Male and Female Imponderables - A Hard Earned Thirst Needs A Big Cold Beer, But I Drink To Get Pissed. by Nicodemus

Morning, Everyone.

Wow. First time in a long time there's been a new ponderable as soon as I log on! *smiles*

Tidbit is only 5. I have a while to go before I need to think about him dating.
However, I know from my friends who have older kids that girls today are much more likely to call pre-teen boys than they were in my day. Maybe I only have 7 years or so before Carson starts getting phone calls from girls. *ACK!*

I will need to think about this before answering further...but my first thought may be he can date around 14 or 15 unchaperoned. Maybe. *Double ACK!*

Rainy miserable day this AM. Supposed to be very warm this afternoon. 70 degrees by tomorrow. Global warming! Hmmph! I want snow. Not as much as PR has had to deal with, but I want winter!

Coffee time! Back soon.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 3:46 AM

TRISTAN

Morning, all!
Nice new digs, Nico...thanks!

Hmm...what age would I let my children date...well, I think I have to agree with Mav here. Unchaperoned around 14 or 15. By unchaperoned I mean I would take them wherever they were going and pick them up afterwards...or let the other parents do the same. And yes, it would be the same for both the boy and girl.

Qing ren!

Wonderful idea, there, Mav....coffee!

I'll be on the front desk today, so (surprise) I may not be around too much.

Good morning to those that I will miss!

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Friday, January 5, 2007 4:43 AM

CHRISMOORHEAD

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
"Girly"??

I have never - in my entire life - been called, thought of, referred to, or imagined as "girly."

This amuses, yet... I'm kind of... insulted. (?)

As well you should be, being girly is a horribly bad thing to be! Arnold Schwarzenegger and I agree on this point. Maybe I'm just a meat head, but when I see all your photos of you playing dress up with your skirts and everything, I think girly.

Quote:
Ah. Since you know me so well, I can see how you're comfortable saying this.

Of course I am. If I wasn't, wouldn't be the all knowing omnipotent being that controls time and space, which I am.

Ok, so I never got the photos up last night. FFF.net server was bugging out big time, I actually tried starting the Male and Female Imponderables Thread myself, but no dice.

I brought up the question on the last thread of what singular accomplishment have people been putting off for a long time that they still really want to do. From what I saw, I didn't really get any answers (Cept for Mav and MSG). I hope some people have had more time to maul it over and figure it out. Here's mine:

I've talked about falling an animal with a knife for a long time. Many people are familiar with the notion that "hunting" with firearms is anything but fair, and I feel much the same way about it. Hunting with that much of an advantage should be reserved for survival situations.

This past Sunday at aprx. 0545, I snuck up on and chased down a doe, bringing it to rest with nothing but my buck knife. It was a clean kill, directly to the heart, and I felt what it was like to have something die for real, right in front of me, holding it and feeling it's body give out. There's no other experience to match it.

I've since skinned and butchered the animal, using every part of it that I could think to use. These are pictures of me with the beast's hide.

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I feel more prepared for battle now than ever before. In these past days I have felt the optimism of the invincible. I know that someday I'll take it in the field, that's my destiny. The Old Father has already woven the skein of my life, and I know that it's cut abruptly, but for anyone who's expressed concern for me this time around, I promise you all that it wont be anytime soon.

But for more Earthly matters: I wouldn't "let" my child go on dates until they were 18. But I know children have ways around those things. If I ever did have a child, I know I'd raise them very strictly with high expectations, and that they'd probably end up piercing their nose and hating me by the time they were 13. But, we're talking ideals here, right? Yeah, no dating, no drinking, no caffeine, etc. Instead, pushups, running and forced hydration.

