Unpopular Opinions by Lexan

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Ok Inara..... my bad.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:48 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Go to hell, Jack.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:49 PM

sigh.... already there love.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:54 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Well while you're there, maybe you should stop picking fights and being so pity-hungry. You might get out.
And I'm not Inara. That's kind of the whole rutting point I was making.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:00 PM

TUJIAOZUO

I'm just jumping in here really quick to ditto a few things...

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Originally posted by Cailieg:
My unpopular firefly opinion is about the BDM, I dislike the change to Simon Tam, he is a wuss, he never shot anyone, flinches in a fight and suddenly hes a one man Rambo assault team to break his sister out of a place we were told she was "carefully smuggled out of".

Didn't like the intro to the BDM because of this. Its so NOT Simon.

I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.

Oh and Jayne IS a bad guy, but he's a bad guy loyal to Mal and only to Mal. He betrayed Mal once and learned the hard way, I doubt he would do it again. though I 'spose he'd have to to keep the tensions up.

So glad I'm not the only one who hates the sudden change to a 'tough' Simon. I swear, it's non-canon. Same thing goes for the BDM opening sequence. Yeah it was badass, but Simon isn't badass. I dunno why but I also missed his vests in the movie. It was like something was missing lol.

The River fighting sequence also bothered me for the same reasons every other martial arts person had, way over the top. It probably didn't get to me as much as I'm a comic book fan and I'm used to all of those over the top actiony sequences, and totally dig that iconic shot of her standing there, blades in hand while the doors open... but how the hell did those doors open?! Bugs the crap out of me every time I watch.

Also, I think Jayne was too cheesy in the first couple of scenes. Like they were trying to make him too funny.

In short, the BDM was ok. When I first saw it I was all WOW... but then I saw the whole series and watched the BDM a few more times and it was sorta like... huh... (yeah I'll get the collector's edition though) but in short, while there are a few scenes, I've found it makes pretty computer Wallpepers more than anything else.

I also didn't really care for the comic book. Maybe I'm biased cause I read Kingdom Come last night and that's the best GN ever, but it just didn't read much to me as a Firefly episode. Some of the writing felt off and the drawings didn't capture some of the characts (Simon and Wash in particular)

Anndd...

Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

Jayne wears hats, and as much as I love him for being an untrained ape, he would've turned on the crew again and Mal probably would have had to have made the decision of killing him.

As much as I love fluff, no way you can raise a baby while running from the law.

This said I'll probably hook up Mal and Inara, make Jayne a decent guy and add a baby to my fic (HA!) I seriously doubt the baby... but hell... it's fiction.

Ash

*Goes back to lurking*

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:05 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

I don't think that's true. I know speculative interviews in the Official Companion aren't solid canon, but they're as close as we can get at the mo' and that's not what the general idea seemed to be around Mal and Inara.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:07 PM

Heh... I stated my opinion, which you obviously don't agree with, and you came at me with claws love. It's still debatable whether or not my opinion is popular or unpopular, given our very limited polling environment here.

The Inara thing was because you're quarrelling with me over something that is basically unprovable either way, and couldn't possibly be a general truth either way, given the infinite combinations of male and female personalities clashing. I just found your reactions amusing is all, and admittedly, I've had a bit of fun getting under your skin. Reminiscant of Cybill and Bruce on Moonlighting. Wasn't implying you're a whore, just to clear that up now.

You don't have to be so catty with me PR. We're all friends here.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:14 PM

TUJIAOZUO

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
Mal and Inara would never have gotten together... maybe in the end... the very end... but Joss probably would have killed Inara off or something.

I don't think that's true. I know speculative interviews in the Official Companion aren't solid canon, but they're as close as we can get at the mo' and that's not what the general idea seemed to be around Mal and Inara.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

The new browncoat doesn't have the Official Companion. All I'm opinionizing off of is the series, GN, BDM. But thankies for clearing that up

That's what I get for coming into the discussion not well versed on the 'verse.

I'll learn some day.

*Resumes lurking*

Ash

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:
The new browncoat doesn't have the Official Companion. All I'm opinionizing off of is the series, GN, BDM. But thankies for clearing that up That's what I get for coming into the discussion not well versed on the 'verse.

I'll learn some day.

