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NV - hugs to you my friend ! She's a fool to miss out on you !

Brother Tristan ? I'm not so sure about that one !

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:04 AM

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Tristan, your post reminds me of when Buffy was getting over a bad break up and starting asking a nun she had rescued all sorts of questions about being a nun. And she tried on her wimple.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:09 AM

I just wanna be free of such issues. Maybe not free, just less confounded.

To tell the truth, I do get strange thoughts. Not completely suicidal, but not exactly fluffy bunnies and rainbows either.

Is the fear of life so defined that death seems to be the only option. Suicide is not an option and prolonging life is always the focus of everyday.

I just want to be someones everything. But it seems that is all but a passing dream.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:11 AM

LA - if only.....

NVG - I don't know you as well as some on here, but I have to echo Tristan's sentiment (not the bit about the monastary) - As I know from personal experience, Browncoats are the shiniest people in the 'verse, and both in the past and presently they have helped/are helping with life's little situations. If you ever need to just vent, or want a listening ear, feel free to let me know.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:12 AM

LA29, why not Brother Tristan? Could be interesting.

DTH, hmm. I guess I could try to enter a convent...hehehe.
Not really feeling that bad, just that sometimes I like to joke about situations I find myself in.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:15 AM

NV- what on earth is the problem with the women in your town?? Is there a some sort of pervasive psychological disorder? Are they mutated by radiation? Seriously there are some massively insane women in your town

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:30 AM

I have to agree with MSG here, NVG. If there is not a woman that sees what a great person you are, it's time to start importing them...I would suggest starting with the ladies on this thread.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:39 AM

NV - The women in your town must be blind fools not to snatch you up.Don't let the searching drag you down, any woman would be so lucky to have you be her everything.

Tristan - Brother Tristan sounds good to the ear, but somehow I can't picture you swearing off women for good.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:40 AM

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NV- I had to go back and reread your post to be sure...but she has a boyfriend, now. She's not married/engaged/living with someone. She's dating someone, and you yourself said not so seriously. Who's to say she actually doesn't want YOU to be her boyfriend? Maybe she's dating someone else because she didn't think you are interested.

Have you asked her? Not just hearsay, but talked with her about this?

You are not a Fall Guy. You are, however, talking yourself out of the chance to be with someone whom you genuinely care about.

Doing nice things for people shows you are a human being. Don't give that up, ever.

Big hug to you.

*Did anyone ever see the Irish movie where a bunch of guys in N Ireland advertise in the NY Times for women because the women of their village weren't interested in them?

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:43 AM

LA29...good point. Y'all are very addicting.

Mavourneen, with that Irish thing...did it work for them? I may have to try that out....

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 8:49 AM

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NVG - I've been in a similar state of mind as you're in right now since before I had my first girlfriend. Most people I've talked to call it a funk, thinking that it's just a phase that almost everyone goes through when they meet continual failure with dating. I think Tsunetomo would refer to it as, "The frivolous way of sophisticates".

It is my opinion that you are now seeing life for what it truly is, devoid of distractions and niceties that cloud reality. Romance only exists in the mind, and after a certain amount of deliberation, I've come to the personal opinion that it doesn't need to be manifested by the realities of other people. Heroic and romantic to me have usually been identified as stupid and creepy by other people. So when you say:

"I just want to be someones everything. But it seems that is all but a passing dream."

I say, "So what?". You can love someone from far away. They don't even need to know that you exist, so long as you don't cross the line and become a stalker. Even the most happily married couple will have to deal with the loss of the other eventually, so how much does it really matter if the love was reciprocated? It's an extremist and a very fatalistic way of thinking, but everything dies, so fatalism doesn't seem to be all that bad of a philosophy.

I've definitely thought about becoming a monk or a priest before, but you don't need to join a monastery to take up vows. I live a very disciplined life, more disciplined than many priests, but I have no official standing in a church. Vows between yourself and God or yourself and yourself don't need recognition by a church, or any collection of people.

There's been plenty of times where I toyed around with even trying to find other people who think like I do. To create a "Higher Order of Man", repelling all the useless and negative things associated with the male gender like beer drinking, football, fast cars, slutty women and fart jokes. But, also recognizing and maintaining the more noble pursuits, wrestling, swordplay, hunting, tracking, comradiery, and true romance. Of course, the market for people like that just doesn't exist: the lure of sex alone is too strong for me to find any Brother in Arms. But it's fine, I don't need any Brothers to justify my way of life and thinking, it would just be a... convenience. But maybe having to survive as a individual in this makes a person stronger, and that brings us right back around to the beginning. When all of the romance, comradiery, and socialism is taken away, you and only you exist.