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Place my body on a ship and burn it on the sea,
Let my spirit rise, Valkyries carry me.
Take me to Valhalla where my brothers wait for me.
Fires burn into the sky, my spirit will never die.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:06 AM

TRISTAN

CMH, nice showing there! Thank you for sharing that experience with us. The photos are great, too.
I have thought about your ponder, and while there are several things I would like to do that I haven't (spear-hunting a boar is among them, oddly enough), the one thing I would to accomplish is a little less mundane than yours...I want to walk Ireland. I visited Dublin for eight days in '98, and have wanted to go back ever since. One of those days I spent at Tara, and I had the chance to walk for several miles around the countryside. I want to take several months and just walk.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:10 AM

See now that's real hunting. None of this hiding and ambushing the poor creature from miles away to get something "cool" to put on your wall. HUGS CMH and snazzy pics. I don't generally approve of killing animals,like you I agree survival situation is about it, and use of every part means it's not just that lame killng for "fun" nonsense...Anyway, how soon are you shipping out darlin?

HUGS and morning to all.

Hell's Kitten I share your sense of vague insult at the term girly...I wouldn't say it's seriously insulting, but mildly yes.. We have a teacher here who I was helping get his act together, but I kinda passed it off after we were discussing how I make my room smell nice using wallflowers from Bath and Body Works and he sai " aw you girls and your little lotions...that's so cute" Pondered punching him in the kidney, but decided that would be unprofessional.

Age I would let my kid date. 12 with me there( kind of a group thing going to movies or having a party) solo at 15.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:12 AM

KELKHIL

CMh I agree with you on the "sport" of hunting. I do not hunt because I think that if a person needs countless rounds to take down an unsuspecting animal there is really no sport involved.

Although I was looking through a hunting Mag a few years ago and found one trip that I would concider. It was spear hunting for Bear. Now that would be a sport!

As far as what I have always wanted to do but never got around to. I guess there are a few. I want to BASE jump the mackinac Bridge here in Mich. Learn to surf. There are others but the options a not out there to accomplish yet.

So if ya'll here about some moron jumping off a perfectly good bridge in Mich. it very well might be me!

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:37 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

mornin' Imponderables. Several threads worth of replies to follow:

Mexican music by kilted men on bagpipes? I must hear this.

The only real resolutions I made were to try and be healthier in all aspects of my life, and to take more time for myself. So far it seems to be going well, as I have this whole weekend to myself with nothing to do.

I am really interested in the Browncoat cruise, I think it is a spectacular idea. I need to look into the money and the dates and such, as budgeting for things this year has been made a bit more difficult.

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Oh! Also?
Sir Ian McKellen.
Is.
Magneto. !!

I am split on this one, as Gandalf comes just as readily to mind when his name is mentioned. Along those lines though, Kevin Spacey will always be Kaiser Soze, Billy Connolly will always be El Duce, and Michael Chiklis will always be Vic Mackey, at least in my mind.

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Ok I have a ponder. How old is too old for kid stuff? (

like how old before you have to stop playing with bubbles or

jumping in puddles)

Never. There is no such thing as 'too old'.

MSG - loved the guy rules!

One thing I really want to do is go back to Europe. I threw a coin in the Trevi Fountain, which means I will at least get to go back there, but I want to see and visit most of the countries over there, most especially Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Holland. Really all of them besides France.
EDIT: Tristan, walking Ireland for several months sounds like heaven.

I think that the teens are a good time to let kids start dating, at least in a one-on-one sense. The group dates when they are younger will eventually get old, and like CMH pointed out if they are kept from doing it then they are going to find a way. I would rather help them, and be there to explain things to them, then let them do something that could be a lot more dangerous just because I told them they couldn't. I also agree with Tristan that there would be no difference in boys and girls.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dancingneko:
RIMG: *hugs* Still waiting on you driving down here for that dinner and a movie.

I'll be stopping by there on my tour of the country. I'll be the travelling Browncoat.

Hi to everyone who is here, and I may not be back on until after I get home from the fed job today, as I am trying to be good and do a little work. I miss you guys, especially since it's been a week or more since I was seriously active on the boards.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:41 AM

ZZETTA13

I don't hunt. I used to when I was a kid but not any more. I wouldn'd call hunting a sport unless the animal you were hunting could "Kill you right back".