*Resumes lurking*

Ash

Don't sweat it. You know more about the verse than I do, given you've read the GN, and I never shut the hell up. Your opinion isn't any less valid than anyone elses here and besides... this is the "unpopular opinion" thread anyways.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:21 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain

Ok....I'm going to give my unpopular opinions and ignore the little hijack above me.

First off. I don't give a crap about Simon. To paraphrase River. He is such a boob. He may be intelligent but he's pretty foolish most of the time and I don't care for fools. He's only ever interesting to me in the pilot and the flash-backs in Safe.

Second, I don't know if this is unpopular or not but it doesn't seem very commonly held. I don't believe that Mal has any issues with companions or what they do. He doesn't care that Inara is basicaly a glorified whore. He's just whiney and upset because he can't admit tht he likes her and she's sleeping with a bunch of men and none of them are him. And attacking her job is the easiest way to upset her. Misery loves company.

And finally, the movie. Again, not really sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not but I really didn't want an explaination or origin for the Reavers. I liked not knowing the why and the what of them.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:26 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Heh... I stated my opinion, which you obviously don't agree with, and you came at me with claws love.

You went off opinions on the show, and into opinions on women in general. I said I think Mal and Inara are pussyfooting around, and that I find it pathetic after doing it for only a few short years, and I don't do that anymore, and you responded to me saying that rather than anything about the show itself. You said that it was easier for a woman to not pussyfoot around because a woman, what, didn't have to have a whole lot going for her to catch someone's eye? And that men had to have everything going for them to catch anyone's eye, and that's why they're terrified? No. That's not about the show, that's about sexism, and it's about me, and it's likely to draw out the pretty little claws.
Don't call me love.
I'm done talking to you now.

TuJiaoZuo, don't worry about not having every resource and reference book of Firefly. I'm sure you'll be that obsessed in no time

The fact is, while Joss and Co. have a penchant for kind of springing surprises on the audience, a lot of what would have happened was just tentative anyway, and could ahve changed at any time. That's the whole tragedy.
You're new? Welcome to the 'verse

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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:37 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
You went off opinions on the show.....

Ahem...... I'd invite you to take a gander at your posts above the one where I allegedly went off course. I was merely commenting on your commentary about your real life experiences as you saw them in relation to the show.

Kettle just got called black?

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Friday, June 22, 2007 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
There’s nothing more unattractive then a guy complaining because he can’t get women.

Heh.... just read that now. Don't worry about me Finn. I've never had many problems in that department, at least that aren't entirely self inflicted anyhow. I certainly wasn't alluding to being ugly myself. I know nobody on this board that's seen me would say I am ugly, and if they did it's entirely out of jealousy or spite and I fart in their general direction. If anything, I suffer from a narsiscistic complex, bordering on megalomaina. I was just pointing out that women have an easier time during the first introductions part, and most women would agree with me. I stand by everything that I said in that regard, and wouldn't even imagine taking any of it back. PR decided she wanted to read it wrong and turn it into me being a cheuvinistic asshole. Narcisistic, yes.... Chauvinistic, no.... I love women.

Hope when you wake up this morning PR, you read that again and know that it wasn't my intent to put you in such a rage against me.

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By Orpheus: I dunno, I think this fits quite nicely into the whole "Unpopular Opinions" theme. Even though....

You know what? No. I'm gonna sit this one out.

LOL.... Probably something I should have done too. I hear that's a lesson that I won't learn until I'm married though.

Think that will be construed as sexist or chavinistic?

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 6:34 AM

You sure have a knack for pissing people off and giving them no reason to stop being pissed off, Jack. If she weren't already done talking to you, I'm sure PR would still be voicing her displeasure with your attitude.

