Heroes, Heroes, Heroes... by HeWhoKicksAlot

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

Yeah, I was a little disappointed to see the dark turn Matt's taken in the last five years. I understand that desperate times call for the same measures, but our boy seems to be taking it a bit far...

And our boy Sylar, always showing up at the damndest times as the damndest people. Must have performed his infamous craniotomy on shape-shifty girl...

Rob O.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 4:27 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Most surprising of all was Hiro's task has finally been confirmed.

Which raises some interesting questions. Did future Hiro know the truth? Did he understand how is tampering with the timeline changed events? It seems likely that he did. Why didn't he tell past Hiro what really must be done?

Why wasn't future Hiro killed in the blast with Ando?

Doesn't Sylar resemble something of the Mule from Asimov's Foundation trilogy?

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 4:33 PM

FOLLOWMAL

This show continues to make me clap my hand over my mouth and mutter "Wow, just wow!!"

I just love Hiro and it was so exciting to see him different tonight.

This show is the shiniest since Firefly in my book, with BSG a close second.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 4:34 PM

FOLLOWMAL

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Doesn't Sylar resemble something of the Mule from Asimov's Foundation trilogy?

AH HA! That is what he reminds me of!!!

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Monday, April 30, 2007 4:36 PM

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

Well, it wouldn't be the first time Hiro and Ando were separated. Perhaps Hiro was off on one of his missions...

And, yes, I think Hiro is finally realizing the implications of messing with the timeline, though now he HAS to go back and fix it.

Of course, tonight's episode was in away, entirely hypothetical, one possible timeline...

Rob O.

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Monday, April 30, 2007 5:54 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

I've been typing up a storm at the 9th wonders board, I'm nearly Heroe'd out, but we covered a lot of topics.

I was saying Matt's sudden change in the 5 years from easy going pushover cop to asshole of the future seemed to big a turnaround. As someone said, things couldn't have been so harsh (his wife leaving with his son, the bomb) couldn't, shouldn't be enough to change him. So there's something that happened we don't know about, that maybe (if Hiro changes the future for the better) we may never see. Hopefull the comic will cover that.

It was already called on 9th Wonders that Sylar was Nathan in disguise using Candy's power. I scoffed at it because it sounded so implausible, till I really looked at the previews closely and Nate's one line (that you see in my sig) to Claire seemed off, and wrong. It sounded like a person who truly was a narcsissitic sociopath, and sure enough, it was true. And now we see the difference between the two future presidental paintings, one that Issac drew, which clearly shows a tough but gentler Nathan in the White House, and one that Sylar drew, which looked more like the Bizarro Nathan. So amazing how thses little details fit together. Issac's Nathan was Nathan, but Sylar's Nathan was him in disguise. Amazing.

Has anyone read the online comics? Especially the one leading up to this episode, it actually explains a little more what Hiro did and why (they covered it again in the episode but the comic answers a few more questions) And the whole disruption of time and space thing was probably what prevented him from going to see himself, that doesn't explain his past meeting his future, but hey, I'm willing to let my mind stay wide open here.

Favorite line of the night

pHiro to Ando: "I scare me."

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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 1:45 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I definitely did not like the dark side of Matt that we saw in last night's episode, but I suppose that was supposed to be indicative of how dark and desperate the times had become since the bomb went off in NYC. I did nonetheless find myself wishing that either Peter or Hiro would kill him last night.

I did not see the Sylar thing coming until "Nathan" made his comment to her about meeting Candy and then stopped her with his telekinetic power. Seems that twisted bastard has been busy in the last five years. Wish we could have seen Peter smacking him around.

Why do we keep seeing Issac in the flashes of NYC where Peter is going nuclear? Issac is dead. Is it Candy posing as Isaac or is it Sylar after taking Candy's power posing as Isaac? Did the writers screw up and put him in the clip before they killed him? Will Hiro go back in time to save him?

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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 2:26 AM

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

I admit, I didn't realize there were on-line comics. Guess I have some catching up to do. And you're right, Sylar's painting did have a darker tone about it.

At first, during the preview last week, it did appear that perhaps Nathan had just become corrupted by the power he'd attained (presidency), however now his comment makes a lot more sense. Just curious if it was Nathan or Sylar that either convinced or forced Peter to go nuclear in downtown NYC.

Aahh. So much Heroes, so little time.

Rob O.

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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 10:17 AM

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pHiro to Ando: "I scare me."

I preferred Ando's Bill and Ted line.
"Go talk to yourself."

