Why was this show ever cancelled? just finished watching the set by MathewJ

You know, if someone had told me this was a "western" before I watched it, I wouldn't have. I abhor westerns, and haven't watched one since the "Maverick" and "Rawhide" days. Neither do I particularly care for bluegrass/country (aversion therapy courtesy of an ex-spouse).

That's the trouble with "labeling".

That said, I watched the entire series (okay, more than once) without ever connecting the term "western" until I saw it in a review. And by then it was too late; I've become an obsessite.

Firefly isn't strictly a western, it's a beautifully original treatment of a number of different elements, done extremely well so as you don't even think "what?". It has the charm of a Final Fantasy game, the mixture of story and swords and airships and memorable characters that has made that series a standout.

Enough to make you say, "Huh."

Don't tell your friends it's a western. Just tell them to watch, and to close their eyes and listen.

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:15 AM

MATHEWJ

I agree that had I known this had "western" flare I might not have been inclined to watch it, even though in some cases I do enjoy westerns (Clint Eastwood, Toumbstone, the new HBO series). I always thought it was odd that in the future there would be a return to the western way of life, but the more I watched the show the more it grew on me...

I will try and do my best in bringing new people to the show.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:42 AM

TRASK43

I know its been talked about before but I think overall the main problem the show had is its just such a hard sell. I have to admit when I first heard of the show I wasn't really interested in seeing it and even now its still pretty hard to describe it to someone and get them interested straight away. But as we all know as soon as someone has sat down and watched a few eps their hooked.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:54 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Welcome to the board MathewJ. Good to have another fan w/ us.

I personally like the "Ballad of Serenity". I have never really cared for that sort of music, and the first time I heard it, I just kind of shrugged and went right into watching the show. The second time I heard it, I thought it was kind of catchy and that it was okay. It grows on you. Now I love it, and sing right along everytime I watch one of the episodes on DVD.

You know as much as we do on why Fox execs in their infinite (or would that be finite?) wisdom decided to cancel the show. They claim bad ratings caused them to cancel the show, but one need look no further than poor handling by Fox to see why the show did poorly. The scrapped the original pilot, "Serenity", and made Joss come up w/ a new pilot to fit a one hour time slot in one weekend; that episode was "Train Job". They then aired episodes out of order, and preempted the show several times for baseball. Add to that the time slot of death, Friday nights at 8 EST. Not sure how they thought they would reach their target demographic at that time.

Anyway, on to the positive. Yes, the movie has been greenlighted by Universal. The budget is 35 million, and it appears that w/ the exception of Alan (Wash) & Ron (Book) everyone is onboard to do the movie. Joss is promising great things, and Universal had him write the new script in such a way as to "springboard" into a new TV series.

Things are far brighter now then they were in the winter of 2002-2003 when we were kneedeep in postcards during the campaign to save the show. You have come at a good time.

Look around, post, and make yourself at home.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:18 AM

Actually, when you think about it, a return to the way our civilization progressed is not so wild. Settlers would have to use what was cheap and available, and what had worked in the past. If you have no regular supplies of fuel, etc. coming in, animals serve a multitude of purposes. Not to mention that the 'old west' is a romantic concept and ingrained in the common imagination. People who were "born 40 years too late", so to speak, might embrace an opportunity to play cowboy.

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:22 AM

I sing it, too. Every time.

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:53 AM

METAPHORE

Heck i find myself singing it in elevators, in line at the grocery store, during se....errr great song!

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:02 AM

CARTAGIA

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Actually, when you think about it, a return to the way our civilization progressed is not so wild. Settlers would have to use what was cheap and available, and what had worked in the past. If you have no regular supplies of fuel, etc. coming in, animals serve a multitude of purposes. Not to mention that the 'old west' is a romantic concept and ingrained in the common imagination. People who were "born 40 years too late", so to speak, might embrace an opportunity to play cowboy.

Jen dao mei.

I'm not certain but I think it was Robert Heinlein who first came to the conclusion that frontier civilization would resemble what we think of as 'western' civilization. When you are all alone out on the fringe, with your life and those of your family depending upon the equipment you have, you want to know that it will almost never break and that if you are unlucky enough for it to happen, then you or one of your neighbors can fix it themselves, not have to ship it back to some tech shop to get repaired in a month or so, if you are lucky.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:35 AM

SERENA

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Originally posted by trask43:
I know its been talked about before but I think overall the main problem the show had is its just such a hard sell. I have to admit when I first heard of the show I wasn't really interested in seeing it and even now its still pretty hard to describe it to someone and get them interested straight away. But as we all know as soon as someone has sat down and watched a few eps their hooked.

