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Imponderable Water Cooler- Sea of Love

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Monday, February 5, 2007 7:22 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


I had to add this. A friend from Hotel 23 posts Zombie and post apocolyptic themed poetry and really dug on the fact I would send him an FF set to pass around.

http://www.tacticalunderground.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2577&start=20

He's written a small piece and given me a small nod for the gesture. Call me a puss but I feel a little inflated over this.



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Monday, February 5, 2007 7:33 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by RugBug:
Fictional Crushes:
1. Mal
2. Mulder
3. Aragorn
4. Max (not going to identify the show...it's a tad embarrassing)
5. Angel: the early years
Honorable Mention: Wesley: the later years


Hmmm...Possible embarrasing Max's...
Lionel Stander - Hart To Hart


Max Headroom


Jessica Alba - Dark Angel


Angel on the Rockford Files?

Wesley Crusher?


Oh, Buffy/Angel-Angel and Buffy-Wesley!


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 7:41 AM

RUGBUG


JQ: you get a "heh". Yes, Whedon's Angel and Wesley.

Max is still a mystery.

Oh, I want to add Daniel Craig to my list. He's yummy. I've only seen him in Layer Cake and that was enough get me hooked.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 7:44 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by JamesTheDark:
Rickman has the outrageous accent!


Basically the only thing about him that does anything for me. I'm sure everyone knows how auditory I am, but he's still way too old for me, and I find him the anti-sexy as Snape (but adored him as the Metatron) but then, I hate Snape. Cuz it's Snape.
What can I say? I pull for the good guys and am never fascinated by the bad guys.


I'm all kinds of minority 'round here, aren't I?

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Monday, February 5, 2007 7:58 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


1. Dr. Hannibal Lecter
2. Norman Bates
3. Darth Vader
4. The Wicked Witch of the West
5. Nurse Ratched
46? Hans Gruber

The American Film Institute got it so very wrong. When I saw Die Hard the very first time and watched Rickman's performance, I said this is the very essence of evil. Nobody comes close except Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal, but really he's the protagonist even if we don't want to admit it. (witness the success of Dexter...) I don't know if I like Snape or not. Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy? At least with Hannibal I'm sure he's a bad guy, I just want him to win...!

Okay kids. I've trying to take a nap for hours now. See you sometime again soon.



"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

VINTERDRAKEN


Thanks for the mail Jonny, and to answer it. Im sorta still around here. I somehow manage to do nothing and yet not have any time over ;)
Hey to rest of you sweet folks to. Hope ill be back soon.


You can’t stop the Signal.
Keep spreading the word about Firefly!

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:54 AM

MSG


good to see you Vinterdraken:) HUGS

Jonny- hope you have a good nap sweety

PR- see I keep telling the guys I know that there are women who appreciate "nice guys" now when they say oh yeah like who I can say YOU.

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs



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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:05 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Now we're talking about crushes, which is weird, because I'm on both teams and yet neither at the same time (which is funny, because it sounds like we're talking about soccer). And I have too many "crushes" to list, so I'll just ditto everyone else's lists.

::goes over to James' Sulking Corner, clutching a box of Kleenex::


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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:12 AM

MSG


See crushes are fun. It's like romance without the who sticky confusing frustration that comes with real romance:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs



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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:18 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER






The yet to be named weapon of choice on the PB field. Any suggestions?



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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:25 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


Yup. But, I just thought of something. Any particular reason they're called crushes? Because it's crushing to realize you'll never be with them, or what?

NVG - Paully? I got nothing...

P.S. My math teacher looks like James Caviezel. Word.




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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:28 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Quote:

Originally posted by nvghostrider:


The yet to be named weapon of choice on the PB field. Any suggestions?



Alison.

Why?

"My Aim is True."

Gawds, I love Elvis Costello.


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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:34 AM

RUGBUG


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:

Alison.

Why?

"My Aim is True."

Gawds, I love Elvis Costello.




Oooooh, good name. (and song. )

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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:49 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER


I love it. Looks like choice number one. Any others?

Gotta leave for lunch, (woo hoo!) Still not smoking. It ain't so bad.



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Monday, February 5, 2007 10:03 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


The only decent name along those lines I can think of is Annie (Oakley), but it's cheesy.

I'm glad I don't name things.


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Monday, February 5, 2007 10:16 AM

MSG


I would suggest "The Samaritan" 'cause I love Hellboy

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs



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Monday, February 5, 2007 11:26 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"





G'Mornin'. What did I miss?
Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
I would suggest "The Samaritan" 'cause I love Hellboy


Good one! All I could come up with was "Kong"; maybe not "cheezy" per se but not original by any stretch.