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 2:16 AM

DANIELFYRE

Yes, This ep of heroes was probably the best one to date. Everyone on here thus far has been talking about Matt and Hiro and Nathan but holy crap look at Peter! He's insane very Neo-esque and I love it. That shot where Sylar's and Peter's hands just light up and they rush at each other gave me goosebumps. And one really minor detail that just made me happy was pointed out to me by a friend that Hiro when he first met Peter in the subway said "you look different without your scar." I completely forgot about that and it was just a refrence to an earlier ep that made me happy. The other thing...how could Peter get the scar if he has Claire's healing ability? That made little to no sense to me.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 6:32 AM

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

I, too, love the interplay between Ando and Hiro. It's been one of the light-hearted aspects of the show, the believable relationship between two life-long friends.

As for Peter's change, I liked seeing the way his character changed. He's definitely the tortured good-guy now. As for his scar, who knows? Perhaps he suffered an injury so severe, and perhaps took too long to heal, that it left the scar. Peter vs. Sylar II, maybe. Peter vs. Sylar III was shaping up to be quite the battle-royale, though we didn't get to see it play out. Looked pretty even to me, so far...

Hopefully some of our questions will be answered next week as the Heroes play out the events that led to the "Five Years Ahead" ep.

Rob O.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:20 AM

LEIASKY

I get the feeling that the Save the Cheerleader thing Peter wasn't there for. . . so he doesn't have her healing abilities.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:28 AM

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

Don't forget, he saved her at the Home-coming event. That's where he absorbed her ability. Remember the glass shard through the back of the head, as well as being dropped from the rooftop onto a car? Ouch.

Another note; no Linderman in this last ep, only mention of the Linderman Act. Curiosity...

Rob O.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:13 PM

Regarding Matt, maybe he isn't evil, maybe it's just Sylar using Eden's power on him to persuade him to do all of those things.

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This show is the shiniest since Firefly in my book, with BSG a close second.

I second that.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:18 PM

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Don't forget, he saved her at the Home-coming event. That's where he absorbed her ability. Remember the glass shard through the back of the head, as well as being dropped from the rooftop onto a car? Ouch.

Another note; no Linderman in this last ep, only mention of the Linderman Act. Curiosity...

Rob O.

I think Leiasky was commenting on why Peter had the scar in the alternate future, because in that future's past he may not have been at the homecoming.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:23 PM

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Regarding Matt, maybe he isn't evil, maybe it's just Sylar using Eden's power on him to persuade him to do all of those things.

Which is what I said here

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:36 PM

Well, great minds and all that...

Or on second thought, maybe you used your time-warping abilities to travel back in time, post my idea before me and claim it as your own! Diabolical! But we're on to you now, you can expect a visit from Matt very soon.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:37 PM

CAUSAL

The only thing I can't get over is this: if Sylar has been fooling everyone into thinking that he's Nathan, why hasn't he lured Peter into some sub-basement of the White House, clonked him on the back of the head to knock him out, then pulled the old craniotomy on him? Peter is unquestionably the most powerful one of all--how could Sylar have resisted the temptation? Hell, all he'd have to do is "kill him" (like the glass in the skull bit) and take the bit of his brain that governed that? Then Sylar would be all-pwerful: he wouldn't have to kill them himself, just be in the same room with them. Then he could have other people do the dirty work.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by HeWhoKicksAlot:
Don't forget, he saved her at the Home-coming event. That's where he absorbed her ability. Remember the glass shard through the back of the head, as well as being dropped from the rooftop onto a car? Ouch.

Another note; no Linderman in this last ep, only mention of the Linderman Act. Curiosity...

Rob O.

I think Leiasky was commenting on why Peter had the scar in the alternate future, because in that future's past he may not have been at the homecoming.

OK, if Peter didn't make it to homecoming and didn't save Claire, then how on earth was Claire still there 5 years into the future. There is something wrong with this timeline but the show is so awsome I'm totally willing to overlook it.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:47 PM

Causal:

In the current timeline Nathan knows that Sylar didn't explode and hence didn't die, so he's still a threat to Peter. Maybe Nathan made Peter disappear so that Sylar couldn't find him, and Peter's location would be secret (totally secret, not written down anywhere or known to anyone, except maybe Nathan before he lost his brain).

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:51 PM

CAUSAL

Interesting...but that would require them not having any contact at all for a number of years, and I have a hard time believing that. Why might that be the case?