That is my experience exactly. If I try to describe it to them, it sounds lame, but I know if they'd just watch it they'd love it. The difficulty is getting them to watch.

And, welcome MathewJ! Sit down and gab with us for a while. We like gabbing

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:59 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by Serena:
Quote:
Originally posted by trask43:
I know its been talked about before but I think overall the main problem the show had is its just such a hard sell. I have to admit when I first heard of the show I wasn't really interested in seeing it and even now its still pretty hard to describe it to someone and get them interested straight away. But as we all know as soon as someone has sat down and watched a few eps their hooked.

That is my experience exactly. If I try to describe it to them, it sounds lame, but I know if they'd just watch it they'd love it. The difficulty is getting them to watch.

And, welcome MathewJ! Sit down and gab with us for a while. We like gabbing

Too true.

It seems the second you say "sci fi" you lose part of your audience, and when "western" slips out, the other part loses interest. They seem to be two very odd formulas to mix together, but as we all know, they worked great together. Kind of like chocolate and peanut butter.

I have given it quite a bit of thought and quite honestly, the western theme seems to me to be the most likely way that frontier civilization would be in reality. It just makes sense. The same spirit that settled the Old West here in America would be the same spirit that settled frontier worlds.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:52 AM

SBWATCHER

hi fellow browncoats,

long time reader first time post. As soon as I heard Joss was having a new show, I knew I was going to love it based on my experience with BtVS and, to a lesser extent, Angel. Like the rest of you, I wept when Firefly was cancelled, rejoiced when the DVD set was released, and blubbered for joy when the movie was announced.

I can count my sister-in-law as a convert, but she is mad at us for addicting her to a cancelled show

and I loaned disk 1 to my chinese lab-mate. I often ask her to translate for me.

As far as the theme song goes, I love it, loved it from the first time I heard it. It never gets old and I listen to it every time I watch an episode -- which is often! My sister-in-law was visiting recently and we were watching "Heart of Gold". When the song started, I closed my eyes and began swaying (I can't believe I just admitted that). She looked at me and said "all you need is a lighter!"

Very much looking forward to 2005 and, hopefully, a shiny new series after that. Wish we could all watch it together. If there are any browncoats in the South Bend, IN area, drop me a line.

take care ...

"What's sanguine mean again?"

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:57 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Welcome to the board SBWatcher. Glad to have you w/ us. Always a pleasure to see a new face.

Enjoy the board. Hope to see you around often.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:02 AM

SBWATCHER

Hi Browncoat1,

thank you for the kind welcome ... hope to be around often!

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:15 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by SBWatcher:
Hi Browncoat1,

thank you for the kind welcome ... hope to be around often!

No problem. We are a friendly bunch around here.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:11 AM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:

No problem. We are a friendly bunch around here.

Well, we got one that's kinda horrific...

Welcome SBWatcher! Don't forget to recruit a new fan a week until the movie is released!

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:54 PM

ECMORGAN69

Welcome to MathewJ and SBWatcher! Hope you all enjoy the board

Mathew, the show was cancelled for one reason; Dung-flinging Monkeys in charge at FOX TV, The Serial Killer of Quality TV

Keep Flying...

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:26 PM

KARENKAY99

Quote:
Originally posted by kalimeeri:
You know, if someone had told me this was a "western" before I watched it, I wouldn't have. I abhor westerns, and haven't watched one since the "Maverick" and "Rawhide" days. Neither do I particularly care for bluegrass/country (aversion therapy courtesy of an ex-spouse).

me too!! i grew up on bonanza and rawhide. i thought i'd had enough.
however since i fell in love with firefly, i'm thinking of giving deadwood on hbo a try. it started last sunday and i missed it but it looks like they are going to run it on hbo on demand.

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:17 PM

DARKJESTER

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If there are any browncoats in the South Bend, IN area, drop me a line.