Now this is JMO so any hunters we have on the board, this ain't nothing "agin" you. But feeding animals weeks or months ahead of time then shooting them when they come to supper just ain't sport to me. There are a lot of hunters in this area. I work with many and have some in my own family so when the talk turns to hunting I stay out of it. I realize ppl hunt for the meat and all and I'm Ok with that. But to go on a BIG HUNT to kill a beautiful animal that is just living it's life in the wild ain't sport to me.

It's like if aliens held a beauty or bodybuilding event then laser zapped the contestants as they walked on stage.I know that's wierd but it's just how I think.

Anyhoo this thread is about dating. Girls/15 and at that age as long as it's in a group. Boys/16 alone with a girl/16 with a time to be home set.

Z

PS: I used to duck hunt but now we have an agreement. They don't poop on my house I don't wizz in their marsh.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:55 AM

and now for something completely different...Dog Pics

Binky didn't appreciate the acceleration of his owner's new car.

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:03 AM

ZZETTA13

MSG, wasn't there a cat on the right...lol

funny pic, Z

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:38 AM

GRIZWALD

C'n I bust in on your thread uninvited?

I have a daughter who will be 16 next month. We always told her 16 was when she could start dating. She sneaked around and had a boyfriend last summer and into the school year; we pretended not to notice at first, but eventually got involved, invited the boy over and told him that he was welcome to visit with our daughter but it had to be in our house with us present. That was the last we saw of him.

I still think 16 is a good age. Everybody else in her school started younger, but I think they need the added maturity of a year or two of growth to handle it. In our school district, nobody just goes on a date and then that's it; they have to "go" with the person, which means acting engaged to be married, with all that goes with it. Ugh. My baby! Anyway, our eldest said there are a couple of boys who have asked her out whom she told to wait till February 4th, and they said they would, so we will see how it goes.

The same rule will apply for our son and The Baby who is a girl and who may not be allowed to reach 16 if she stays as mouthy as she is now.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:46 AM

I've always been of the opinion that modern hunting is immoral. There is no reason to hunt in this day and age if it is not feeding your family and providing the main means of sustenance.

You live out in Gopher's Crotch Montana and there's no grocery store for 150 miles around? Fine. Hunt. Feed Yourself. That's what God intended the creatures of the Earth to be there for.

You live in the suburbs of X and pass 15 grocery stores to and from work? Not fine.

I realize that this opinion is mine, and my own. I realize, and have argued to the Nth degree with Husband that there are many other people who disagree with my viewpoint. Don't flame me for my opinion, and it isn't an atack on anyone (CMH) in particular.

For example, here in the Washington area, the deer population has grown exponentially in the last 20 years. Deer carcasses on the side of the road are very very common. I understand hunting is more humane than having the population outstip the food supply and the poor things starve. I get that.

Hunting for the thrill of the kill is a revolting de-evolution of our status as humans.
Not more than 100 years ago, we hunted to survive. Now, we hunt because life is boring. Sad.

EDIT: GRIZ! Long time no see. How are you, Hon? You don't have Sci-Fi channel - I just saw the commercials for the upcoming season of BSG. Looks great...!

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:49 AM

KELKHIL

On the whole age to date thing....

My daughter is never going to be allowed to date. She will stay at home and when I deem the time right I wil arrange a husband for her and she will move away!

Hehehehehe! A joke yes?

I haven't given it a lot of thought. She is still to young so I am blocking that out of my mind presently. I am trying to think of a way to stop her from growing up.

I figure as the age gets closer me and Laurelin will have to sit down and discuss what we think is appropriate. Thankfully that is years away at the moment.

Kelkhil

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:52 AM

GRIZWALD

Better yet, you will choose a suitable husband for her and he will move in, where you can keep close tabs on him.