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:54 PM

Maybe Nathan said something like "I contact you, never the other way around." Would obviously be difficult for both of them (emotionally), but I think they knew the risks with Sylar around.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:05 PM

CAUSAL

Well, OK, that's at least plausible. Now I can go back to enjoy the episode!

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:06 PM

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 2:26 PM

It takes all kinds to make the world go ‘round. Unfortunately, some are pedaling in the wrong direction...

Except that, sometime within their... minimalist communication, Sylar got his grubby mitts on Nathan and de-capped him, hence his new flying ability...

It's tough to be the leader of the free world.

Rob O.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:20 PM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

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Maybe Nathan said something like "I contact you, never the other way around."

Yeah, I think this is the most likely scenario. Nathan hid him because of the election and, u know, he exploded and all.

Then over the years, after Nathan was ganked by Sylar, Peter didn't want to talk to him because of his evil decisions. Suresh sure acts surprised to see Peter at the end, like he didn't know he was alive.

As for Sylar, I think he just thought that, since it was not him, Peter died from the explosion.

...or maybe he did find out where Peter was but was afraid of him until he gets Claire’s powers.

...or He's president and that’s got be a cool day job. Maybe he just Let sleeping dogs lie.

But how did Peter get telekinetic powers if he hadn't met up with Sylar over the years at the If not the homecoming. When?

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:46 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Have to comment on some of these questions because it's been heavily discussed on 9th Wonders.

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Why do we keep seeing Issac in the flashes of NYC where Peter is going nuclear? Issac is dead. Is it Candy posing as Isaac or is it Sylar after taking Candy's power posing as Isaac? Did the writers screw up and put him in the clip before they killed him? Will Hiro go back in time to save him?

Keep in mind Peter's dreams aren't really visions of the future like Issac sees it, more interpretive. In one dream Issac is seen holding back Simone, and in another it's shown she dies in the blast. Well Issac was holding back Simone by not telling him he found Peter, and later on she died by gun shots. Both were interpretive and came true. And in the scene where she blows up you'll notice Issac is no longer in the shot, this came true as well since he's dead and won't be there for the final confrontation. And something I just realized, Nathan dies in his dream, and in the 5 year episode we know he was killed by Sylar. Will he still be on the chopping block? We won't know till it happens. You can't take his dreams as exact, because then that means Matt will show up in his cops uniform and Claire will change into her Cheerleaders outfit. And now we know Matt, HRG, and Ted are on their way to NY. From the dreams and visions it looks like things might just come to pass.

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How could Peter get the scar if he has Claire's healing ability? That made little to no sense to me.

This one is obvious, from the blast. I don't care how powerful regeneration is, when you physically implode SOME parts of you are going to not heal.

But there are those who believe we're actually seeing the Peter from fHiro's timline, the original, where Peter never saved Claire and never got her regenerative powers and so aquired the scar (maybe from a fight with Sylar, maybe not) but that makes this timline screwy because now we know Claire lived, and since Peter saved her he should not have the scar. Remember how suprised HRG was when Ando and pHiro told him they knew she was alive. No one had known, he faked her death. So if Claire is alive in this timeline, the fHiro's timeline, how could Peter have a scar? But then fHiro also revealed that by saving Claire the bomb shouldn't go off because he sucessfully killed Sylar, but we know it did by Peter's confession, so if Pete was the one who blew up, again, that would be a hell of a thing to recover from.

I feel like Austin Powers trying to understand time travel.

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Khyron:
Regarding Matt, maybe he isn't evil, maybe it's just Sylar using Eden's power on him to persuade him to do all of those things.

Ok, I mean no disrespect but I get upset when people keep making this mistake. Sylar did not, I repeat DID NOT get Eden's powers, she sacrificed herself so he couldn't get them, that's what that scene was all about, she knew she couldn't kill him so she turned the gun on herself to deny him her abilities, which is a good thing because like Candy's powers they are FAR too powerful. The on-line comic confirms this AND the writers have also (I wish I had a link to that, it may have been in the commentaries) I know people keep thinking Sylar used her voice when he was walking up to Mrs Bennet or when he confronted Peter, but that was merely an effect to show how scary he is. It may be a part of his TK, I don't know for sure but it definately isn't Eden's voice. If you want to know more I suggest you go to the NBC site and backtrack the on-line novels and find the one where HRG goes to talk with her father. (Incidentally it also explains how Sylar was back in his cell after she killed herself.)

Peter however, did aquire her powers, he just doesn't know it yet.