Hi SBWatcher, and Welcome!! I'm in Goshen, 30 miles east of you. So far, I've noticed posts by people in Gary and Indy. There are a few Hoosier Browncoats at least. And you might want to search out the threads for the Browncoat Ball, in Chicago later this year.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:06 PM

DARTHVEGAS

It's light years ahead of the theme to Enterprise's 80's power balad

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:33 PM

THEFOP

When I first heard about firefly, I can't honestly say that I thought much of it. My reaction was more or less "space ships and horses? Yeah...great"

Then my roommate started showing me episodes of Buffy this past fall. We watched a few seasons of it, and then he comes to me with this big frickin' grin on, and says he has something new for us to watch. When he told me what it was, I have to admit I was a bit incredulous, but I figured I'd watch it with him

5 minutes in, I was hooked. I tend to sing the ballad of serenity quite a bit, and generally accost random people on the street with quotes, should the spring to mind. I'm waiting for the movie with anticipation, and hoping beyond hope that the movie leads to a new series, which this time will not be cancelled prematurely.

If I hadn't decided that I could get a much nicer house if I rented with other people, I probably would never have seen firefly.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:43 PM

to answer your original question as to why this show was cancelled, because nobody f'ing watched. all the other reasons are just excuses meant to obscure the fact that the fans of the show let it down.

aired out of order - so what. watch the episodes in their intended order and the story is still told out of order. they flash back or reveal details later in the series that you don't get in the pilot. also, each episode stands well enough on its own that it doesn't require seeing the previous one.

pre-empted for baseball - who cares? sci-fi fans can wait 16 years between star wars films and still manage to figure out when to go to the theater in record numbers, but can't seem to figure out that firefly will be on again in two weeks?

time slot of death - well either it is a great show or it isn't. if people can't be bothered to make time to watch it on a friday night, they must not really think it is a great show.

didn't know it was on - one of my favorites. is the network supposed to come to your house and change the channel for you? every newspaper and countless websites all have tv grids. people can't take one minute out of their day to see what is on?

fox just wants to make more reality crap - close, but missing the point. fox just wants to make money. they had to hire extra people to rake up all the cash that american idol show is bringing in. there is not an evil plot at the network to only make bad tv. they are there to make a profit, and you can bet that if firefly was getting top 20 numbers that they would be more than happy to keep flying.

etc etc etc. this might seem harsh but i think it is worth pointing out. firefly was cancelled because the fans let it down. they didn't watch, and that is what you get. sadly, since people would rather say f fox and the people at fox are morons and any other thing besides 'it's our fault', it will happen again and again. rather than focus all of that energy tilting at the fox windmill, they should be trying to figure out why it is that sci-fi fans couldn't be bothered to tune in. until that is figured out, it will just keep happening. ask the fandoms at dark angel, odyssey5, the lone gunmen, millenium, harsh realm, space above and beyond, veritas the quest, american gothic, etc. etc. etc.

hey, look over there at that clever new wonderfalls show that nobody is watching. then again, people probably don't know when it is on. or they are too busy on friday. or it might have been advertised wrong. or fox might really want it to fail. or this. or that. or the other.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:28 PM

ERELLEVENT

Hey all just came across this site but iv been watching firefly since it was on fox. this looks like a good website and u even got our own fox exec posting on here (bamadave). anyways i just wanted to say i realy like the show and cant wait for the movie its going to rock.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:06 PM

HAPLO721

Well, if people want to completely sacrifice any chance at a social life, then yes, they can stay home every Friday at 8. Otherwise, you tape/TiVo the show or miss it. In either case, it only matters if you have a Neilson box on your TV.

Early: You ever been raped, Kaylee?
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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:08 PM

RKLENSETH

Quote:
Originally posted by bamadave:
to answer your original question as to why this show was cancelled, because nobody f'ing watched. all the other reasons are just excuses meant to obscure the fact that the fans of the show let it down.

aired out of order - so what. watch the episodes in their intended order and the story is still told out of order. they flash back or reveal details later in the series that you don't get in the pilot. also, each episode stands well enough on its own that it doesn't require seeing the previous one.

pre-empted for baseball - who cares? sci-fi fans can wait 16 years between star wars films and still manage to figure out when to go to the theater in record numbers, but can't seem to figure out that firefly will be on again in two weeks?

time slot of death - well either it is a great show or it isn't. if people can't be bothered to make time to watch it on a friday night, they must not really think it is a great show.