I know the feeling. My husband especially gets upset because he knows from experience exactly what those high school boys are thinking when they look at OUR DAUGHTER. They want in her pants. That's the short version. It makes us crazy!

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Friday, January 5, 2007 6:56 AM

PENGUIN

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I've always been of the opinion that modern hunting is immoral. There is no reason to hunt in this day and age if it is not feeding your family and providing the main means of sustenance.

You live out in Gopher's Crotch Montana and there's no grocery store for 150 miles around? Fine. Hunt. Feed Yourself. That's what God intended the creatures of the Earth to be there for.

You live in the suburbs of X and pass 15 grocery stores to and from work? Not fine.

I tend to agree with you there about hunting, and about guns in general.

Clowns to the left of me…

...Jokers to the right...

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Friday, January 5, 2007 7:13 AM

NAVYSEILS

Not posted here in a while, what's the subject...dating. I'll pass on that one. I'll worry about that should I ever get round to having some children, which ain't likely.

I noticed something about typecast actors earlier too. I used to think there were certain actors I couldn't imagine in anything else, but as long as its done well I don't seem to notice. To me our good captain is as much johnny from two guys and a girl as he is Mal, and shatner is as much denny crane as he is James T. I do think about certain films they were in straight away when I see certain actors, but thats just natural I think.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 7:45 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Due to the gravity of this post at certain points, I am "spoilering" out part so as not to kill the generally up tone of the thread.
For those wanting "fun", let me direct you to the previously written, but laterly posted post below.

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I've always been of the opinion that modern hunting is immoral...I realize that this opinion is mine, and my own. Don't flame me for my opinion, and it isn't an atack on anyone (CMH) in particular...Hunting for the thrill of the kill is a revolting de-evolution of our status as humans.

I don't fault you at all for feeling this way, and there better not be any flaming. I am the penultimate animal lover. I have half a mind that people ought to be forced to kill their own hamburger/bacon/mcnugget sources and see if it doesn't cut down on consumption and improve the national health at the same time. EEP! Sorry Griz, Priestess of Pork!
That said, I don't think "thrill" is exactly the word that applies in CMH's case, so I don't think he's going to feel "attacked" by you. (You're too much of a pacifist to attack anyone anyway.)

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
This past Sunday at aprx. 0545, I snuck up on and chased down a doe, bringing it to rest with nothing but my buck knife. It was a clean kill, directly to the heart, and I felt what it was like to have something die for real, right in front of me, holding it and feeling it's body give out. There's no other experience to match it.

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When I was in high school, my cat used to sit on top of my car tire. I'd shoo him out everytime I had to go somewhere. I never forgot. Except once. There was a mystifying "bump" as I started to back out of the driveway. Then before my mind had a chance to unbaffle itself into sickening awareness, I saw my cat shoot into the back yard at full speed and out of sight. I ran to find him and there he was, heaving his last breaths. I scooped him up and held him in my arms until he was gone.

It was real and right in front of me and it felt his body give out. There's no other experience to match it. (Point of fact, before anyone calls me the bleeding heart here: I've done death vigils with humans, too.)

My cat's name was "Lucky". Swear to Odin.

The doe's death is different and I understand that. I didn't mean to say it's wrong. My dad was a hunter all his life. And even though I am not him, I hold no true hunter full of blame. The bumwipes that think turkey shoots are "fun" are a different matter.

I was trying to say that I agree with you about it being a singular experience, regardless of the reaction it may inspire in each of us. A death at sword's point is very different than one having it all end from a mile high bomber. (And please, Jesus, don't let that be construed an aspersion on any of our air corps) It's the same point as the hamburger buyer mentioned above.

You needed to know that feeling Chris. Now you do. I hope it helped.

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 7:49 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

It all started innocently enough…

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Originally posted by Tristan:
So, here's a good Imponderable...did anyone have resolutions this year, and how long do you think you'll stick to them?

