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Dark Angel

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UPDATED: Friday, July 27, 2007 09:56
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Friday, July 20, 2007 6:01 AM

I have been strolling through the DVD set of Dark Angel over the past couple of weeks. I absolutely loved the first season. The second season is where I have some major problems.

It seems like they were hell-bent on hijacking the series by changing the tone of the writing, and introducing new characters that were pretty foreign to the idea of the show.

I won't go into it any more, yet, but am curious about anyone else's views of the show. I also find it a little funny Dark Angel fans that post on imdb partly blame Firefly for Dark Angel getting the axe.

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Friday, July 20, 2007 7:36 AM

DARKFLY

I can give you my views after I buy it, I'm gonna buy both seasons when I'm on holiday in 2 weeks. I hope it's as good as people say it is, Michael Weatherly in NCIS is such a good actor and Jessica Alba is hot so I can't see Dark Angel being anything but brilliant.

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Friday, July 20, 2007 7:59 AM

CHRISISALL

Big fan here from the beginning. It's my co-second favourite series of all time (along with Buffy). The first of course is Firefly.

The first season (except for "Shortie's In Love) is PURE GOLD!!! Firefly quality, IMO.
The second season lost some of that 'realistic' vibe with the addition of the genetic 'nomolies. It became more science fiction-y. If you deal with the gear change (like me), the second season is very good, just not quite as gripping as the first, and heavy on the Max/Logan thing (which I didn't mind at all!)
Plus: final ep of the series directed by James Cameron!!! And it's a solid hour long!!Bonus!!!

Fan to the Max Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 8:05 AM

SINGATE

Quote:
Originally posted by iluvyosaffbridge:
I won't go into it any more, yet, but am curious about anyone else's views of the show.

I do believe season 1 to be the stronger of the 2 seasons. That is not to say I dismiss season 2 out of hand because there are a lot of good things that came along during those episodes.

You may want to dig around the archives. There are several informative threads on Dark Angel most of which were started by our very own Grand Poobah Chrisisall.

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Friday, July 20, 2007 8:15 AM

CHRISISALL

And here's a great DA site that's got screecaps, fanfic, and even FULL transcripts of all the episodes!!!
http://www.darkangelfan.com/

The forum connected to that site is pretty 'meh' though, teens talkin' which season she had the best hair and such...

Transgenic Poobah Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 8:19 AM

CHRISISALL

BTW, I liked her hair better in the first season, but near the end of season two it was getting pretty great in a different way/look.

Teen Poobah Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 8:31 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

Yeah, I have checked a few on SiTV lately. Season 1 is definitely better! *wishes Alba wore the D.A. suit in Fantastic Four*

I kinda like the theme music too.

Here are some previous discussions on this board.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=28739
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=24571

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Friday, July 20, 2007 11:26 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

There was a world of difference in seasons 1 and 2,and I thought they were really reaching w/ the host of new characters. I never really gave much thought that Firefly ended up in the same time slot as D.A. I really felt that D.A. was dying a self induced death all on its own, and (thankfully ) we got Firefly. For a while.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

http://www.darkangelfan.com/

The forum connected to that site is pretty 'meh' though, teens talkin' which season she had the best hair and such...

Transgenic Poobah Chrisisall

I'd have thought that'd be right in your wheel house.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, July 20, 2007 11:43 AM

ILUVYOSAFFBRIDGE

Thanks for digging up the old threads and all the insight. D.A. demise does appear to be self-induced, but it just appeared to be from misguided story-telling. It's not like 24 or Lost, where they just kinda ran out of story and were flying with no rudder.

Interviews with executives indicate that this was the plan for the plot of the series all along. It was also James Cameron's intention to have a portion of the series focus more on the "unusual" Manticore originated characters. They pushed the Sci-Fi area of the show and I think this alienated some of the slightly casual fans who tuned in to just watch Jessica Alba kick butt.

I'm partly typing out of my butt here, given that I'm not even half-way through the second season. That's just what it seems like so far.

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Friday, July 20, 2007 12:36 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by iluvyosaffbridge:
They pushed the Sci-Fi area of the show and I think this alienated some of the slightly casual fans who tuned in to just watch Jessica Alba kick butt.

I'm partly typing out of my butt here, given that I'm not even half-way through the second season. That's just what it seems like so far.

They WERE following their plan, but the shift in tone, and loss of Lydecker, was way too severe for many. Me included. I'm glad I gave it a second chance on DVD. The third-to-last and last eps of season two were awesome.

The neverending fan Chrisisall

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Friday, July 20, 2007 12:38 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd have thought that'd be right in your wheel house.