Anyway, moving to the actual subject, I'm kind of shocked at how many people seem to violently dislike Simon. He's always been one of my favorite characters. He's selfless and noble, and being so smart in some areas and so moronic in others makes him pretty amusing. I relate to him for that, too, because I've known so many stupid smart people. Med students who couldn't get their heads around why the economy was considered bad, lawyers who couldn't make casual conversation with a stranger to save their lives, professors who knew nothing outside their field of study, and who bored anyone they talked with to tears. It's common and it's funny. Also doesn't usually come paired with the will to sacrifice anything for anyone, which is what really makes me love Simon. There's great nuance to his character, and Sean Maher plays it out with astounding grace and amazing chemistry with most of the cast.
My unpopular opinion? Morena. Not Inara, but Morena. I think her chemistry with everyone is minimal to nonexistent, which massively detracts from her performance, especially as she's playing a woman who makes her living off having chemistry with people, fitting into their lives perfectly, knowing how to please, how to teach, guide, serve, or whatever a given situation might require. The only time I got even a hint of that was when she was talking to Simon about being lost in the woods. That was a gorgeous moment, and her eyes were luminous and sympathetic, and she seemed to genuinely care about him. Actually, the same energy comes up in Out of Gas with him. That's part of the reason I say Sean has chemistry with the entire cast, because I only buy her performance as a caring and sympathetic woman when she's interacting with him. Only because her acting is technically flawless did I think for a moment she was concerned about Mal, but it felt off to me, and I certainly never felt a spark between them. Nathan is an amazing actor, and I knew at once that Mal cared for Inara, but it honestly shocked me to find out she felt anything for him like that, because her eyes and her body language just never said it. Her break down in Heart of Gold was again technically well done, but I still didn't buy it as a true emotional moment, but rather a very good replica of one.
In short, it did not surprise me a bit to find out she was a last-minute cast who started filming the day after she met the rest of the crew. I really think that role could have been cast better, with someone who resonated more with Nathan in particular. Melinda Clarke might have been a good choice, actually, if she'd come along sooner. I never doubted the chemistry between Mal and Nandi.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 6:54 AM

CROW

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.

It's just easier for girls is all.

It's not easier for girls - guys can get money and status and often get more physically attractive as they get older, but if you're not in the 2% of girls who have the body and looks that we all have been conditioned to believe are attractive... By the time you can afford the cosmetic surgery to fix this, you are in way past your sell by date etc.

Crow

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:06 AM

Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many browncoats were not only completely superficial, but slaves to media ideals. This is disappointing as hell.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:07 AM

CROW

Back to the issue at hand (I love this thread - it's very liberating)...

I'm so glad to see that others are not nutty about Inara - I think Morena is not particularly well cast in the role and it's not that I don't believe the sulky defensive chemistry between her and Mal, (I do believe that a different actor could have done a better job at it) but their relationship clearly had no future -- which kinda makes it fun and is what gives it believability in many ways.

Inara and Simon seem possible once Inara and Mal have given in and gotten over their lust for one another.

I agree that Kaylee and Jayne would have made an awesome couple.

I find it really interesting that once I start thinking about my unpopular opinions I really don't like very many of the characters. (Mal and Zoe are really the only people who I am never seriously irritated by.) I think this is what makes the show so believable. As a group their interactions are fun, but in isolation each character has very unlikeable traits, weakness and flaws. Kinda like humans.

Mal has flaws too, but apparently I forgive them - does Zoe have flaws? I can't think of one. Both of them are so attractive I get all muzzy trying to think about this.

Crow

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:37 AM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE

Really the only opinion I have that might be unpopular is that Inara really pisses me off sometimes. She is just too pompous and obnoxious and totally doesn't belong on a ship like Serenity. Especially since she complains when they spend too much time on disreputable type planets and stuff.
I don't have a problem with Morena Baccarin though. She's a good actress and portrays the character well. Though really I can't exactly despise any of the Firefly characters too much.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by TuJiaoZuo:

The River fighting sequence also bothered me for the same reasons every other martial arts person had, way over the top.

Well, I admit to being a novice in the martial art department, having studied formally only eight different styles of gung-fu and karate over a short span (Thirty years

), so pardon me if I say that THIS martial artist had NO problem WHATSOEVER with the idea that a 98 lb girl with psychic ability to know the intent, if not the precise physical moves to be employed, of her attackers, combined with the ability to block out ALL distraction makes for a very believable martial scenario. She simply employed my lifelong martial code: don't get in the path of an oncoming strike, and never hit a man with a closed fist (especially if you can hit 'im with other stuff).
Her Combat Tai-Chi was most impressive, from an entertainment POV.

Technically speaking Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
A 90 lb girl can’t deliver that kind of energy; I don’t care how kungfu she is.