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Ummmm... I made some vague resolutions to myself, yes.
Things along the lines of…distancing myself from any sort of emotional commitments...you know...same old, same old.

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Distance yourself? Me ‘fraid to approach!

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Continued practice to reach an unreachable perfection is good for the soul:

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
And you’re sure there’s no biological connection between you and CMH???

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Knowing ChrisMoorhead by only his name, I can neither confirm nor deny any biological connection.

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
JQ - I'm too masculine to be related to someone as girly as HellsKitten. I'll even be providing photos in the next hour or so to prove it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
!!! "Girly"?? I have never - in my entire life - been called, thought of, referred to, or imagined as "girly." This amuses, yet... I'm kind of... insulted. (?)

Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Girly or no, I think she kicks ass. And that's something I know you know about...

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
As well you should be, being girly is a horribly bad thing to be! Arnold Schwarzenegger and I agree on this point. Maybe I'm just a meat head, but when I see all your photos of you playing dress up with your skirts and everything, I think girly.

Quote:
Originally posted by msg:
Hell's Kitten I share your sense of vague insult at the term girly...I wouldn't say it's seriously insulting, but mildly yes.. We have a teacher here who I was helping get his act together, but I kinda passed it off after we were discussing how I make my room smell nice using wallflowers from Bath and Body Works and he sai " aw you girls and your little lotions...that's so cute" Pondered punching him in the kidney, but decided that would be unprofessional.

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
And you’re sure there’s no biological connection between you and CMH???

Actually, I was misquoting myself on that one. My original question the last time the three of us entered my head together (Please don't ask what that might mean; I think it means our posts were in close proximity.), I was wondering how come you two didn't hook up. Oh, well.

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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Because I'm Asexual, and she prefers people without facial deformities. Completley opposit worlds.
Anyways, the pictures are coming, very soon! I bet your pants are squishy with excitement!

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Originally posted by someone, somewhere else:
my face is crooked.
asymmetric.
you have no idea how much that bothers me.

Acid test for Girly girlness vs. NON-girly girlness: Which of the following best describes you?

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Originally posted by Nicodemus:
Seeing as how the last thread racked up 125+ posts in less than 10 hours, and the weekends just getting started, I've used my (imaginary) powers to start a new one.

Am I ever going to live this down???

P.S. CMH, any kind of ceremonious smearing of blood, etc. to commemorate the kill?

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 8:16 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

Good morning all. Interesting evening/morning.

Hunting- As for the primative hunting, I've had the chance to be a part of a few netted rabbit drives. I hope someday I'll get to try a netted duck drive. These are traditionally the ways of hunting in these parts. I have to sgree, there's nothing like it. I have to disagree though about hunting being unneccessary. Some people still have a strong sense of tradition that needs to be carried on for future generations. I don't agree with killing. Not anymore. But as things become neccessary for survival, there is little prejudice towards the act for me. It might be advisable for the people who know how to teach others the reason, method, act, and consequences of doing so.

As for the mindset of CMH, please do not judge. It takes men millions of different ways to come to terms with their emotions or lack thereof. I've seen men prepare themselves in so many ways. One seasoned operator astounded me. He would spend four straight days with his wife and kids doing weekend stuff then fly off to some of the toughest shit I'd ever heard of. Somehow, he was totally the same guy when he got back. Strong, loving, and dedicated. His support system was set up in a way that his professional life and his personal life were completely seperated. I think what made him one of the best was that no matter what he was doing he was strong, loving, and dedicated. He loved his enemies. The work he did was clean and precise. The life he lived was not much different.

I seemed to have rambled for quite some time here, but many could write and have written volumes on the mindset and life path of heroes and villians. Many will never know the victories and failings of people in harms way. And few will only glimpse the horror that infects the hearts, minds and souls of these people.

Tips for those who've never been over the wire: Encourage rather than criticize. Empathize rather than sympathize. Listen rather than talk. Offer an ear rather than beer.