Well, sometimes...

Chrisisall452

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:13 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by iluvyosaffbridge:
I have been strolling through the DVD set of Dark Angel over the past couple of weeks. I absolutely loved the first season. The second season is where I have some major problems.

Yeah. That’s the general consensus (of smart people.)

The first season was golden. The second sucked so bad, I gave up on it. I’ve still not watched the whole second season, but I did watch the finale, which was uncharacteristically good.

Quote:
Originally posted by iluvyosaffbridge:
It seems like they were hell-bent on hijacking the series by changing the tone of the writing, and introducing new characters that were pretty foreign to the idea of the show.

Politics and world events played a big roll in this. Dark Angel was a victim of circumstances.

Quote:
Originally posted by iluvyosaffbridge:
I won't go into it any more, yet, but am curious about anyone else's views of the show. I also find it a little funny Dark Angel fans that post on imdb partly blame Firefly for Dark Angel getting the axe.

Yeah I remember those days. I used to be a pretty devoted Dark Angel fan. I was a regular member of the forum on darkangeltv.com from the pilot and one of the funders for both the first and second fan promotion projects. I would probably still be on that forum, but the forum took a huge dive following the cancellation and died. It became a troll’s haven. But I remember the night that we were all posting and waiting for our informants to pass on the message of cancellation. There was a lot of confusion, because the first information we got suggested that Fox had greenlit a Season three, but then we got the final word that it had been cancelled. And Yes, Firefly was initially implicated in this decision. There was a lot of anti-Fireflyism being thrown around in those days.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Monday, July 23, 2007 4:37 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:

The first season was golden. The second sucked so bad, I gave up on it.

Them's fightin' words, Finn!!!

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I’ve still not watched the whole second season, but I did watch the finale, which was uncharacteristically good.

You didn't see She Ain't Heavy?
That's a shame- great ep.
Harbor Lights was good...
Berrisford Agenda, Some Assembly Required...
I gave up on it the ep that Joshua got fleas, and only saw the whole season when I bought the DVD set.
It's WAAAY better that way.
First season is still some of the best TV ever made, though.

Transgenically, Chrisisall

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Monday, July 23, 2007 5:34 AM

SAMANIE

I loved Dark Angel, the first season was a lot more fun. I liked the fact that it was focused on Max and her sibs (I love Zack) I liked the second season but I prefer Lydecker as the bad guy

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Monday, July 23, 2007 7:27 AM

KAYNA

I love my captain

Ok. I love season one of DA and I like season two. I don't think it's bad at all (barring the halloween ep) it's just not the same show as season one.

My biggest pet peave about season two of DA is not the nomlies. It's the lack of relation to season one. Herbal and Bling disapear without a whisper of why or where they went. There's also an ep aboyt Joshua's brother Issac that's bacially the same thing a the season one ep Pollo Loco and it's not even mentioned as a way for Max to relate to Joshua. There's no "I understand. I been through the same thing." It bothered me mightily.

And I really missed Lydecker. One of the best villans ever. And even better as an amibiguos character.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

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Monday, July 23, 2007 7:58 AM

CHRISISALL

But White was a good evil POS...

Aimes Chrisisall

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Monday, July 23, 2007 8:00 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Kayna:
Ok. I love season one of DA and I like season two. I don't think it's bad at all (barring the halloween ep) it's just not the same show as season one.

You voice my thoughts.

Do we share DNA Chrisisall

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Monday, July 23, 2007 12:18 PM

JENNY08

Dark Angel is one of my favorite shows of all time. Up there w/ Firefly and the Lone Gunmen. I think I missed only two or three eps when they aired on TV. The first season was the best. Max was a lot cooler. She wasn't responsible for releasing all the other transgenics yet. She was funner. Also, Manticore (and Max) looking for just 12 kids was better than White hunting a whole bunch.

I think the second season, though drastically different from the first, was going somewhere but didn't have the chance to get there. Maybe they should have made the second season an entirely different show. The best part of season 2 is the characters. Most people love Joshua and love to hate White. Mole was a bad ass as well.

Transgenic since 2000

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Monday, July 23, 2007 1:12 PM

CHRISISALL

So glad to see the Dark Angel love here!

If the first season had been as good as the second, I still would have loved it, but it wouldn't be near Firefly IMO.
If the second had been as consistantly good as the first, Firefly would be my second favourite show...that's how much I thought of the first season!