Ahem...in the style she was employing, one does not 'deliver' energy, one re-directs it. Her actual strikes were perhaps 20% of her moves, and almost none actually took peeps out; most were thrown to the floor by their own momentum, hit with glass mugs, shot, stabbed, or cut open on approach.
Okay, that one slo-mo punch was focused on- I'll let that go for the 'Buffy-esque-ness' of the moment...

She 'Chan-ed' most of 'em Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

LOL... I must humbly disagree with your assessment of the quality of the BDM.

No worries, mate.
I hear inaccurate opinions of things all day long.
Look how long it took for Christ's words to become the 'in' thing.
Serenity is one of the best movies EVER made, but classics are generally not instantly hailed as 'classics' until a comfortable time has passed.
Me? I'm comfortable enough already.

Comfy Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many browncoats were not only completely superficial, but slaves to media ideals. This is disappointing as hell.

Please don't attribute that to all of us- personally my physical ideals were formed by athletes; a little muscle beats big phoney breasts EVERY day. And grandness of heart wins over good pole-dancing.
The superficial thing DOES help weed out the jerks, though.

Half-full Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
You sure have a knack for pissing people off and giving them no reason to stop being pissed off, Jack. If she weren't already done talking to you, I'm sure PR would still be voicing her displeasure with your attitude.

Yeah.... I like Simon too. I got your back on that one. He's the only truly selfless character on the show... at least the only one who has proven it time and time again with his sister. Even if he does walk and talk like a wuss...

Still, his character in the BDM was completley different than what he was in the show; just one of the myriad of reasons that I'm not a fan of the movie at all.

What I like the most about the women of the show is that they don't get their feelings hurt easy and they know full well their strenghth and power and sexuality and wouldn't even waste their breath trying so hard to make everyone else recognize it, particularly men like me who don't just sit down like a good little boy and behave exactly like they'd like 24/7. If this were "The Real World - Serenity", and all of us were on the show with the crew, why do I have a feeling that Jayne and I would have been asked to leave the ship already?

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Serenity is one of the best movies EVER made, but classics are generally not instantly hailed as 'classics' until a comfortable time has passed.

I will admit that as a standalone movie, I probably would have enjoyed it immensely, but as it were the characters were changed, stories were uber-rushed, my favorite character Book dies, and the chemestry is irreversibly changed forever, barring some stupid "Dallas" type dream dismissial of the BDM.

Just another of my unpopular opinions. I'm full of them.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:33 PM

WTE

This thread went odd, odd places. I kind of like it. Some good, old-fashioned debate.

I don't think I have a lot of unpopular opinions about the series; I loved the movie, liked Kaylee well enough, blah blah blah.

I think as close as I come is not thinking Our Mrs. Reynolds and, as a sort-of result, Trash, are great episodes. I enjoy them well enough, but they never struck me as stand-out episodes as others seems to find them. Which is odd, because normally if Joss wrote and directed an episode, I'm all over it.

Still, I like it more than Heart of Gold.

I'm trying desperately to think of something else that would separate me from the masses... hummm... damn. I guess I'm just a regular, white sheep.

HONKS

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by WTE:

I think as close as I come is not thinking Our Mrs. Reynolds and, as a sort-of result, Trash, are great episodes.

Go live with Reavers, you captain-dummy person, you!!! Those are GREAT eps!!! And you are a ruttin' atypical neophyte, you quality-hater!!!

(...did that sound suitably flame-ish? I could add some harsh language...if it sounded too nice...not good at being mean to nice folks, and makin' it sound real

)

The psuedo-angry Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:25 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
as it were the characters were changed

As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

*get over it

Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:33 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please don't attribute that to all of us...

I don't, that's part of what makes it disappointing. Most of what I've seen of browncoats here has been all about finding what's beautiful, be it physical or something else. And when it's something physical it's often non-traditional.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What I like the most about the women of the show is that they don't get their feelings hurt easy

False. They do. All the characters get their feelings hurt, feel threatened, act irrational, take something the 'wrong way' or something else like that that makes them, you know, human. They mess up, they fight, they take issue and have issues with things. I think you maybe need to watch the show again.

I really liked Trash, but Our Mrs Reynolds isn't on my list of favorite episodes either. It was good, but it loses the element of surprise on repeat viewing, whereas in Trash you already know that YoSafBridge is out to con someone. Plus it has the great "I can kill you with my brain" moment :)

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:35 PM

FOLLOWMAL

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
as it were the characters were changed
As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

*get over it Chrisisall

Chris, have I told you lately that I love you, mate!