Okay. Shutting up now.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 8:42 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

I was with you all the way up to the beer. But seriously. I hope you and CMH and Kelkhil and a few of the others past and present know where you fall on my own list of heroes. I hope that I would have "risen to the occasion" had it come down to it, but I have no way of knowing. I do know that I have mourned the deaths of "insignificant" bugs and have killed other critters indescrimantly. Am I a Jeckyll/Hyde? Or just a Jackal Hide?

I love the Lion King. And I love Brother Bear. Of course I love Lady and the Tramp, too, but that's something else entirely. I think there is a lot of truth in what Mav said as far as thrill killing is concerned. What you're describing still has a respect for the Earth and her inhabitants; it's not for "fun", it's about touching something outside of us that is in us, too. Our heritage, our heredity. Reaching back, reaching out. Seeing where they meet and where our place is.

Getting drunk and shooting an animal is not sport. Going to the store is not hunting. Someone still had to kill the food, so maybe it's hunting by proxy. Go Vegans! (Aw c'mon. don't flame me either...!)

Now I am rambling. But isn't rambling just pondering out loud?

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 8:46 AM

See NV that's why I'm comfortable with you and CMH's hunting choices. You're not out there with some macho need to prove something about your masculinity by killing something as a "trophy" You're maintaining your culture and tradtions and he's preparing for war ( not to mention hunting in a far more reasonable way) and saving some poor deer from the agony of starving over months and months ( which is just about the worst death I can think of) so I've no problem.
I agree though. We aren't all going to have the same stance on anything and just being respectful doesn't require you to be in agreement of it or do it yourself, just an understanding that others see things differently which seems to be how Mavoureen and Jonny were viewing it :) Besides if there's an apocalypse I am sticking right close to you and CMH or I'll starve in a week. I'm pretty sure motivating kids and academics are sucky skills in a survival situation

Besides no puppies were killed so obviously Joss wasn't there:)

oh and on a weird note...do you make the bunnies into anything?? I mean like coats and such not radioactive Frankenbunnies.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 9:03 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Going to the store is not hunting. Someone still had to kill the food, so maybe it's hunting by proxy. Go Vegans! (Aw c'mon. don't flame me either...!)

How do you know the carrots and tomatoes don't have feelings too? Even if they don't have a soul, you're still taking away their life. :P

She's not eatin' bacon, not eatin' sausage
and she won't eat eggs,
Not eatin' chicken, not eatin' turkey,
she won't have a steak,
But I just can't help feelin' sorry
for this poor little lettuce head
You know, I can't stop cryin'
'Cause I know this broccoli's dead
Vegetarian, I'm not a vegetarian
Vegetarian...she's a
Poor little cow, little sheep
Little fish how can I sleep?
When carrots are bleedin'
Plants are screamin' and tomatoes cry
You say "it's not so bad
They're only vegetables", that's what she said
Maybe I'm a murderer, but I'm hungry
And they're better off dead
Save a plant, eat a cow
I want beef, I want it now!
I'm gonna eat it cause it's red!
I'm gonna eat it cause it's dead!
maybe I should eat it raw
Let the blood run down my jaw
I'd eat people if it was legal
I'd eat people if it was legal!

(this was an attempt at humor, nothing more)

~jimi
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'cause the Roman Gods up to that point were crap. Jeff, the god of biscuits, and Simon, the god of hair-dos.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 9:09 AM

and a good attempt at humor it was:) I may use it in my poetry class

"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort."- Albright

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Friday, January 5, 2007 9:11 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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I agree though. We aren't all going to have the same stance on anything and just being respectful doesn't require you to be in agreement of it or do it yourself, just an understanding that others see things differently which seems to be how Mavoureen and Jonny were viewing it :) Besides if there's an apocalypse I am sticking right close to you and CMH or I'll starve in a week. I'm pretty sure motivating kids and academics are sucky skills in a survival situation

oh and on a weird note...do you make the bunnies into anything?? I mean like coats and such not radioactive Frankenbunnies.