Meow Chrisisall

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Monday, July 23, 2007 1:32 PM

CHRISISALL

Chrisisall's list of must-see season two eps:

Designate This
Bag 'Em
Some Assembely Required
Berrisford Agenda
Borrowed Time (for the Logan/Max factor)
Harbor Lights
She Ain't Heavy
Freak Nation

Also:
Hello, Goodbye and Dawg Day Afternoon, but only if you're a Joshua fan.

Big fella Chrisisall

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Monday, July 23, 2007 4:02 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain

As to the Max and Logan thing in season two, am I the only one who thought they should have been fiddling with Logan's genetics to fix it instead of Max's? If you find a way to make him immune to it, it doesn't matter that it's keyed to his DNA. OR however that worked. Haven't watched any of the eps in a while.

And I thought White was a great villan. Like Lydecker, he believed his path was the right one. I love righteous villans. However, I would have glady seen him destroyed if it meant we got Lydecker back.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

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Monday, July 23, 2007 5:30 PM

MENTISMORTIS

big fan of DA. season 1 is better than 2. but something bothered me from the beginning. it was the idea that everyone in the future speaks ebonics. i mean, even the rich white cyber terrorist ended his hacks with " peace, out."

i think this is where buffy has DA beat. JW created his own rhythm of language that made the show timeless and gave it mass appeal. the problem with street slang on tv is that its usually about 2 year behind the street. it felt like DA was trying too hard to reach the youth demo.

it didn't stop me from loving DA. it just worried me from the start that too much dated slang would prevent the show from finding the diverse audience that it would need to keep its ratings up.

and then came season 2. silly me, thinking they would alienate the audience with language. they decided to do it with critters. nobody likes ugly mutants. mutants that look like jessica alba, good. mutants that look like dogs and lizards, bad.

that didn't stop me from spending an entire evening tracking down the last copy of DA s2 in town at borders. one of the holders in the case was broken and it scratched a disc so badly that it wouldn't play, so i had to resurface it. i couldn't exchange it because there were no more copies to be had anywhere in my town at the time. i want what i want, when i want it.

ocd.

rob

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Monday, July 23, 2007 6:40 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You didn't see She Ain't Heavy?

Nope.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Harbor Lights was good...

Doesn’t ring a bell.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Berrisford Agenda, Some Assembly Required...

I remember Some Assembly Required, but not the Berrisford Agenda.

I did buy the DVD set for DA.S2, just in case I ever wanted to go back and watch them, but I’ve not yet. I still watch DA.S1. Flushed remains my all time favorite.

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Monday, July 23, 2007 8:09 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain

Flushed is a great ep but my fav is the one I mentioned in my first post here. Pollo Loco.

And Freak Nation really is a great ep. Wonderful seasopn ender. Leaves you wanting more.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:33 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by mentismortis:
something bothered me from the beginning. it was the idea that everyone in the future speaks ebonics. i mean, even the rich white cyber terrorist ended his hacks with " peace, out."

Truth to tell, it's been a while since I hung with the boys in the hood, so my street slang is a little dated itself. So as far as I'm concerned, the slang in DA is a combo of retro, real, and made up stuff, so that means it's sorta timeless IMO.
Aiight boo?

Down wit Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:38 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You didn't see She Ain't Heavy?
Nope.

My friend, do yourself a favour and at least watch that and Berrisford Agenda- AT LEAST!!!!

AM I RIGHT, MY PEEPS???

Peeps person Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:42 PM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by mentismortis:
nobody likes ugly mutants.

I do.

Us freaks gotta stick together.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:37 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain

You know, I liked the creature aspect of season two. Got no problems with mutants and monsters. I think they're cool.

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Op: You're fighting a war you've already lost.
Mal: Yeah, well I'm known for that.

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Friday, July 27, 2007 5:07 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Kayna:
You know, I liked the creature aspect of season two. Got no problems with mutants and monsters. I think they're cool.

Mole and Joshua were good, but gill girl?????UGGHHHH
It got a little X-Men-y with some of it.

Still, I loved it Chrisisall

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Friday, July 27, 2007 5:37 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Mole and Joshua were good, but gill girl?????UGGHHHH

Hey, I LOVED Gill Girl!, well, the woman playing her anyway.

Fe'nos Tol
JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

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Friday, July 27, 2007 5:42 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:

Fe'nos Tol

Uhhh...J, are you a member of a cult of something?

Chrisisall452

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Friday, July 27, 2007 9:56 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:

Fe'nos Tol
Uhhh...J, are you a member of a cult of something?

Chrisisall452

Yup, I'm a well bred cultist!

Fe'nos Tol
JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.
"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.

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