Firefly Reference in Star Trek? by ShinyDS

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Firefly Reference in Star Trek?

POSTED BY: SHINYDS
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 15:40
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Monday, January 29, 2007 6:42 PM

I happened to catch an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise tonight called "Shuttlepod One" in which a Vulcan character meets with a lieutenant is talking to a Vulcan named T’Pol. He asks her if he can call her by her first name, and she allows him to. In return, she asks the same of him. He responds that he doesn't like his name, Malcolm, because it sounds too stuffy. She replies that she likes his name, because in her language, "mol-kom" means "serenity." Could this possibly be a reference or homage to Firefly? Or vice versa. I don't know when this particular word was made up. I believe, the episode was made after both Serenity and Firefly. But that Vulcan word may have originated before then. I don't know. I just thought it was really interesting.

--SDS

"Wherever we want to go, we'll go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails. That's what a ship needs but what a ship is... what the Black Pearl really is... is freedom."
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Monday, January 29, 2007 6:44 PM

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

that's really cool, even if it is just a coincidence

Why is the rum always gone?

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Monday, January 29, 2007 6:45 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Oooooh, I wonder if that's where Joss got Mal's name? Sci-fi geek that he is...

I'm betting this came first, but I'm not a trekkie. I know there are some about, though, so maybe they can tell us?

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Monday, January 29, 2007 6:57 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL

Enterprise debuted in 2001. Sorry. The episode was on the air before Firefly was shot. Neat catch though.

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Monday, January 29, 2007 7:05 PM

SHINYDS

Ok, that's a good point. One question is which came first, this particular episode or Firefly. I don't know which season it's from. I really just caught it when I was flipping channels. The second question is when this particular word was coined. I don't know much about how/wen Vulcan was created and whether or not there is a so-called "Neo-Vulcan" like there is with Tolkien's Quenya and Black Speech. According to a site I found just now, the episode was originally aired 2/13/2002. But that still leaves the question about the Vulcan language. I'm not a hardcore Trekkie, so I don't know. I'd appreciate anything anyone could give me, though. It's a very interesting coincidence.

"Wherever we want to go, we'll go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails. That's what a ship needs but what a ship is... what the Black Pearl really is... is freedom."
--Capt. Jack Sparrow

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Monday, January 29, 2007 7:09 PM

THATWEIRDGIRL

I think Enterprise came first. I don't know much about the Vulcan language, so I couldn't say how developed it is. I have my Klingnon dictionary in the other room though.

I think Joss chose Malcolm because he liked it. Mal is bad in Latin, heh. Dunno though. I guess it's possible he saw that episode, but I never pegged him as an Enterprise fan. I think the show was already shopped by then anyway.

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Monday, January 29, 2007 8:16 PM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by ShinyDS:
I happened to catch an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise tonight called "Shuttlepod One" in which a Vulcan character meets with a lieutenant is talking to a Vulcan named T’Pol. He asks her if he can call her by her first name, and she allows him to. In return, she asks the same of him. He responds that he doesn't like his name, Malcolm, because it sounds too stuffy. She replies that she likes his name, because in her language, "mol-kom" means "serenity." Could this possibly be a reference or homage to Firefly?

--SDS

I saw that too , and immediately got a bolt of excitement from it . It may be a coincidence , 'cause this is a first season show , but it's a very cool one...

Would be a good question for Joss .

Maybe he was watching this episode or its first re-run when he was sitting down to write Firefly , and he just picked up on that as an homage to the Trekkers that have gone before...

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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:40 PM

CYBERSNARK

Well, Nathan has admitted that his favourite Trek character is T'Pol. Though Malcolm "Kaptain Kaboom" Reed and Jayne would probably get along quite well.

And the Vulcan language was never really that developed until Enterprise. Remember that the first Vulcan Star Trek ever showed us was a half-human living among humans. All we ever heard was a few random words and phrases. The Enterprise writers probably made up that term on the spot.

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