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Originally posted by msg:
Just like any other Christian religion they view homosexuality as a sin.

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Originally posted by WhoDied:
As with this site, on occasion, cliques of regular posters sometimes work each other up into a frenzy, like berzerkers, and collectively acheive a fanatic concensus that few members would agree with when spoken to singly.

One little bomb gets dropped and the next thing you know, it's raining like a plane load of ping-pong balls at a Captian Kangaroo convention.

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Also Mozel tov!

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Originally posted by Agatsu:
I don't believe in any god, but I still consider myself to be a good person - and I don't have any rule book to follow, only my heart. Should I be proven wrong after all and it turns out there IS a god, he can hardly be mad at me, now can he. Too many people are using religion as an excuse for their sh*t and interpreting religious text to fit their agendas and believes. I don't have that excuse, and I don't want to have it. The people whose paths I cross in life are the judges of me, not some god after I die.
Now picture yourself being born into ANY religion, and you disagree with one of the rules (e.g.: gays=bad). Do you change your religion? Nope, you ignore that rule but don't make a big fuzz about it because you don't want any trouble with your fellow worshippers.
On a side note, you can chose your religion, but you can't chose your sexual orientation. Just an observation.

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Originally posted by Shannara:
equating his hatred for homosexuals with their hatred of him is complete and utter nonsense.

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Within the Church, the young person who experiments with homosexual behavior should be counseled with, not excommunicated. But as the adolescent moves into adulthood and continues to engage in sinful practices far beyond the level of experimentation, then the consequences within the Church must grow more severe and more long-lasting; unfortunately, they may also be more public as well.

This applies also to the polity, the citizens at large. Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.

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For it is within science fiction fandom that an entirely new system of critical thought emerged, and even though nowadays the ludicrously inappropriate university-born critical theories are being force-fit onto science fiction, the fact remains that science fiction grew up as a genre in a vibrant critical community consisting of the convention-going, fanzine-publishing readers who shaped the many views of what made this story good and that one bad.
Largely ignored by nonparticipants, science fiction fandom became a self-aware literary community that was far more adaptive, effective, and creative than the one that ossified in the universities during the same period.

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Originally posted by Tholo:
It's alway easier ingnore GOD than it is to find him, even for someone like Mal. He had faith but found it easier to loose it then to keep it.

I guess it's a challenge that some people cant take on without destroying it. People alway fear what they dont understand.

Keep your faith, help those you can and for the rest I quote Duke Nukem "Let God sort'em out!"

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Keep Flying!!

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Why can't the Whedonesquers respect Orson Scott Card for his contributions to modern science fiction, even if they disagree with his view on homosexuality?

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Originally posted by zeitgeist:
I understand having an emotional reaction to something you read/see, but please, take a deep breath and read the thread again. And for anyone reading this thread, please read the thread for yourself and see what was actually said and by whom. OSC is welcome in any clubhouse I hang out in any time.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
It's certainly not just Whedonesque...here at FFF we have plenty of our own folks who mock & ridicule ANYTHING resembling traditional & conservative thought. Seems like if you're not out there demonstrating with a sign that says " We hate war criminal & liar Bush's war for oil, or We support illegal alien homosexuals, or Republicans are poisoning the world, or America is the worst country in the world....if you're not a kool-aid drinking, fringe-left web-site indoctrinated mindless lemming....well you get hammered pretty hard right here at FFF just like you saw at Whedonesque.

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Again, ShinyEd, I must ask...where's the tolerance in that? ...Speaking for no one but myself, I tend to stay out of the RWED because of the casual disregard for other people's viewpoints that is down there.

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Again, ShinyEd, I must ask...where's the tolerance in that? A liberal Browncoat and a Conservative Browncoat and a Mormon Browncoat and a Wiccan Browncoat are all wearing the same color. It is why we are here, on this site.

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
It's certainly not just Whedonesque...here at FFF we have plenty of our own folks who mock & ridicule ANYTHING resembling traditional & conservative thought. Seems like if you're not out there demonstrating with a sign that says " We hate war criminal & liar Bush's war for oil, or We support illegal alien homosexuals, or Republicans are poisoning the world, or America is the worst country in the world....if you're not a kool-aid drinking, fringe-left web-site indoctrinated mindless lemming....well you get hammered pretty hard right here at FFF just like you saw at Whedonesque.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
.... There is a way out of the trouble though, you can always forget your conservative ideology, every conservative value, and all the common sense your parents instilled in you {or you picked up along the way} and become a blabbering liberal sheeple. Then you could happily move to San Francisco and become a bath-house attendant with a lisp.

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Originally posted by Causal:
Wait--are you saying that some hatred is justified and not others? Or that to hate someone back for hating you is "the reciprocity of a reaver wanna-be?"

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
It's certainly not just Whedonesque...here at FFF we have plenty of our own folks who mock & ridicule ANYTHING resembling traditional & conservative thought. Seems like if you're not out there demonstrating with a sign that says " We hate war criminal & liar Bush's war for oil, or We support illegal alien homosexuals, or Republicans are poisoning the world, or America is the worst country in the world....if you're not a kool-aid drinking, fringe-left web-site indoctrinated mindless lemming....well you get hammered pretty hard right here at FFF just like you saw at Whedonesque.

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Shinyed, what you just wrote is so true. Just ask Auraptor. There is a way out of the trouble though, you can always forget your conservative ideology, every conservative value, and all the common sense your parents instilled in you {or you picked up along the way} and become a blabbering liberal sheeple. Then you could happily move to San Francisco and become a bath-house attendant with a lisp.

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