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So what are the faithful to do if they don't want to watch the altered 1997 editions of the trilogy? Either give in, or don't buy. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Ward. "But this is not a democracy...[George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one."" ( www.dvdfile.com)
actually hit Fox (oh, the irony) and Lucas' bottom line they might reconsider that "democracy" line. Imagine rows of Star Wars Special Edition DVDs collecting dust at Best Buy come Christmas?

We're Firefly fans! We've done the impossible (trying to anyway) and that makes us mighty! We've waited this long for Star Wars. Why not wait until they give us the real ones?

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Originally posted by TallGuy:
I debated posting this as a seperate thread or not...

Here's how it is...

"Of course, the big question mark amongst fans has always been whether Lucas would allow the original, unaltered original editions of the trilogy to also be released on DVD. Not possible, said (Jim) Ward (Marketing VP, Lucasfilm), who confirmed that the upcoming set will feature only the 1997 Special Edition versions of each film.

So what are the faithful to do if they don't want to watch the altered 1997 editions of the trilogy? Either give in, or don't buy. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Ward. "But this is not a democracy. We love our fans, but this is about art and filmmaking. [George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one."" ( www.dvdfile.com)

I'm taking the "don't buy" route. I bet (I hope) if we can actually hit Fox (oh, the irony) and Lucas' bottom line they might reconsider that "democracy" line. Imagine rows of Star Wars Special Edition DVDs collecting dust at Best Buy come Christmas?

We're Firefly fans! We've done the impossible (trying to anyway) and that makes us mighty! We've waited this long for Star Wars. Why not wait until they give us the real ones?

Bill
"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

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Originally posted by Hero:
And I can't help thinking that Palpatine is like the Clintons. He starts out as Bill Clinton, being all things to all people (1992-2000), but at some point in Ep 3 (2000) he reveals his evil self and rules as Emperor (Hillary) (2008).H

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Originally posted by TallGuy:
I debated posting this as a seperate thread or not...

Here's how it is...

"Of course, the big question mark amongst fans has always been whether Lucas would allow the original, unaltered original editions of the trilogy to also be released on DVD. Not possible, said (Jim) Ward (Marketing VP, Lucasfilm), who confirmed that the upcoming set will feature only the 1997 Special Edition versions of each film.

So what are the faithful to do if they don't want to watch the altered 1997 editions of the trilogy? Either give in, or don't buy. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Ward. "But this is not a democracy. We love our fans, but this is about art and filmmaking. [George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one."" ( www.dvdfile.com)

I'm taking the "don't buy" route. I bet (I hope) if we can actually hit Fox (oh, the irony) and Lucas' bottom line they might reconsider that "democracy" line. Imagine rows of Star Wars Special Edition DVDs collecting dust at Best Buy come Christmas?

We're Firefly fans! We've done the impossible (trying to anyway) and that makes us mighty! We've waited this long for Star Wars. Why not wait until they give us the real ones?

Bill
"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
My new mantra is anyone but the lying murderer we have in the White House now. If your argument is that Bush didn't lie, then I'll settle for incompetent, easily led, murderer.

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^Can we please keep politics out of this discussion folks?

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Originally posted by Static:
I don't give a good gorram about Star Wars or anything else. Just gimme back my gorram Firefly. . .FIRST on the Big screen to apologise for cancelling the series, and THEN the new series because it never should have been cancelled in the FIRST place.

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...And I still want the redone trilogy

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Originally posted by TallGuy:
I debated posting this as a seperate thread or not...

Here's how it is...

"Of course, the big question mark amongst fans has always been whether Lucas would allow the original, unaltered original editions of the trilogy to also be released on DVD. Not possible, said (Jim) Ward (Marketing VP, Lucasfilm), who confirmed that the upcoming set will feature only the 1997 Special Edition versions of each film.