IloveSerenityisall!

Oh, and you're absolutely right about Serenity being a classic...someday everyone will know.

To see if there's a screening near you go here:
www.cantstoptheserenity.com

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:56 PM

MALTEHWIN2

well, If FOX hadn't cancelled Firefly
1) We wouldn't appreciate it as much as we do now
2) as with most shows, later seasons would start to suck.

Kaylee isn't a sucky character, she's cute as hell.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
False. They do. All the characters get their feelings hurt, feel threatened, act irrational, take something the 'wrong way' or something else like that that makes them, you know, human. They mess up, they fight, they take issue and have issues with things. I think you maybe need to watch the show again.

Wrong.... you're doing it again now. Taking something I say and blowing it out of proportion and twisting it to suit your needs, which now seems to make a strawman argument against me.

Of course people get their feelings hurt,regardless of sex, but on the show it's about individual basis stuff. My point is that the women on the show don't make issue about having to prove their equal, or quite possibly superior status as females by bitching and moaning about it. Their actions and the way they carry themselves says it all for them. The topic of sexuality as far as being equal isn't even really touched on, if it even comes up at all throughout the course of the show or the movie. It's assumed going in that equality between sex is just the norm, and not even something worth debating. I don't feel that there is a single instance where any of the strong and independent women on the show even make that questionable in the slightest.

Any one of the women on the show would just laugh if anybody jokingly or even seriously questioned the power and ability of the female.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Wrong.... you're doing it again now. Taking something I say and blowing it out of proportion and twisting it to suit your needs, which now seems to make a strawman argument against me.

Right, I forgot you're the eternal victim and everyone around you twists your words rather than just responding to what you write, and you really aren't here to argue at all, and I'm just being a jackass for pointing out that you are, in fact, wrong. Skip the pity-party, it doesn't work on me.

I could point out that no man on the show makes any implications about women being shallow, or having it easier because men are also shallow and it's 'easier' for women to be pretty. Closest is Mal giving Inara shit, and that's less about being a woman and more about her job. So it's kind of a two-way street. In both ways. You kind of insult everyone of any gender with your comments. Just thought I'd point that out.

PR had the right idea. I am also done talking to you. No sense in banging my head against a wall.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:49 PM

WTE

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
I really liked Trash, but Our Mrs Reynolds isn't on my list of favorite episodes either. It was good, but it loses the element of surprise on repeat viewing, whereas in Trash you already know that YoSafBridge is out to con someone. Plus it has the great "I can kill you with my brain" moment :)

I'll agree that I like Trash more than OMR. For example, "Well. I appreciate your honesty. Not, you know, a lot, but..."

I don't know why that jumps out immediately, as I'm sure the episode has funnier moments, but I enjoyed that part.

So the point of this post was: okay, fair enough, Trash was better. I think it still falls behind most of the others on my list, though.

HONKS

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Right, I forgot you're the eternal victim....

Do I even know you, where you feel you can justify saying something like this? I have no idea who you are... I don't even recognize your screen name.

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...you are, in fact, wrong.

Opinion duely noted.

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Skip the pity-party, it doesn't work on me.

Not aware that I asked for anybody's pity once on this thread. Very interested to see where you came up with that. (Not really interested...)

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I could point out that no man on the show makes any implications about women being shallow, or having it easier because men are also shallow and it's 'easier' for women to be pretty.

It never came up, and truthfully, it would make for a very boring episode, I think...

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You kind of insult everyone of any gender with your comments. Just thought I'd point that out.

I have yet to see where I've even insulted women once. You're right about men though... I feel that I've done quite a good job of that.

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I am also done talking to you. No sense in banging my head against a wall.

Good. Then my job here is done....

Go find another crusade and quit being a pest.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:20 PM

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As a Vulcan of my aquaintance is fond of saying, change is the essential nature of all existence.
Please elevate yourself to a higher point, and travel on.*

Nope... Sorry man. Not a huge fan of change myself. It's not that I like the way things are today, it's just that I know that I will like them even less tomorrow.