Just want to be extremely clear here. My not hunting is strictly a personal choice. I do not like sauerkraut, but I have nothing against eating it or other people who do. (Although I strongly suspect there is something wrong with them on some level...)

Frankenbunnies! I love it! I have the best weird friends in the universe, 'Verse included!

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 9:15 AM

msg, I appreciate the fact that you pointed out the respect part. That's the main reason I hang here - I've met oodles of people who think very differently than me and I've learned a lot about all sides of issues.

Hunting in this day and age is a sticky sticky Ponder. You're either for it or against it. Husband is for it. Whenever he goes out, I am sure to call after him "Have fun hunting, don't kill anything!"

As far as sticking with the hunters....I sheepishly have to agree with you. Husband taught winter survival at Bridgeport, CA for the Marine Corps so I know I've got at least one self sufficient person on my side.

However, as Cheez-its are God's Perfect Food, and they do not roam free, I am sure to be the first up against the wall when the Apocalypse comes.

A hug for everyone. One for those who agree, and one for those who agree to disagree.

To lighten the mood :

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:12 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
As far as sticking with the hunters....I sheepishly have to agree with you. Husband taught winter survival at Bridgeport, CA for the Marine Corps so I know I've got at least one self sufficient person on my side.

OH, SHAT!! You never told me he was a Marine!!
Uh, Mr. Husband, sir, I just want you to know I have never said anything inappropriate to your Missus either intentionally or unintentionally, and even though she is hot I will never mention it to her or you or anyone in the locker.

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However, as Cheez-its are God's Perfect Food, and they do not roam free, I am sure to be the first up against the wall when the Apocalypse comes.

They are better than bananas. And they're orange.

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:16 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:

How do you know the carrots and tomatoes don't have feelings too? Even if they don't have a soul, you're still taking away their life. :P

I have often wondered about this. And who says they don't have souls?

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:34 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Just want to be extremely clear here. My not hunting is strictly a personal choice. I do not like sauerkraut, but I have nothing against eating it or other people who do. (Although I strongly suspect there is something wrong with them on some level...)

There are two things in the world that I cannot eat without sauerkraut, reubens and brats. It's just not the same.

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However, as Cheez-its are God's Perfect Food,

Amen, sister!

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:

How do you know the carrots and tomatoes don't have feelings too? Even if they don't have a soul, you're still taking away their life. :P

I have often wondered about this. And who says they don't have souls?

You know, they just might have souls. Every time you eat a mouthfull of peas, think about their little voices crying out in protest as you genocidally chew them to bits.

~jimi
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'cause the Roman Gods up to that point were crap. Jeff, the god of biscuits, and Simon, the god of hair-dos.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:36 AM

You're a hoot, JQ.

Yep, I gotta Jarhead at home. He swears he still has a 32 inch waist, but I've been buying 36 inch underwear
for him for years and ripping out the tags.
But a Marine nonetheless.
Of interesting historical note: Before being posted to Bridgeport, Husband was one of those Marines in Panama who
blasted Twisted Sister into Noriega's compound for 3 days.

Hugs, everyone. After struggling with fff.net for over an hour, I can post a farewell. Off to drop some things off at Goodwill, then to get pampered at my nail place.

msg- check out http://stuffonmycat.com/

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:36 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

In theory is not a soul the reining energy of a being? (For me) Everything is made up of living energy.
I've heard it said recently that it is better to focus less on what you can control or acquire and more on what you leave behind. Isn't that what people should be more preoccupied with?

On the fun side, no MSG. No Frankenbunnies, Bunnies are chased into nets three to four feet high strung anywhere from a quarter mile to two miles wide (depending on the size of the hunting party). Duch hunting is similar except the nets are strung on short poles above the water. The animals are chased into the nets and the real work starts.