So what are the faithful to do if they don't want to watch the altered 1997 editions of the trilogy? Either give in, or don't buy. "We realize there's a lot of debate out there," says Ward. "But this is not a democracy. We love our fans, but this is about art and filmmaking. [George] has decided that the sole version he wants available is this one."" ( www.dvdfile.com)

I'm taking the "don't buy" route. I bet (I hope) if we can actually hit Fox (oh, the irony) and Lucas' bottom line they might reconsider that "democracy" line. Imagine rows of Star Wars Special Edition DVDs collecting dust at Best Buy come Christmas?

We're Firefly fans! We've done the impossible (trying to anyway) and that makes us mighty! We've waited this long for Star Wars. Why not wait until they give us the real ones?

Bill
"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
My new mantra is anyone but the lying murderer we have in the White House now. If your argument is that Bush didn't lie, then I'll settle for incompetent, easily led, murderer.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Gee...I kinda liked the Special Edition. I have the trilogy on VHS. I'm not defending Episode 1 and 2, just saying I like the enhanced effects and cut scenes in the originals.

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Listening to some of these anti-Bush people makes you wonder if they'd have had the balls...er...moral courage to stand up to Hitler (after all, the Germans never attacked us, and we didn't find out about the Holocaust till long after the war started).


You should read a little more, Hero. Our government ignored the Holocaust. If you wish to follow the logic of 'get rid of evil' then we didn't do our duty to 6 million murder victims.

Read a little about the passenger ship St. Louis and how our government returned the nearly 1000 Jewish refugees into the hands of the nazis. This was 1939.

It all comes back to the basic truths, Hero. You can twist it and justify it and distort it but here is what happened.

Our President justified this war by citing an "immediate threat of Saddam using WMD". We went to war.

There is no WMD. There was no threat.

Our laws forbid us from attempting to remove a foreign head of state. This is now how we justify the war - we 'removed an evil man'.

A anti-social loner breaks into your house to kill you, while waltzing through the livingroom, he spots a cigarette burning on a cushion. He puts out the smoldering fire and uses the cushion to suffocate you. I'm guessing the authorities should congratulate him for averting a house fire?

Bush lied or he was jerked around like a puppet on a string. Your choice, Hero.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Originally posted by Static:
I don't give a good gorram about Star Wars or anything else. Just gimme back my gorram Firefly. . .FIRST on the Big screen to apologise for cancelling the series, and THEN the new series because it never should have been cancelled in the FIRST place.

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Originally posted by Kurukami:
Bleeaaaah... revisionist Star Wars junk. Mind you, the first one wasn't that bad... and in fact was a considerable improvement. But every single one of the remakes has at least one major change which made me shudder and go "WTF" at the screen.

To hell with Lucas and his all style no substance new stuff. (Namely Episodes I, II, and (presumably) III.)

History doesn't always repeat itself. Sometimes it merely shouts "Weren't you listening the first time?!?" and lets fly with a club.

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Wait you mean the official version of Star Wars is that Grecko shoots Han first at point blank and MISSES? WHY GOD? WHYYYYYY?

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And I can't really understand why nobody uses orbital bombardment (in Ep 5 they explain that there is a shield, but there's no real planetary defenses in Ep 1 or 2).

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Listening to some of these anti-Bush people makes you wonder if they'd have had the balls...er...moral courage to stand up to Hitler (after all, the Germans never attacked us, and we didn't find out about the Holocaust till long after the war started).

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Umm, yes they did attack us. If you recall the sinking of several British ships that involved the death of American passengers.

Go back to history class.


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Umm, yes they did attack us. If you recall the sinking of several British ships that involved the death of American passengers.

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Listening to some of these anti-Bush people makes you wonder if they'd have had the balls...er...moral courage to stand up to Hitler (after all, the Germans never attacked us, and we didn't find out about the Holocaust till long after the war started).

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Originally posted by Succatash:

I don't care much about changing the Max band scene, I'm extremely annoyed about the "Han shot first" change.

It really alters Han Solo's character by softening the Greedo scene. Not to mention it looks like shit the way Han just digitally moves sideways when Greedo shoots at him first.

It's so sick and wrong to change that. Lucas mainly claims the Special Edition is due to better technology but he is really wrong to mess with Han Solo's character.