didn't know it was on - one of my favorites. is the network supposed to come to your house and change the channel for you? every newspaper and countless websites all have tv grids. people can't take one minute out of their day to see what is on?

fox just wants to make more reality crap - close, but missing the point. fox just wants to make money. they had to hire extra people to rake up all the cash that american idol show is bringing in. there is not an evil plot at the network to only make bad tv. they are there to make a profit, and you can bet that if firefly was getting top 20 numbers that they would be more than happy to keep flying.

etc etc etc. this might seem harsh but i think it is worth pointing out. firefly was cancelled because the fans let it down. they didn't watch, and that is what you get. sadly, since people would rather say f fox and the people at fox are morons and any other thing besides 'it's our fault', it will happen again and again. rather than focus all of that energy tilting at the fox windmill, they should be trying to figure out why it is that sci-fi fans couldn't be bothered to tune in. until that is figured out, it will just keep happening. ask the fandoms at dark angel, odyssey5, the lone gunmen, millenium, harsh realm, space above and beyond, veritas the quest, american gothic, etc. etc. etc.

hey, look over there at that clever new wonderfalls show that nobody is watching. then again, people probably don't know when it is on. or they are too busy on friday. or it might have been advertised wrong. or fox might really want it to fail. or this. or that. or the other.

I think the fans of the show proved you wrong. We kept the show alive. Look at the DVD sales. I know for one that I watched the show when it was aired. Now we are getting a movie. If the fans let it down then how is it that it is still alive today?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:10 PM

RKLENSETH,

i think you are missing my point. the question was why was this show cancelled. it is a question that has been asked on this board, and many others, many times. i think it is time that we admit why it was cancelled.

the fan support after the fact has been remarkable. but it was too little too late. getting a movie is amazing, and you can bet that i will see it multiple times.

still, by the time the movie hits theaters two and a half seasons will have passed with no firefly. can you honestly say that two hours of a movie in lieu of 53 episodes is a victory? 53 freaking episodes! if all of the support that has brought about the dvd sales and the deal for the movie was there when it was on the air, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:36 PM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

You failed to mention the lack of advertising. Star Wars fans know to show up at the theater because (a) they know a new Star Wars film is out there due to the ridiculous amount of advertising put out there and (b) they know how to look up movie listings. A new show on a Friday night (when not many people are channel surfing) with no advertising to speak of, and what little there is being incredibly poor? How could that possibly fail?

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:14 PM

quoting my original post

"didn't know it was on - one of my favorites. is the network supposed to come to your house and change the channel for you? every newspaper and countless websites all have tv grids. people can't take one minute out of their day to see what is on?"

you might not agree with it, but i mentioned it.

i would also disagree with the idea that it got no advertising. i remember seeing commercials for it. it is also worth noting that i have seen both the no advertising reason for the cancellation, and the it was advertised wrong reason. now, it can't be both.

and i stand by the argument that all of these only serve to obscure the obvious. the fans were not there in sufficient numbers to keep it on the air.

if everyone is so bent on sending fox a message, how about all of the firefly fans tune in to wonderfalls and support tim minear? he's a part of firefly. do something positive for a fellow browncoat. one of the major players having a successful show on the air isn't going to hurt things when they start shopping the relaunch of the series.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:25 PM

ZORIAH

Actually, the only people that your post applies to are those nielsen box owners who didn't tune in to the show.

There are only 5100 households with those things and they are the ONLY people who count as far as ratings go unfortunately.

If 10 million fans watched but only a few had the all important distinction of being a nielsen family.....well then.

So please don't berate people for not watching the show, I'm sure the majority of us would do anything to take part in ratings reporting so that quality shows like Firefly and Angel would stay on the air.

People have now galvanised to try and get everyone to support and watch Wonderfalls (which is in that timeslot of death on Friday), however in the end the networks will do what they want to do.