That is, unless RP gets the presidency. I'll tell you what Chris. I will promise you this, here and now. If RP gets elected in '08, I will change my mind and Serenity will be my favorite movie of all time. Hell... I'll even get Serenity tatooed on a place which I have yet to decide on.... I'll let you know where when he spanks Giuliani (aka The White Devil that will make Bush Jr. look like Ghandi, if elected) in the primaries.

will undoubtedly be dissappointed in '08, 6ixStringJack

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:56 PM

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Nope... Sorry man. Not a huge fan of change myself. It's not that I like the way things are today, it's just that I know that I will like them even less tomorrow.

Six. Been there. But it HAS to change...everything does without our consent. And for Joss to reflect that in his fiction....is genius, pure and simple.
Be uncomfortable, dude. It's the way we grow.
It's not about what you like, it's about how you can groove to the new.
I love season seven of Buffy and I love Serenity!

Change? Bring it! Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:09 AM

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Six. Been there. But it HAS to change...everything does without our consent. And for Joss to reflect that in his fiction....is genius, pure and simple.
Be uncomfortable, dude. It's the way we grow.
It's not about what you like, it's about how you can groove to the new.
I love season seven of Buffy and I love Serenity!

Change? Bring it! Chrisisall

I don't think things HAVE to change, but the people with all the money just keep making it change while people who just want to be left alone, who usually don't have any money, are forced to change along with their wishes. Very much like Firefly, and one of the main reasons I loved the show and related so well to the characters and the situation.

In my warped little world in my mind, minus the interstellar flight and the laser pistol, the real world is absolutely no different than Firefly. I never appreciated Joss for his genius for Buffy or Angel*, because it always seemed like a show horny teenagers watched to me, but Firefly just spoke my language. I'd be willing to bet that Joss would have similar views about change that I do, only difference is he's got a ton of money and change don't bother you so much when you can have all the toys you want to distract you from it. I'd be willing to bet before he became rich and famous though that he thought a lot like I did. I just got that vibe when I was watching the show. The entire ride felt like something I would write.

The movie on the other hand, IMO had none of that magic, although I have to admit I was pretty happy when the reavers made mince meat out of the Alliance at the end there.

* Don't hate on me Buffy & Angel lovers. I've seen some reruns on TNT, and also Charmed (which I'm fully aware is not Joss, but I always considered them to be marketed to the same demographic). All three of those shows aren't half bad. They kinda fell smack dab in the middle 7 or so year social peak of my life and I didn't have time for TV or video games. Got a little more time on my hands now that I should now though... Always up for a rerun of any of em, but I'm usually multi-taskin' and strummin on my guitar...

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:31 AM

I'm Soooooooooooooooory Phoenix Rose.

PLEASE forgive me!

lol... seriously. I'm not mad at you at all. I hope you aren't mad at me still. I really do likes ya, but these fingers and this off-kilter brain of mine just seem to keep getting me into trouble. If I didn't like ya, I wouldn't be wasting my time typing.

I argue with people constantly in the RWED, but the people that I argue with the most are, probably sadly, kinda like part of my life... if you know what I'm sayin'. I'd like to think that they respect me like I respect them.

You too, RiverDancer..... Sorry about being an ass. I don't have a college degree, but I'm sure if there was one for being a self righteous know-it-all a-hole I would get an honorary doctorate from Harvard... (see... megalomaniacal, right?)

Love me or hate me, that's just my way. Don't recokon an old dog like me could learn new tricks.... Hopefully ya'all are somewhere in the middle, leanin' towards love

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:36 AM

CROW

>RiverDancer wrote:
>Saturday, June 23, 2007 07:06
>Christ Almighty, I didn't realize how many >browncoats were not only completely superficial, >but slaves to media ideals. This is >disappointing as hell.

Not that I'm particularly interested in keeping this part of the thread going but I object to being thought of in this way.

My apologies for horrifying you so much. I recognize you could have no way of knowing that I don't believe this -- but honestly, I was just answering in kind.

Crow

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:25 AM

Wow... thanks for jumping on the grenade Crow. Could be my narsicisism, but I thought she was talking about me there.

If it was you, don't feel so bad. I think she was just pissed at me and I'm not an easy target. Not to say you are of course..... no offence intended.

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:12 AM

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Do I even know you, where you feel you can justify saying something like this? I have no idea who you are... I don't even recognize your screen name.