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Originally posted by DeSangro:
Well, I'm probably going to buy the Star Wars DVDs. I know that I've made harsh comments about the prequels and I stand by those comments... but the original trilogy was responsible for firing up a love of science fiction that eventually led to Firefly. I saw all three Star Wars in the theatres in 1997, and to me they were pure magic. I actually really loved the Max Rebo band sequence in Return of the Jedi (Jabba's palace scene was one of my favorites). I guess this is a little bit like the altered scene in "OBJECTS IN SPACE": the only people who will see that episode as it was originally done will be the people who watched it on national TV. Now, with the DVD set out, Joss Whedon has inserted different dialogue into the conversation between Mal and Inara in the opening scenes to the ep. Why? Because that's the way that Joss Whedon, the creator of the show, wanted it to be done originally, but couldn't have done on national broadcast. If the Special Editions are the definative version that Lucas wants, okay, and I'll probably buy them, though the 9-disc Aliens DVDs will probabaly be a higher priority.

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Well, I'm probably going to buy the Star Wars DVDs. I know that I've made harsh comments about the prequels and I stand by those comments... but the original trilogy was responsible for firing up a love of science fiction that eventually led to Firefly. I saw all three Star Wars in the theatres in 1997, and to me they were pure magic. I actually really loved the Max Rebo band sequence in Return of the Jedi (Jabba's palace scene was one of my favorites). I guess this is a little bit like the altered scene in "OBJECTS IN SPACE": the only people who will see that episode as it was originally done will be the people who watched it on national TV. Now, with the DVD set out, Joss Whedon has inserted different dialogue into the conversation between Mal and Inara in the opening scenes to the ep. Why? Because that's the way that Joss Whedon, the creator of the show, wanted it to be done originally, but couldn't have done on national broadcast. If the Special Editions are the definative version that Lucas wants, okay, and I'll probably buy them, though the 9-disc Aliens DVDs will probabaly be a higher priority.

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You know, I thought about OIS - here's the difference: Both scenes where filmed at the same time. It wasn't like he went back and re-did them. As I understand it, what we saw on TV was the fix for the fact that Heart of Gold wasn't going to be aired. (And note that the aired take is included.)

It's interesting that you mention Alien. In the liner notes for the extended Alien, Ridley Scott says that he doesn't LIKE the "director's cut" of Alien, he likes his original. But he says that for the fans, here's BOTH.

And the thing that REALLY bugs me about the SEs of Star Wars is that Lucas is really saying "screw you" to not just the fans, but to the original artists who worked on the film. What? It was ground breaking and won acclaim and changed the face of film making as we know it in 1977? Oh, well that's too bad. Next up let's go back an re-do the flying monkeys in The Wizard of Oz, and PLEASE for heaven's sake go back and fix those TERRIBLE airport effects in Casablanca!

I can't wait untill 20 years from now when Joss Whedon dumps that crappy CGI that Zoic did for Firefly. Boy, THAT'LL be a weight off!

Why doesn't Lucas go mess with THX-1138 or American Graffiti?

Bill
"We all know I'm the funny one."
"You ain't all that funny."

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And I find it truly obscene that so many men would fault Clinton for lying about adultry when most married men are guilty of the same crimes (commiting adultry and lying about it). And some women, too. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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So what I am going to do is wait for Raiders of The Lost Ark to become a $1 weekly rental and then burn myself a copy, which will tie me over until George pulls his thumb out of his ass and releases a descent three DVD Set Ultimate Edition of Raider of The Lost Ark.

And I think I will do the same with Star Wars.

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
It all comes back to the basic truths, Hero. You can twist it and justify it and distort it but here is what happened.

Our President justified this war by citing an "immediate threat of Saddam using WMD". We went to war.

There is no WMD. There was no threat.

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A anti-social loner breaks into your house to kill you, while waltzing through the livingroom, he spots a cigarette burning on a cushion. He puts out the smoldering fire and uses the cushion to suffocate you. I'm guessing the authorities should congratulate him for averting a house fire?

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Bush lied or he was jerked around like a puppet on a string. Your choice, Hero.

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