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The only thing I can't get over is this: if Sylar has been fooling everyone into thinking that he's Nathan, why hasn't he lured Peter into some sub-basement of the White House, clonked him on the back of the head to knock him out, then pulled the old craniotomy on him? Peter is unquestionably the most powerful one of all--how could Sylar have resisted the temptation? Hell, all he'd have to do is "kill him" (like the glass in the skull bit) and take the bit of his brain that governed that? Then Sylar would be all-pwerful: he wouldn't have to kill them himself, just be in the same room with them. Then he could have other people do the dirty work.

No one knows where he is, he went underground when his brother revealed the specials existed and started making edicts to round them up and lock them up. I'm sure he tried many times to get Peter alone, but by then Peter was disallusioned and decided to fight for his people against his own brother. Nikki mentioned the war, how they lost. She was surprised to see fHiro at her club, and it was clear from the conversation she and Peter had that he had gone underground. And if you notice Nate/Sylar's face when Matt says his brother came to spring pHiro, it was suprise, and I'd have to watch it again but I'm pretty sure Sylar said he thought Peter was dead. Frankly it isn't hard to believe two brothers not speaking to each other, especially after the one brother turns on you and your kind and brands them anathema. Both going to opposing forces, and Peter realising it's in his own best interrest not to have contact with his brother. And if he felt Nate/Sylar could change back to the good his actions against the specials would have been good enough proof that never was going to happen.

Khyron:

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In the current timeline Nathan knows that Sylar didn't explode and hence didn't die, so he's still a threat to Peter. Maybe Nathan made Peter disappear so that Sylar couldn't find him, and Peter's location would be secret (totally secret, not written down anywhere or known to anyone, except maybe Nathan before he lost his brain).

I'm pretty sure it was after the explosion, maybe a few weeks or so, that Sylar got to Nathan, by then Nate would be in congress and start making his way to the White House. And remember, Nathan nor anybody besides pHiro and Ando even know Sylar was originally the bomb. And they hadn't fully discussed Sylar and the threat he may pose. Nathan is more focused on his talk with Linderman, and possibly allowing Peter to blow up now that he knows he can survive it. As far as anyone is concerned, Sylar has nothing to do with the bomb, so Nathan wouldn't need to go through hiding Peter. He did say to Nikki (in the future) Nathan used his influence to hide the fact it was Peter who exploded. Now we know Sylar did that to make sure the people believed he had died, and keep Nathan above any consipracy) Only pHiro and Ando know of the heavy involvement of Sylar, and in the previews it already looks like they're taking it in their own hands.

Wow, that's a looot of typing, but I felt the need to respond. Love this thread cause I love my Heroes.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:18 PM

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Ok, I mean no disrespect but I get upset when people keep making this mistake. Sylar did not, I repeat DID NOT get Eden's powers, she sacrificed herself so he couldn't get them, that's what that scene was all about, she knew she couldn't kill him so she turned the gun on herself to deny him her abilities, which is a good thing because like Candy's powers they are FAR too powerful. The on-line comic confirms this AND the writers have also (I wish I had a link to that, it may have been in the commentaries) I know people keep thinking Sylar used her voice when he was walking up to Mrs Bennet or when he confronted Peter, but that was merely an effect to show how scary he is. It may be a part of his TK, I don't know for sure but it definately isn't Eden's voice. If you want to know more I suggest you go to the NBC site and backtrack the on-line novels and find the one where HRG goes to talk with her father. (Incidentally it also explains how Sylar was back in his cell after she killed herself.)

Alright, I didn't read the comics, I just thought the way he spoke to Isaac last week was very Eden-esque. I knew that Eden wanted to sacrifice herself so that he wouldn't get her powers, but how exactly does he get people's powers? Maybe the bits of brain on the wall were enough. But as I said, I didn't read the comics so maybe they aren't.

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And they hadn't fully discussed Sylar and the threat he may pose. [...] As far as anyone is concerned, Sylar has nothing to do with the bomb, so Nathan wouldn't need to go through hiding Peter.

They know about Sylar from a lot of sources and know how powerful he is and what he does. With Peter's power, he'd be virtually unstoppable, and that's why they feel they need to hide Peter, so that they have a better chance of saving the world from Sylar (... after it got blown up). So maybe that decision has got nothing to do with the bomb itself. Of course, that's assuming Nathan was Nathan for a while before Sylar got to him.

EDIT: But I like your idea too, that maybe it was entirely Peter's idea to go underground and Nathan didn't have anything to do with it.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:23 PM

GARIM

Misstressahara: You state that Peter has come in contact with Eden, and acquired her powers of persuasion. When did this happen? I can't remember it.

