the end, and charge the bastards that laughed at you. then the a-hole staff. "Another hot chocolate?" STAB!

Sorry. Mind stuck on Frazetta women.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:07 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


They didn't even bring me a towel! They gave me wet paper napkins! WET PAPER NAPKINS!!! So now my clothes are chocolatey AND full of little bits of chocolatey paper!

If I weren't such a massive chcocoholic I swear this would put me off hot chocolate for life.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:13 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Aside from sueing the bungers, I might suggest breaking the head off a mop, sharpening the end, and charge the bastards that laughed at you. then the a-hole staff. "Another hot chocolate?" STAB!

Sorry. Mind stuck on Frazetta women.

Wait, after you stab them wouldn't they be a staff with a-hole?

And DTH, I missed the part about the laughing. That's no joke. You could have been hurt. Me, I'da taken the free cocoa...

They re All Gonna Laugh At You! ...



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:15 AM

TRISTAN


I was going to post a new thread, but I just got a bit busy....someone else wanna take this one?

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:18 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


I'm really enjoying the thought of discovering at that very moment in time that I'm a new "hero" from that NBC show and going all Carrie on their asses.

Is it wrong for a hippie to think that way? Goddess, I'm the worst hippie in the world! I should be all peace loving and unfazed by minor upsets like this, not running home panic stricken with my jacket firmly closed and my bag held at the exact hight that covers the massive stain on my jeans that makes me look like I just peed chocolate.



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:21 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
like I just peed chocolate.

*firmly, vainly, rubs mind's eye to no avail. the image won't fade...*


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:24 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Just realising my first post made it sound like I was wearing white jeans. They were blue. They're now navy brownish. Mostly.

And one of my housemates had left her washing in the machine, so I couldn't even wash my shirt!!! It'll all be dried in by the time I get home!!! GAAAAAHHH!!!



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:27 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Just realising my first post made it sound like I was wearing white jeans. They were blue. They're now navy brownish. Mostly.

So, really, it doesn't look like you peed at all.

EWWWWWWWW!!!!!


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:28 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29


Taken care of Captain !

Bryce
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She rings like a bell through the night,and wouldn't you love to love her ? Takes to the sky like a bird in flight and who will be her lover ? All your life you've never seen a woman taken by the sky.Would you stay if she promised you heaven ? Would you even try ? -Stevie Nicks

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:28 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


It does! Big stain! Right between the legs!

and... ouch!

New thread poeople! Go read the new thread!



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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:32 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


New thread awaits you: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=25581
Firsties dance already done by DTH.


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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:36 AM

CLEMENTINE


Wow, I've been catching up. I was intrigued by the entire, reasoned discussion of feminism. By the time I got to the end and was ready to post it's RIMG and Tristan making cracks about wet T-shirt contests. *Sigh*

Seriously, all sympathy for your predicament, DTH. But it is funny because it's not me.

BTW, I'm an engineer and my husband is a stay-at-home dad/writer. He has trained me over the years to say what I think. He has to kill the bugs. I hold doors open for people or walk through when they hold them for me. That's just polite. But it bugs me when people in front of me wait for me to exit the elevator first. That's just inefficient.

Oh, and I draw the line at a guy whose scabbord hangs down in front of the codpiece. That's just compensating for something.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:37 AM

CLEMENTINE


Double post.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:58 PM

MSG


I said I've never bought one Jonny...our subscription is comped because I ordered the Playboy Channel for my husband several Valentine's Days ago:) We English teachers are so annoying aren't we:)

I figure Rubens is my favorite artist and his nudes are lovely, so what makes his art and Playboy's not?? 'Sides we have a look don't touch policy. I figure he's married not dead and I don't overmuch care if he looks at naked women. How pitiful would I be if my ego couldn't withstand that:)

Ok have to go tutor until ...eeeek 10:30 pm. Oh I shall be tired tomorrow.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright



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