So Hellboy makes me gotta ask, how come Ron Perlman didn't make anyone's list. Classically "handsome"? No, but agin I think he's got that presence y'all keep talkin' about.


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 11:40 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Good luck on the non-smoking, NVG. It's great you're sticking to it!

As for the gun... I think Hell's Kitten is a great name for a gun. As long as our own Hell's Kitten doesn't take offence? Is that okay with you, Ninja Kitty?




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Monday, February 5, 2007 11:50 AM

MSG


He's on my sub list ...you know the if one of these crushes are unable to fulfill their obligation the sub crush will step in:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs



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Monday, February 5, 2007 11:50 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Good luck on the non-smoking, NVG. It's great you're sticking to it!

As for the gun... I think Hell's Kitten is a great name for a gun. As long as our own Hell's Kitten doesn't take offence? Is that okay with you, Ninja Kitty?


Well she is a pistol. (Geez, I hope that doesn't mean anything bad outside the US...)


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 12:04 PM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Nope, pistol means a fiesty lady. Sounds like our hellkitty!

Transatlantic slang terms can be tricky though. I got into trouble on another board when I asked a poster if his pencil was one of those ones with a rubber on the end. A rubber is what we call an eraser! That's all! And sometimes a pencil is just a pencil.




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Monday, February 5, 2007 12:19 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Nope, pistol means a fiesty lady. Sounds like our hellkitty!

Transatlantic slang terms can be tricky though. I got into trouble on another board when I asked a poster if his pencil was one of those ones with a rubber on the end. A rubber is what we call an eraser! That's all! And sometimes a pencil is just a pencil.





LOL! (and I hardly ever LOL at a computer screen) That is great!


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Monday, February 5, 2007 12:23 PM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


See, I *totally* didn't get it. And the moderator went *nuts* and wiped the post and lectured me about responsibility and little kiddies who could be reading and I was all "What??? What??? What did I do???"

I was paranoid for weeks after that. But I checked and they *never* referred to rubbers in any episode of Buffy up until then (mid season six) or after that I know. Or Angel or any other US show I watched. Which wasn't much, but still. I'm not responsible for slang terms that aren't broadcast here!




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Monday, February 5, 2007 12:28 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"




Imagine getting so bent out of shape about an overshoe...


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 1:34 PM

MSG


LOL DTH that is hilarious!!! I am now wracking my brain for other slang that could get you in trouble.
Ok you do know that the word queer in US refers to someone's sexual orientation right? Oh and the word fanny means your behind( rear end/best part on Mal) since for you it has a slightly different meaning:) I'll see if I can think of more for you

HUGS to you all and I am out for the night and off home to cook a meal and do a ton of laundry:)

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Monday, February 5, 2007 1:37 PM

HELL'S KITTEN


Hallo!
Quote:

Originally posted by msg:
Alan Rickman- because anyone who can make evil that elegant and seductive deserves makes me swoon!!

*Purrrrs*
Well put, MsG.
Age doesn't matter; I value experience.
Quote:

Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
As for the gun... I think Hell's Kitten is a great name for a gun. As long as our own Hell's Kitten doesn't take offence? Is that okay with you, Ninja Kitty?

*snikker* That is a lovely name, DTH. And as a nickname, she could be called "Sara Jane." *giggles*
Quote:

Originally posted by yinyang:
Now we're talking about crushes, which is weird, because I'm on both teams and yet neither at the same time (which is funny, because it sounds like we're talking about soccer).

I might have more female crushes than what I'm immediately aware of, but this is the one that always comes to mind first - Nicole Kidman. And it's less a "crush" than it is... well... "ooooooohhhhhhh.....!":


Fake crushes:
Hm, there are many: Wolverine, Snape (ala Rickman, as he seems different than the books), Jayne, Urahara, Kyoya, Chief Tyrol (BSG), Spike Spiegel... ssshhhhhh!!! hush!! shut up! I can't help it! *snikker*

Real crushes:
There are a couple guys at work... *school-girl tee hee*

I guess I don't really have any other crushes on "celebrities" -- WHOOPS! other than this one guy, but nevermind, yeah let's get right past that, ERK! and a tiiiiny crush on Neil Gaiman but that's cuz he was such a sweetheart at lunch and stuff, but really, now, let's move on -- because I don't know 'em well enough to develop any sort of emotional opinion about them aside from what their characters present.

Random:
I had a cup and a half of green tea today. And now I find my mind wanders back to wanting the taste again.

Somewhat random but based on previous comment somewhere here...:
Never let it be said that vintage under-garments (ala Mamie Eisenhower) were/are not hawt --
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eyecandyforthebrokenhearted/5046308/

Cheers,
Sara

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Monday, February 5, 2007 1:39 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


Yeesh. I don't know about naming after a woman I respect but hardly know. HK is a fitting name though. As for Samaritan; I too am big, red, mean, and a smart ass. Might be a good option also.