I'm a huge lurker. Sometimes I come out and play when I've got an opinion that hasn't been expressed and/or think someone is being a bit of an ass. Most of the time I just read through the threads. So no, you don't know me. But I know you pretty well. I've observed you pushing people's buttons and then playing the 'you have no right to attack me' card since before I signed up for an account here. You play the martyr. The pity party is implied, not overt.
Just thought I'd clarify.
You pushed buttons, and I'm not for one second fooled into thinking you're too dense to understand how. Sometimes you come off as a bit paranoid and reactionary, but you aren't stupid. (there, see, I do give you some credit) Even if you might not have meant to do it initially, you have enough logic and language skills to figure out why it might have come across as offensive to those of us who aren't mind-reading geniuses, and then you continued to push. So stop saying you're being straw-manned. Like I said, doesn't work on me.

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:28 AM

TUJIAOZUO

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TuJiaoZuo, don't worry about not having every resource and reference book of Firefly. I'm sure you'll be that obsessed in no time
The fact is, while Joss and Co. have a penchant for kind of springing surprises on the audience, a lot of what would have happened was just tentative anyway, and could ahve changed at any time. That's the whole tragedy.
You're new? Welcome to the 'verse

Thanks.

And I think what happened with my Mal Inara comment is that I really worded it wrong. So of course sleeping on it made me come up with the right words. What I was trying to say is that they'd never get together in that put their differences aside and being an official couple sense. I can see them sleeping together, but in the sense that when they're done they kind of enjoy the bliss for awhile but in the end they pull back and go 'what just happened?'. And then awkwardness would insue. I don't know if that helps any, but that's what I was trying to say. Articulation eludes me from time to time lol.

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Anyway, moving to the actual subject, I'm kind of shocked at how many people seem to violently dislike Simon. He's always been one of my favorite characters. He's selfless and noble, and being so smart in some areas and so moronic in others makes him pretty amusing. I relate to him for that, too, because I've known so many stupid smart people. Med students who couldn't get their heads around why the economy was considered bad, lawyers who couldn't make casual conversation with a stranger to save their lives, professors who knew nothing outside their field of study, and who bored anyone they talked with to tears. It's common and it's funny. Also doesn't usually come paired with the will to sacrifice anything for anyone, which is what really makes me love Simon. There's great nuance to his character, and Sean Maher plays it out with astounding grace and amazing chemistry with most of the cast.

I completely agree with you there, he's one of my favorites as well for all of the points you just mentioned. In fact why I like him so much is because I'm apart of a family of 'Simons'. Brilliant people, tops in their class, but the family curse is lacking common sense lol.

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Well, I admit to being a novice in the martial art department, having studied formally only eight different styles of gung-fu and karate over a short span (Thirty years), so pardon me if I say that THIS martial artist had NO problem WHATSOEVER with the idea that a 98 lb girl with psychic ability to know the intent, if not the precise physical moves to be employed, of her attackers, combined with the ability to block out ALL distraction makes for a very believable martial scenario. She simply employed my lifelong martial code: don't get in the path of an oncoming strike, and never hit a man with a closed fist (especially if you can hit 'im with other stuff).
Her Combat Tai-Chi was most impressive, from an entertainment POV.

Wow, well I certainly can't argue with you there. I didn't study Tai-Chi (Tea Kwon Do) and my knowledge is tiny compared to yours

Ash
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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:34 AM

Oh... you are good.....

Tell me you're not as attracted to me as I am by you right now.

Edited to add: I did ask you for an apology..... maybe you haven't read that far?

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:48 AM

Heh... I'm probably not, but it's hard to stay tetchy at you for that.

And I saw. Mutual respect and all that. I did say I gave you credit, right?

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:53 AM

Don't worry... after time I tend to grow on you... lol

Yes. I read everything you said, and I've never been mad at you for a moment. I'm sure that feeling's not mutual, but then again, I'm the weirdo here.

Edited to add: Admitedly, I had to look up the word "tetchy".... little did I know, it meant "touchy", which is what I accediently thought you had meant to type originally.

BTW.... Tetchy was the word of the day on March 13th, 2003... according to Dictionary.com. HOORAY!!!

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:59 AM

Tetchy and mad aren't really the same thing. No worries.

*edit* Heeheehee, I've loved the word tetchy ever since I heard Mal say it.

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Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:02 AM