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Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:33 PM

My first double-post. Ever.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 3:21 AM

FELIXDACAT

Claire/Peter's regenitive power seems to have something to do with the intactness of their brains. Both have been dead, and both came back to life after an object was removed from their brains.
Therefore, in future Hiro's timeline, Claire was not saved by Peter. It is my belief that Sylar's power grabbing abilities stems from the observance of the subject's brain (rather then the ingestion of said brain as was earlier suspected). So, Sylar got Claire's regentitive abilities by looking at her brain and figuring it out. Then he likely tossed it aside. Someone, most likely a desparate Bennett who knew her power, decided to try throwing the brain back in the pan and popping her skull back on her head. Poof, she starts breathing again. He then decides to hide her.
Peter does not get Claire's powers in Texas by saving her, but this does not mean that he doesn't meet her at some point. She is still his neice and his mom still knows this. So he gets her power later. So he gets the scar before he gets her power.
This doesn't explain why President Sylar kills Claire again, unless he just wants to do it and its his favorite way to do it.
And if brain intactness is important to stay alive it doesn't explain how Peter survices his body going nuclear, unless he pushed the explosion out of his body and then flies off before he gets hit by the brunt of the blast.
Mike Myers should do a Heroes cameo, just looking confused for 5 seconds.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 4:15 AM

Going nuclear doesn't seem to damage the exploding man's body. Note that Ted has had several meltdowns and seemed largely intact.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 5:34 AM

FELIXDACAT

Ted has given off radiation, even large amounts of radiation, several times, but he has not yet exploded with the force of an atomic bomb. Without regenitive powers, this would likely kill him.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 6:16 AM

DEWRASTLER

Unless I'm mistaken, Peter hasn't even met Ted yet. That's what needs to be avoided. Peter should look to avoid a man who could explode. Peter never meets Ted, then no bomb. Problem solved.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:22 AM

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It is my belief that Sylar's power grabbing abilities stems from the observance of the subject's brain (rather then the ingestion of said brain as was earlier suspected). So, Sylar got Claire's regentitive abilities by looking at her brain and figuring it out. Then he likely tossed it aside.

Except that Sylar says to Claire that "I don't need any more power, especially not after you" which would seem to imply that he doesn't have Claire's power yet.

Maybe future Hiro had it wrong, maybe after saving Claire he doesn't regenerate but Linderman heals him thinking that Sylar will fulfill his plans better than Nathan.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:39 AM

NAFLM

Off-topic from the timeline continuity, I liked the fact that to use Hiro's powers Peter would squinch his eyes shut the same way that Hiro does. Goes back to the comment he made to Claude that he has to think of the people to use their powers.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 7:56 AM

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Unless I'm mistaken, Peter hasn't even met Ted yet. That's what needs to be avoided.

Exactly, except that Peter's currently in New York, which is where Ted, Matt, and Bennet are heading.

Unless Claire thinks to warn Peter about Ted, no one else even knows about Ted (well, Matt and Bennet, who are with him, Hana, who has her own mission, and FBI-girl, who has no reason to tell Peter anything).

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 8:23 AM

FELIXDACAT

Good point Naflm!
Linderman could be a possible source of Sylar surviving Hiro's blade, especially since he is the most likely reason that Bennett and Eve let Sylar live when they had him.
However, if Peter didn't save Claire in Texas, what could have prevented Sylar from taking her power?
I don't think Sylar's final words to Claire necessarily mean that he did not have her power yet. That scene was the one that made the least sense to me, unless as I said, he just wanted to kill her having failed to do so the first time.

FX

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 8:48 AM

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Have to comment on some of these questions because it's been heavily discussed on 9th Wonders.

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Khyron:
Regarding Matt, maybe he isn't evil, maybe it's just Sylar using Eden's power on him to persuade him to do all of those things.

Ok, I mean no disrespect but I get upset when people keep making this mistake. Sylar did not, I repeat DID NOT get Eden's powers, she sacrificed herself so he couldn't get them, that's what that scene was all about, she knew she couldn't kill him so she turned the gun on herself to deny him her abilities, which is a good thing because like Candy's powers they are FAR too powerful. The on-line comic confirms this AND the writers have also (I wish I had a link to that, it may have been in the commentaries) I know people keep thinking Sylar used her voice when he was walking up to Mrs Bennet or when he confronted Peter, but that was merely an effect to show how scary he is. It may be a part of his TK, I don't know for sure but it definately isn't Eden's voice. If you want to know more I suggest you go to the NBC site and backtrack the on-line novels and find the one where HRG goes to talk with her father. (Incidentally it also explains how Sylar was back in his cell after she killed herself.)