ADD: Sara Jane you say. Seems to be a very fitting name. Strong and cute. I like it.



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Monday, February 5, 2007 2:22 PM

ODDSBODSKINS


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Hallo!and a tiiiiny crush on Neil Gaiman but that's cuz he was such a sweetheart at lunch and stuff, but really, now, let's move on




you had LUNCH with NEIL GAIMAN!?


*sulks*

how come i dun't get ta do that...

Gods are great. But the heart is greater, for it is from the heart they come, and to the heart they shall return.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 2:31 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER


I'm out for a day or two. G'night folks.



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Monday, February 5, 2007 3:06 PM

HELL'S KITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
you had LUNCH with NEIL GAIMAN!?

Yeah... and dinner... and stuff...

But! Um! Er....

No. I was going to try to make you feel better, but I got nuthin'.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 4:51 PM

TRAVELER


Hello Desktophippie:

They got on your case about hte word "rubber".

Why our on Public Broadcasting Network has mentioned the word on several occasions and they were talking explicitly about the kind you were blamed for.

Put a helmet on that soldier mister.

They must of been more concerned about you mentioning the word "pencil". Now there is a foul word that should not be tolerated.


Traveler

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Monday, February 5, 2007 4:59 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
you had LUNCH with NEIL GAIMAN!?

*sulks*

how come i dun't get ta do that...


You don't look like HK. (I know, it's a shallow statement; not all truth has to be deep.)

Edit: I like Sara Jane, too. (The name. I mean I like the person, too. Aw forget it.)

HK - slowly the green tea addiction begins, eh? Funny how unlikable it seemed at first, isn't it? Until it insinuates itself into your being.


Traveler! Hello! I was beginning to worry that perhaps the bitter side of this winter had claimed you. Good to have you back.



"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 5:37 PM

JAMESTHEDARK


HK: When you busted out with Chief Tyrol, my respect for you went up two whole pegs. If I was a geek, I'd have had a geekgasm.

I'm just being silly.



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Monday, February 5, 2007 5:40 PM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
I might have more female crushes than what I'm immediately aware of, but this is the one that always comes to mind first - Nicole Kidman. And it's less a "crush" than it is... well... "ooooooohhhhhhh.....!":


Overlay favorite HK face pic.



I thought she was hot in To Die For, but more recently, there's a kind of Michael Jackson thing going on...

(On the other hand, can you imagine the size of Tom Cruises lifts?)


EDIT:
Quote:

Originally posted by JamesTheDark:
HK: When you busted out with Chief Tyrol, my respect for you went up two whole pegs. If I was a geek, I'd have had a geekgasm.


I smell a whole lotta "if" comin' off...this...plan...

"Say goodnight, Jonny."
"Goodnight, Jonny."


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Monday, February 5, 2007 5:57 PM

TRAVELER


Hello JonnyQuest:

My addiction to computer games got the better of me. Damn things take so long to finish. The closer I got the end the more I played. I think I dream about the game in my sleep.

But I am back and trying to catch up.

But I want to talk about slang and the ramifications it causes. Like the word "rubber".

Imagine a fuss over such a word.

But it is late and will go to bed and return Tuesday.

Good night everyone.


Traveler

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 3:04 AM

MAVOURNEEN


Morning, Cooler!

It's a bitterly cold morning - the coldest here in about 10 years. A stunning 6 degrees. Normally there's too much hot air here in DC to get this cold!

Where is everyone this AM?


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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 3:26 AM

DUG


Morning, all.

It's about 20 in the mornings here, though the 40 mile an hour wind makes it feel cold as the grave. The wind is too lazy to go around so it cuts straight through instead.

Our pup likes to have something to chase when she goes out in the morn, whether it be squirrels, deer, imaginaries or even birds in the air. This morning a calf obliged her, so I had to spend 20 minutes running about in my pj's catching the pup and re-re-educating her that bovines are OFF LIMITS. Cold as a witch's anatomy comments were appropriate afterwards.

Got a call on a grandfather clock that needs servicing this week. That's about 4 or 5 times the coin of the mantle clocks I've been working on. WOOT! Now if we can just get Meagen's pendant auctions to actually start SELLING.....Cheap ass pagans.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:15 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Sorry the pretties aren't selling, Dug, but in defense of cheap-ass Pagans everywhere, there are always ten thousand beautiful things for us to spend our limited cashy money on and it's always a difficult choice.
Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Where is everyone this AM?


Well, when you posted this, I was just getting off work. Now I'm home and fed and will hopefully be asleep at a decent time. Though somehow I doubt the PUSF will let me...