Slight Update: My briefing on Monday went over extremely well. I definitely will not be shipping out before January, and I receive my final orders on Sunday. I can't go in to details, but in spite of almost being assured that I wouldn't be allowed to go back in to my original field, that's exactly what I'm doing.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 9:27 AM

NV -I'm with Mav on this one.You'll never know the whole truth if you don't jsut ask her outright.Don't give up on love just yet ,even if it isn't with her.

Mav - that's some good advice there !

Tristan - See - i thought so.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 9:31 AM

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Thanks, Tristan for asking what the moral of the movie was:

The girls came from America but they weren't what the guys were looking for. Turns out, it was the GIRLS NEXT DOOR who were under their noses the whole time that they really wanted!

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 9:37 AM

CMH- WOW...this higher order thing sounds amazing, but be prepared for women to stalk you down as the only decent guys in existence who aren't obsessed with football,fast cars, slutty women, and fart jokes. Seeriously, if you asked most women to make a list of the top 5 things about men that bug them...those 4 things would be in various orders in the top 5.
Not too sure about loving someone without actually meeting them. I think you can admire them, but not love them.
Congradulations on getting back and all. I completely understand about the no details thing. My friend who's the Navy SEAL ( strangely also named Chris) can never tell me anything. His emails and phone calls are rather odd at times since he can't even disclose how the weather is or anything that might hint at location.

NV- um now might be a good time to stake your claim. Just tell her you're interested and want to date her and watch how fast new guy ( well you know what I mean) gets the boot. If she truly doesn't respond though...she's simply too dumb to breathe:)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 9:40 AM

CMH, wanted to tell you again congrats. I sent you a PM, but I am not sure if you got it.

I am not sure if I mentioned this before, but I did "go celibate" during the final year of my Master's program in order to focus my attentions on that. The first few months were torture, but it eventually became more than tolerable. I have no problems with vows of that nature. They work.

Your ideals of a brotherhood sound like a wonderful idea. I have lived most of them (hate football, fart jokes, and slutty women, but I do like cars), especially the romantic part. I am a firm believer in chivalric love, where it is not always necessary to consumate the relationship. Of course, I am also a seeker of sex, so I may not qualify. It's a nice ideal to have, though, and I respect it.

LA29, you got me pegged.

Mavourneen, there are no GND's where I live, unfortunately...

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:10 AM

I'm really not completely sure what my issue is. Mostly I'm sick of being the go to guy with little or no reward. If there is a problem I'm usually the one who, at the very least, is contacted for counsel. If there's a job that ain't bein' done that should be, I'll strap on my gear and git the MF done. And as for the residual stuff, I'm left with the anger and pain and frustration that lingers after the dirty work. I wanna be behind the shroud of life. I wanna just veil my eyes from the truth and wander the aimless mediocrity of human existence. And I wanna have a family. I need to see that all this shit ain't for nothing. To pass on something worth remembering.

And, of all things, I want to be wanted. I think the feeling of being needed diminished the thought of being wanted. I forgot what being wanted felt like. I need to feel wanted. I don't know why. Is that stupid?

Just alot of human feelings returning to my jaded ass.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:26 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I'm really not completely sure what my issue is. Mostly I'm sick of being the go to guy with little or no reward. If there is a problem I'm usually the one who, at the very least, is contacted for counsel. If there's a job that ain't bein' done that should be, I'll strap on my gear and git the MF done. And as for the residual stuff, I'm left with the anger and pain and frustration that lingers after the dirty work. I wanna be behind the shroud of life. I wanna just veil my eyes from the truth and wander the aimless mediocrity of human existence. And I wanna have a family. I need to see that all this shit ain't for nothing. To pass on something worth remembering.

And, of all things, I want to be wanted. I think the feeling of being needed diminished the thought of being wanted. I forgot what being wanted felt like. I need to feel wanted. I don't know why. Is that stupid?

Just alot of human feelings returning to my jaded ass.

Punkin Doodle boy - JUST SAY NO! I know it isn't that easy, but seems to be that you are ENABLING other people to use you for their dirty work. You must react with tough love. Tell them to piss or get off the pot and me lovely granny would say -but she won't cause she isn't with us anymore- Pick and choose when you step in and when you don't. It will be hard, but in the end THEY will be stronger and you will feel less used, less emotionally drained.