Peter however, did aquire her powers, he just doesn't know it yet.

Misstresshara,

I've noticed these same types of comments on another TV show forum, and have come to expect them from die-hard fans (just like me).

It's not a "mistake" to assume that Sylar has Eden's powers. Regardless of how much it's been discussed on the 9th Wonders board, it's still just a fan-board. All posts on that board are assumptions until TPTB tell us otherwise.

I would love to see the quote where one of the writers or producers state definitively that Sylar never acquired Eden's powers. What we saw in the comic was that Bennet assumes that Sylar did not get her ability. As did we all.

My point is, what is Sylar's original power? His inate ability to see how things work, and if broke, fix them. If Eden shot herself in the head, she surely did alot of damage. But is it unreasonable to believe that Sylar could look at whatever he normally does (even if it is in pieces-parts), and over time figure out how to do it? Nowhere else in the series has Sylar used that voice as he did with Issac, and in my opinion, it was WAAAAY to close to Eden's to be a coincidence. I just think that since her brain was broken, so is his ability to use her powers effectively.

We have to keep perspective that this is a science fiction show, and that none of it is real, therefore anything can happen. Nothing is wrong with anyone's theories unless specifically said so by TPTB. Not everyone will believe the same thing until it becomes canon.

And btw, I value your opinion just as much as my own!

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 10:05 AM

On a completely unrelated note... did anybody else think that Larter's acting was particularly shoddy in this episode? Not that I'm impressed by her anyway, but she was especially bad in this one.

And back to the topic of potential plot holes: Did Parkman never read the president's mind and realise that he's actually Sylar?

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 11:41 AM

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On a completely unrelated note... did anybody else think that Larter's acting was particularly shoddy in this episode? Not that I'm impressed by her anyway, but she was especially bad in this one.

And back to the topic of potential plot holes: Did Parkman never read the president's mind and realise that he's actually Sylar?

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

I thought Claire's acting was a bit worse than Niki's. I thought her accent was horrible, lol.

And I would say one fo the following applies:

1) Matt is partnered with the Hatian, thus maybe the Haitian has orders to prevent Matt from reading Mr. President.

2) Sylar has Eden's Powers, yadda yadda, etc. etc.

3) Parkman knows, and that's why he didn't shoot when Sylar exposed himself to Peter.

Of course, all 3 could be wrong!

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 12:29 PM

That's true, Hayden's performance was also below par. But usually I think she's pretty good so I was willing to let her go on this one, but Larter is mediocre at best.

1) Then the Haitian would have to be around whenever Parkman meets the president, seems unlikely. And if that were the case, he'd have to be in on it, and that's unlikely too.

3) Parkman looked pretty surprised after Nathan/Sylar pulled Peter through the door. I don't think he knew, and I don't think he was watching Sylar expose himself, but I could be wrong. Anyway, him being in cahoots with Sylar seems unlikely. Unless...

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2) Sylar has Eden's Powers, yadda yadda, etc. etc.

Works for me.

Of course, there's option 4... Parkman is thick as a brick.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 12:39 PM

WHOOPS

Because Peter can absorb all Sylars powers so it be impossible for them to kill each other.

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don't love, she'll shake you off sure as a turnin' of worlds. Love keeps her in
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Makes her a home." Mal

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 12:43 PM

It's possible. Peter just needs to stop time, chop Sylar's head off and bury it in the Outback. Sylar problem solved. But I think he wants to kill him in a fair fight, for some deluded reason.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 12:43 PM

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Of course, there's option 4... Parkman is thick as a brick.

Indeed, I forgot that option. And I'm quite willing to accept that!

Parkman's the one chracter that I was really, really pulling for in the beginning of the series, and then last night, I wished a telephone pole would pierce his chest (without a cool mantra).

I mean, I hope he redeems himself. But there's only so much you can blame on dyslexia, ya know?

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 1:49 PM

Is it possible that Sylar just happened to find someone else who had the same power as Eden? I mean, I know the odds are against it, but it is possible.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 3:33 PM

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Is it possible that Sylar just happened to find someone else who had the same power as Eden? I mean, I know the odds are against it, but it is possible.

Well, they hinted in I think the last episode that there are others with same or similar abilities. So I think it's immensely possible.

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Thursday, May 3, 2007 4:29 PM