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:39 AM

DUG


I hear what you're saying about all of the pretties available, PR. But I see far too many of us payiong way too much for low-grade pewter or badly made beaded items made in Indian or Pakistani sweat shops. And I hear way too many of us whinging about not being able to afford better and then braying about new video games/ dvd's/ etc. Want something better? Skip a trip to $tarbucks or 2.

Meagen and I try to put aside 3% of our money to buy from Pagan artists/ vendors/ etc. I know that there is no accurate census of any religion in the US, but with what I consider a low estimate of 1 million Pagans do some math....that's something like 1 out of every 270 people in the US. Even if every one of us were at poverty level we're talking billions of dollars in our economy. Do you think Barnes and Nobles stocks all those books for just a handfulk of people? 4 or 5 years ago a B&N rep estimated the buying Pagan populations of the US and Canada at 9 million people. We just like to talk and act as if we're few and powerless.

Sorry about the rant. I get fired up on this issue....

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 5:39 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


Quote:

Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Where is everyone this AM?


I'm here, milady.
Quote:

Originally posted by dug:
Got a call on a grandfather clock that needs servicing this week. That's about 4 or 5 times the coin of the mantle clocks I've been working on. WOOT!


Happy for your WOOT!
Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Though somehow I doubt the PUSF will let me...


You really need to, um, do something about that. Soon. I know it won't help but if/when you do nod off, I hope it's sweet and peaceful.


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:02 AM

MSG


OK this thread has gotten unwieldly and all so I am starting a new one...here we go

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=26929



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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:02 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


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Originally posted by dug:
I hear what you're saying about all of the pretties available, PR. But I see far too many of us payiong way too much for low-grade pewter or badly made beaded items made in Indian or Pakistani sweat shops. And I hear way too many of us whinging about not being able to afford better and then braying about new video games/ dvd's/ etc. Want something better? Skip a trip to $tarbucks or 2.

Meagen and I try to put aside 3% of our money to buy from Pagan artists/ vendors/ etc. I know that there is no accurate census of any religion in the US, but with what I consider a low estimate of 1 million Pagans do some math....that's something like 1 out of every 270 people in the US. Even if every one of us were at poverty level we're talking billions of dollars in our economy. Do you think Barnes and Nobles stocks all those books for just a handfulk of people? 4 or 5 years ago a B&N rep estimated the buying Pagan populations of the US and Canada at 9 million people. We just like to talk and act as if we're few and powerless.


I don't go to fucking Starbucks, I don't buy cheap beaded jewelry or pewter, and I don't act like I'm powerless. I drink tea that's $2 a pot, and I buy very fine silver and gold jewelry. I own six pentacles, two cauldrens, a pendulum, a bird goddess pendent, a spiral goddess pendent, two yinyangs, two ankhs, several beautiful and powerful stones and crystals, and a phoenix or two, and all of them were high quality, meditated on, and make me a happy witch. My wand is a gold-plated rose and I have a second wand of goldstone. There are still dozens of stones, necklaces, rings, candles, oils, clothes, knives, chalices, and on and on and ON that I would like to have, and the thing that pisses me off the most is that our books are in the fucking New Age section and I have to fight for and explain about my sacred days in order to get any of them off. I am treated as if I'm a powerless minority; I don't act it. Not ever.

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:09 AM

DUG


And that's why I love you.

PLEASE don't think I was talking about you. I was talking about a lot of other people who can't tell quantity from quality and seem to be proud of it. It's a long time rant I've had about the Pagan community and its apparent refusal to be a community.

BTW, what makes me even madder than the New Age section is when the books are in with the hobbies. What exactly does my religion have to do with pet care and vintage tractors? And if my religion is a hobby why aren't the books in the "Religion" section counted as such?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:18 AM

JONNYQUEST

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"


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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
...and the thing that pisses me off the most is that our books are in the fucking New Age section and I have to fight for and explain about my sacred days in order to get any of them off. I am treated as if I'm a powerless minority; I don't act it. Not ever.


You're sexy when you get your back up...! *nervously looks about for Nico* I mean that in the most platonic way possible...


"Well, here I am...Does that seem right to you?"

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 6:43 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
You're sexy when you get your back up...! *nervously looks about for Nico* I mean that in the most platonic way possible...



You're funny when you're nervous.
Don't worry, though. Nic hasn't blasted anyone with the firehose (yet) and I think he knows I can take care of myself. Hmmmm, wonder what would happen if I asked him to turn the hose on someone... *snicker*
Glad you weren't talking about me, Dug. Didn't really think you were, but me is the only one I can defend. Though I think my friends Cara and Bryce would have a few things to say, too.

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