Love the "Wok" pic Mav.

JQ- Maybe thats why the Killer Tomatoes were so ruthless.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 10:49 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Howdy, all!

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I brought up the question on the last thread of what singular accomplishment have people been putting off for a long time that they still really want to do.

I don't think I've lived long enough to give a good answer to this one. There are lots of things I want to do - travel abroad (while helping people), um... learn about everything (and I do mean everything) I can - but, there aren't really any that I can say I've been putting off for a long time, mostly because I haven't had them as goals for very long (a year or two at most).

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At what age would you allow your children to start dating, and would you set the age at different levels for boys and girls?

Oh, that's just another reason why I'm not having kids.

I think my views on hunting have been covered rather well by Mavourneen.

Rules on voting here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=22892

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Friday, January 5, 2007 11:01 AM

KEVINGREY

On the dating question, I don’t set specific age limits, boys or girls. Currently, I have three boys, oldest is 17. Though they are living with their mother at the moment, we have switched custody from time to time over the years. But I can’t see as I would be any different with a girl.

My mother raised me, single parent fashion; I have no siblings. She did so in a manner of mutual respect and trust and let me set the guidelines for when I was ready for things. Talk of birds and the bees, etc. She was exceedingly open on any topic and I never felt judged or mis-trusted, which means that I probably shared more with her than most teenage boys would have and I always felt as if I had someone I could talk to about issues when I had them.

I happily gave away my virginity at 13 (She was 19 and through an earlier accident, unable to bear children). Had a rather active teenage sex-life, though quietly and unobtrusively so and to judge from what I’ve heard, not over-active in any way. I didn’t get anyone pregnant till I was 23 and in a relationship, never had even a case of the crabs. I think the respect and trust my mother showed me was translated into a desire to be cautious on my part and to take to heart what I felt were the important things she imparted to me with regards to love, relationships and sex. Mainly because I wanted to preserve the trust and respect I received from her.

So far, this same idea has seemed to work with my own children. I offer advice when asked. Impart my own ideas without stressing them as the end-all-be-all of morals or ethics and offer trust and respect to them and their own sense of when they are ready to explore something for themselves.

I’m not positive as to the sexual activity of my sons, though I’m fairly certain two of them have at least experimented in this regard. No one has gotten anyone pregnant. No social diseases I am aware of and they seem happy and well-adjusted, as far as I can ascertain, emotionally, socially, sexually.

As far as hunting goes, I used to bow hunt wild pig in Florida, where I am from and Georgia, after I moved there in the Army. After hunting people, in the Army however, I found that pig just wasn’t the sport it used to seem. Of course, killing people is no fun, since they are usually trying to do the same to you at that point and whoever wins, someone loses.

However, paint-balling rocks and is sufficient to satisfy my desire for challenge in this regard. Pigs are kinda dumb and easy to catch. Though, using a bow sometimes makes it more interesting. Being charged by a pissed off boar tends to wake one up rather quickly.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 11:10 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
You're a hoot, JQ.

Yep, I gotta Jarhead at home. He swears he still has a 32 inch waist, but I've been buying 36 inch underwear
for him for years and ripping out the tags.
But a Marine nonetheless.

Of interesting historical note: Before being posted to Bridgeport, Husband was one of those Marines in Panama who
blasted Twisted Sister into Noriega's compound for 3 days.

Hugs, everyone. After struggling with fff.net for over an hour, I can post a farewell. Off to drop some things off at Goodwill, then to get pampered at my nail place.

When you get back...

Damn. For a minute there I thought you said "hot"...

Cuttin' tags, huh? I have a ponderable fer next week about Truth in Relationships, and yes I know it's been done before.

Blasting Noriega with Twisted Sister!! Awesome!! God, three days? I think I would have left...

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
JQ- Maybe thats why the Killer Tomatoes were so ruthless.

And don't forget It Conquered the World:

"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Friday, January 5, 2007 12:16 PM