And remember we all got nothin but love for the NV!

PS - everyone wants to be wanted. So thats not silly.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:29 AM

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Hey

MSG have your Navy Seal friend call me. I mean after all since ASSHOLE has been telling people he was one )apparently) for years - then maybe I should really have one. wink wink nudge nudge.

Seriously, the peeps keep opening my profile for searhes and all that contact me are OLDER gentleman or the really unsuitable and it is getting depressing.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:33 AM

MAVOURNEEN

FMF!!!

It's a miracle, we're on at the same time.

Sorry to hear no suitable men are forthcoming. Keep you eyes peeled- he's out there somewhere!

Are you on eharmony? or is it another service?

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:13 AM

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MSG - Dante Alligheri wrote some of the most beautiful poetry ever written for a woman, inspired by a woman named Beatrice whom he never met in person. It could certainly be argued whether or not this obsession of his was love or something else, but that's part of the mental state of romance. To him, he was madly in love, with no concern for the reason or logic behind never having met the object of his affection. I sympathize with him on that level. Maybe it's not what you or a host of other people would call love; in fact, maybe Alligeri and I have the emotional mind of an 8 year old. I probably wouldn't deny that.

Tristan - I did get the PM, thank you. I'll be responding to it soon, but I want to say publicly that I truly appreciate your words and sentiments.

Regarding your period of celibacy, it surprises me how many people have gone through this themselves, found very positive results, but still decided to put it aside when they were done with it. It seems to me that a man's whole life should be as focused and driven as it is when he first makes those vows. But even I've slacked in the past year, and probably in much worse ways. I can say that I've most likely stolen well over $1000 worth of property from various sources, so maybe I shouldn't be preaching this "Higher Order" stuff. All I can do to make amends is to man up and move forward.

Almost everyone here that I talk to as equals are older than me and have more life experience. I've tried so hard to take what I've learned from only the most extreme situations, war and fighting, and apply it to human interaction. That's probably why I fail at it so much. Maybe someday in the future, if I ever move beyond the taste for lead and steel, I'll see an importance in sex and intimacy, and finally understand what you've all been talking about. But until then, I remain in thorough disagreement with you all.

NVG - Wanting to be wanted is a common psychological desire, and probably even a need by most people's standards. But that's a thin, dangerous line, if it even actually exists. You should never let people's desire for you define and justify your existence. Even most "date experts" would encourage you to be comfortable with and "love" yourself before you try to find someone else to connect with. If you're tired of being the fall guy, then don't be him anymore.

Although I'm horrified to be quoting from Star Trek, I think there's value in the quote "Don't try to be a great man, just be a man". That would probably be applicable here. If you stop stressing about finding a woman and concentrate on just being a man, then eventually they'll come to you. Be confident, be strong, on your own, and then when they come, you can decide for yourself if you even need or want them.

Or you could always re-enlist. Uncle Sam always knows how to make you feel wanted.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:17 AM

FMF- I may love him but I wouldn't inflict him on anyone else. He's a great friend( best friend ever) and near about the worst boyfriend known to woman kind. ( he's a major man whore)However if you're looking for am amazing time in the sack( from what all the girls say, no personal experience on this one) with absolutely no chance of committment...then he is definitely your man.

NV- Aw baby HUGS and loves and smother love and such. You need someone who appreciates how smart, kind, funny, responsible( yes responsible is a GREAT thing)sweet, terrific and incredible you truly are. Obviously the women of Fallon are simply to worthless, and dumb to not appreciate an amazing and wonderful man like you and they should be run out of town and replaced with real women who would appreciate you.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:20 AM

Thanks a bunch FMF. I'm thinkin' a little truth will go a long way in this case. Just hate the track record that seems to follow close.

As for the women in this town, I'm related to at least 25 percent of them. I fit into no defined category of guy. And I don't play games. That pretty much rules me out of a ton of opportunitys.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:25 AM

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As for the women in this town, I'm related to at least 25 percent of them.
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That pretty much rules me out of a ton of opportunitys.