Angel was cancelled and it had nothing to do with its ratings(the only WB returning drama to show a ratings gain from last year). Tru Calling seems to have been given a chance when Firefly wasn't.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by Haplo721:
Well, if people want to completely sacrifice any chance at a social life, then yes, they can stay home every Friday at 8. Otherwise, you tape/TiVo the show or miss it. In either case, it only matters if you have a Neilson box on your TV.

ah yes, the i don't have a nielsen box excuse. i had almost forgotten about that one. once again all of the excuses seem to trip over each other.

as was pointed out earlier, look at what the fandom has done. keeping the show alive. sales of the dvds. getting a movie made. and we are right back to what would have happened if all of these people were gathering new viewers for the original series? think they might have tripped over some nielsen families? could they have indirectly helped to bump the ratings? i think so.

and you also fail to ask the more important question, why weren't the sci-fi fans that do have nielsen boxes watching firefly? that is the point of all of this. as much as this is about firefly, it is also about the next really good show that is going to get the shaft from a lazy/can't be bothered sci-fi community.

and i am well aware that when you point a finger, three more are pointing right back at you. i count myself as part of that community. i just saw babylon 5 for the first time this year. i dropped the ball on that one. but i now also make it a point to know when new shows are coming out. like wonderfalls (i'm shameless). and to tune in and give them a fair shot.

the point i want to make is that there is something to be learned from all of this, and it isn't new ways to make fuq fox palatable for censored message boards. it is that there will be another show almost as good as firefly at some point, and everyone should be watching it from the start.

wonderfalls

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:37 PM

ERELLEVENT

Well bamadave i guess it will be ur fault if wonderfalls gets canceled cause u didnt do enough.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:47 PM

ZORIAH

Bamadave, trying to make people feel guilty collectively and accusing them of making excuses is not a great way to get them on board with your ideas.

However, (I could be wrong) I think I get the gist where you are coming from. So often people don't get behind a show until it's too late. The buzz starts happening after the show's already on the bubble or even stopped airing altogether. I think that fans of quality shows are starting to realise that fan hype and buzz are very important, even prior to a show premiering, and that with the internet as a ready resource it's important to not only keep informed but also to inform others of shows worthy of our attention and support.

There was no way I could have helped Firefly by watching it when it aired as I live in New Zealand and do not get Fox here, but as soon as it came out on DVD I ordered myself a copy.

You are talking about being more proactive rather than reactive I think.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:35 AM

"In this quadrant, we play nice. Got enemies enough as it is." --Mal, "War Stories"

Jen dao mei.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:12 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I watched every episode but one when they originally aired, and only missed that one due to a screw-up with my VCR, so I can't be the one bamadave is talking about. I have never known a Nielson family in my life, and I'm 53, which is not even the demographic that I'm sure FOX was aiming at for "Firefly" (or any other show for that matter).

My memories of favored canceled shows goes way back, and they aren't all SF shows either. I doubt anyone around here remembers a wonderful comedy that premiered on NBC in 1970 called "My World, and Welcome To It." It happened to be on opposite "Mary Tyler Moore," so scheduling decisions by the networks do make a difference. And if you do not have a Nielson box, or know anyone who does, you will never have an effective voice in networks' programming decisions. Period.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:56 AM

I remember "My World!" Very fondly.

Jen dao mei.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:56 AM

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Originally posted by Zoriah:
Bamadave, trying to make people feel guilty collectively and accusing them of making excuses is not a great way to get them on board with your ideas.

However, (I could be wrong) I think I get the gist where you are coming from. So often people don't get behind a show until it's too late. The buzz starts happening after the show's already on the bubble or even stopped airing altogether. I think that fans of quality shows are starting to realise that fan hype and buzz are very important, even prior to a show premiering, and that with the internet as a ready resource it's important to not only keep informed but also to inform others of shows worthy of our attention and support.

There was no way I could have helped Firefly by watching it when it aired as I live in New Zealand and do not get Fox here, but as soon as it came out on DVD I ordered myself a copy.

You are talking about being more proactive rather than reactive I think.

thanks for getting what i am saying. it may have come across as too harsh, i didn't think so. there has been post after post on this issue and it seems that the focus gets lost in the fox bashing. it's easy to band together as a group and keep kicking fox. but it's not as easy to admit that the fans played a part.

i don't really want to be in the defending fox camp, but the fox bashing camp isn't really doing much for anyone.

it seems that a lot of people are taking personal offense at this. i should clarify that i am not talking about any individual fan or what you did or didn't do to help firefly. i am talking about all firefly fans, and what 'we' didn't do, myself included. all with the idea that next time 'we' get it right. whether that be for the relaunched firefly series, or for the next best thing.

but if you still don't get that, feel free to attack me. blame me for the failure of wonderfalls. post how you couldn't have done any more. toss in a shot at fox. whatever you need. at least people are discussing it now.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 5:01 AM