(attempting to bring a smile to your faces, nothing more)

Too bad you don't live in Alabama.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:30 AM

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:31 AM

I did smile, but only for a second. Kinda made me gasp for air for a sec.
But I'd watch the Alabama remarks. Tristan might not take kindly to it.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:39 AM

NV- HUGS

CMH- see I'd call that infatuation. If you don't know a person. Who they are, what kind of person they are, how they treat themselves and others, how interesting they are, then how can you know if you love them or are just infatuated with how they look. It's kind of like a mail order bride. You like the look of them, but don't really know them or see them as anything other than a great work of art. I'm not saying art can't inspire feelings, but not deep ones:) ( that's just my opinion though)

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:43 AM

Quote:
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I did smile, but only for a second. Kinda made me gasp for air for a sec.
But I'd watch the Alabama remarks. Tristan might not take kindly to it.

Oh good, we can solve both of your woes in the same manner then.

* ducks behind the couch in case Tristan comes at him with one of his swords or guns

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:47 AM

RIMG- you're evil...really cute, but evil

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:53 AM

I think alot of it is coming to terms with the feelings that flood back here and there. To go so long without feeling much of anything really plays with the mind, body, and spirit. Doing rather than talking is my life. Preventing and protecting is my life. Nurturing and building. All these things are part of my life. Aren't these the things a man should do? I just figure love is the one thing that hasn't really panned out. So I keep trying the best way I can. I don't know why. I just do it.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:57 AM

You keep doing it because you know that one day you will get what you want:) HUGS I would agree that that is what a man does and you are one hell of a man

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:58 AM

CMH, good deal. And thank you. You have made me stop and think about several things in my own life, and see alternatives.
I am guilty of wanting sex. It's a pleasurable experience, and does draw people closer to one another. I have also learned that it can drive wedges between them, as well. Some of my more fulfilling relationships have been of the courtly-love type...words, gestures, and gifts that show love rather than the "C'mere, baby, let's do this" type. I am not saying that I have not had physical relationships that do not match this...just that they are different animals altogether. Not sure where I am going with this...I am in a general funk regarding relationships at the moment, but I am missing the physical part. I have re-acquainted myself with several old friends, but have no desire to go any further with them. Huh. I still have the feelings of lust, but no real desire to act on them.
I am glad you remain in disagreement. It makes for more interesting conversations and insights.

Whatever happens, CMH, you will always have a home here. Just be careful out there.

RIMG, I resent that remark! Yet, at the same time, how very, very true. Small anecdote to prove him right....
My ex wife's family hails from a town called Goodwater south of where I live now. Most of her kin still live there...small town, used to have a lot of industry, now kind of just there.
The family of my brother's wife, who are mostly in Georgia now, also come from Goodwater. We discovered this fact during a Thanksgiving feast a few years back. Turns out that some of my ex's kin knew some of my in-law's kin...there may have been cross-marriage way back in the line, we never got that far.
To add to that, one of my co-workers family ALSO hails from Goodwater...seems there are about a dozen major family names in that town, and they are quite prolific breeders.
It's a small world....

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 12:02 PM

Tristan ,now I have that gorram song going through my head !
It's a small world after all...

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 12:24 PM

I gotta be out folks. Thanks again for the range of views. It helps alot to see many different takes on an issue.

Love and Hugs.
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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 1:12 PM

HUGS NV and hang in there sweety:)

CMH- yeah I'd like to echo Tristan's comments. You do always have a home here and remember 1- Ducking is good 2- avoiding getting shot is good 3- bombs and bomb disposal is BAD. 4- be very very careful!!!! 5- Don't make me have to fly over there and smack someone for shooting you ( 'cause then I'd have to smack them really hard)

Ok I'm out for the night. I've got to go tutor.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 3:08 PM

MAGDALENA

"No power in the 'verse can stop me!"

Hey there everyone!! I finally get a few minutes on line and you all go to bed!!

MsG

so wonderful to wake up to your text message!!

You are one of the wisest people on this thread and I love, love, LOVE being your big sister!!

Tristan

keep warm, Honey... I don't like the thought of you joining a monastary... unless 'Oh do you get to wear one of those robes with the hood... sandals...? Might work...

Sleep well qing ren!

NVG

1. I missed you and do miss you coz I am not on here anywhere near as much as I would like! I felt the same way when I was 28, being single and caring so very much about people mattered a lot, I felt like I was facing 30 with no soul-mate, no prospect of becoming a mother (something I have wanted since I was 6 years old) and nobody who 'wanted me'... when I was in my 30s I imagined myself in love with a few losers just to capture the 'being wanted part' and when they really proved their loser qualities to me I was deeply hurt! Funnily enough now that I am looking at 40 I am so much more aware of who I am, so very glad that I didn't make the mistake of actually marrying any of the losers, and feeling like the future is rosier than ever... and though that window of 'motherhood' is a little smaller with every passing month (or so I have been told recently) I don't feel like it is the end of the world... I might be a terrific step-mother, adopt or even foster children who need a stable home environment, and I know I am a wonderful auntie and nanny & have some precious relationships with children in my life!

I guess what I am saying is, that I feel your pain - I do understand it, as I too am a person who cares deeply and has to act on it wherever I can! Friends, children and family matter more than anything else in this world to me - and I have learned that this is who I am and if hurting sometimes comes with that then that is part of my life experience... I would not change who I am for anything! I will learn new things, take on new interests, and maybet though experience adapt and adopt different views on life, but I remain a deeply loyal, caring and sensitive person at heart. Be true to yourself and in time you will find that loving yourself and enjoying your own company matter as much as anything else... then you will have to beat the women away with a stick... or get MsG & I to do the bappin' for you!!

Hi FMF

How are you? Thanks for the email - hope things are settling down for you!!

Hey - why don't we get Mavourneen to give up importing furniture and start importing/exporting Browncoat girls and boys for us all... ????

I'll sign up... though I see I have a big tag on me already... let's see... Oh, seems like I need to learn the words to that song properly then...

so - who else is coming to Dragon*Con??

Little Albatross

!! Hope Dylan is heaps better sweetheart! And as for transporters, or portals, wouldn't they be fun!!!!????

Jimi-bear!! RIMG

Thank you for sharing! You are one in a million! Hang in there and don't forget that we love you! I don't entirely agree with my little sis that you cannot love people on the internet, I have friends who I love very, very much right here!

Now... falling in love... that is a different subject altogether and 1 I don't have time for right now... sorry got to go!

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 5:34 PM

RMMC

MSG: I see your invisible pasttime kitties and lower you two BAD kitties.

Madga: Hi! *waves*

CMH: Congrats! I hope you stay safe though.

NVG: {{{{{NVG}}}} The only thing I can add to the wonderful advise already given is: No matter what, you have to live with you. Do what's right for yourself, that you can live with. And I agree with Magda, and am in a similar situation as her but with a few extra years: better no one than the wrong someone. The former is easier to change than the latter and much less nerve-wracking. *more hugs* I also wanna join the squad to smack the women out there silly. Are they blind?! Or just immensely stupid?

Tristan: Brother Tristan? Please don't. I have no idea how many rosaries I'd get for flirting with a monk.

Ah, the new imponderable...I likes it a bit cold at night and pile on the covers. I end up much less hot. Too hot and sleep just won't happen.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2006 5:49 PM

JAMESTHEDARK

Man, that's a lot of cats for one thread...

And hasn't this thread gotten kind of unweildy?

*So speaks the official Imponderables Thread Killer*

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I ain't lookin' for help from on high. That's a damn long wait for a train don't come.

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.

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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 12:23 AM

VERSEEXPLORER

MsG and Mav, I love the cat pics.

RIMG, you really should check out the invisible bike at your house.

James, I didn't know that you were the Official Imponderable Thread Killer. I'll post a *bump* to see if it can be revived.

Help Spread the Word to Non Sci-Fi Fans
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=20&t=25063&m=412141#412141

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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 1:18 AM

NICODEMUS

Thread Killer? Where?

I see no dead threads, merely sleeping ones.

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If you find yourself getting too worked up about stuff that isn't real (RP Threads etc), then go outside, breathe in some fresh air and try feeding the ducks. (Because ducks don't care about your politics, religion, skin colour, choice of music or even your haircut. They like everyone, provided you bring them food.)

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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 1:22 AM

mornin' Imponderables.

VE - invisible bike ???

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
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Medic for the 76th Indepentent Army Battalion

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"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be mandatory." - Bill Hicks

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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 1:26 AM

Isn't an invisible bike better than an invisible smelly old shoe ? Or an invisible mean tempered llama ?

Good morning.

Bryce
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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 1:37 AM

mornin'.

I suppose it is, and another bonus is that no one can see it to steal it.

~Jimi
jimi dot spettel at gmail dot com
Self-Proclaimed Grand Vizier of Georgia
Medic for the 76th Indepentent Army Battalion

- Animation by DesktopHippie

"Marijuana not only should be legal, it should be mandatory." - Bill Hicks

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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 1:44 AM

see , it's a happy day already !

Bryce
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Wednesday, December 6, 2006 3:57 AM