Wonderfalls canceled by trekkerj

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Wonderfalls canceled

POSTED BY: TREKKERJ
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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:29 PM

http://www.buffistas.org/showthread.php?thread_id=71&post_id=9310

Tim Minear - Apr 3, 2004 5:56:32 pm PST #9310 of 9405

Well, not sure what to tell ya'll -- but we're cancelled. Effective at once. The cow creamer will be silent this Thursday and forever forward. Once we recover from the not-shock, Todd, Bryan and I will see if there's some venue in which to air the remaining episodes. As I have said from the start, the thirteen taken as a whole tell a story and go to a place, so a run of this "limited" series would not be unsatisfying elsewhere. It's a question as to whether the studio will want to invest in a DVD release of a failed series. Maybe the episodes will sit in a warehouse someplace with that sled and the arc of the covenant.

Thanks for all the support and enthusiasm.

Tim

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:31 PM

BROOKIE

HEY FOX,

FUCK YOU

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:32 PM

TREKKERJ

My thoughts exactly. I don't think Tim was that surprised though. They should have went for a cable network instead of FUX.

Quote:
Originally posted by Brookie:
HEY FOX,

FUCK YOU

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:37 PM

LINDLEY

This was a show that was really begging to be on USA or something like that.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:41 PM

DRALIONSOLEIL

this is becuase i forgot it switched nights and watched the apprentice instead, isn't it?

I'M SOOOORRRYYY!!!!!

:(

damned fox.
grr! argh!
::rampage::

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:45 PM

DOCTORTAM

Crap Crap Crap.
I've only seen the two most recent episodes, but I was really getting into the show. How many episodes were there?

Why doesn't it ever go smooth?

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:47 PM

LINDLEY

13 episodes were produced, but only 4 ever aired.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:50 PM

LINDLEY

Anyone know the address to write to at Fox? I don't want to protest their decision----it would be pointless----but I am anxious to express my extreme disappointment.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 5:51 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

They need to run those 13 on FX sometime soon, even if it is in the middle of the night. I would tape them all.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 6:09 PM

DOCTORTAM

DVD Set!

Why doesn't it ever go smooth?

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 6:15 PM

TOMANTA

Here's another post from him in the same thread [there are a few others, but this is the most substantial]

Quote:

Tim, is there anything we can do? I've never participated in a "save our show campaign," but I adore this show and I'll do anything to save it. Who can we write to about this? What should we ask for? This show is excellent and deserves to be shown in full, somehow.

In terms of "saving" the show? Not really anything you can do. The network is a non-starter here. The stuido, 20th, is possibly a different matter. If they get the sense that people would buy a complete series DVD set, it might happen that the series becomes available in future. But please don't waste your time or money on trying to revive "Wonderfalls" for a pick-up with Fox. Ain't gonna happen.

When we first began this series, I was asked by many why I would put my trust in the network that mishandled "Firefly" so terribly. Well, because it felt different to me. Initially, there was real excitement and belief in "Wonderfalls" at the network. My feeling with "Fireflit couldn't launch it or sell it with any measure of success.

And again, "Wonderfalls" felt totally different to me. At first. Then, at some point in the process, I could sense an erosion in enthusiasm. Even as we were finding our footing and delivering to them some really exceptional episodes (ones you never got to see!), things got chilly. Then they couldn't seem to find any place on the schedule for us. Then they did... and it was Friday night. I tell you now, the moment that was announced, I knew it was over. They were dumping us into Friday nights and that was that. When the smashing reviews started coming in... and coming and coming and coming... I think they didn't know what to think or do. You have but one chance to make a good first impression. But they'd given up on the show before it ever aired, and even when the lion's share of critics were hailing the show, it was too late for them to backtrack and launch the series with any kind of conviction. My "Firefly" experience was repeating itself. I think it was USA Today that said this may be "the wrong show, in the wrong season, on the wrong night, on the wrong network." Just so. I do think market forces were at work here, too. Not just incompetence.

I don't know if any network could have brought an audience to this show. Certainly no network that dumped it on Friday night, promoted it in such as way as to try and trick people into thinking it was "Dawson's Creek," or that didn't, apparantly, agree with the things the critics were saying about it. I do think any network wants whatever they pay for to be a success. I don't think they MEAN to strangle something in the crib. I know that the next time I shop something to a network, I'm going to hope to find a network that understands and believes in the thing they ordered. And if they thought it looked good on the menu, I'd hope they'd still have a taste for it once it got to the table.

There's a whole 'nother half of this post... but I deleted it.

Twice burned, me.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 6:59 PM

SUCCATASH

This is very sad. The DVD release is inevitable. I will buy it for my friends.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 7:39 PM

11THHOUR

FOX just doesn't give unusual shows the time they need to grow. All of this carnage will inevitably lead to shows finding other ways to reach their audiences. When networks plow under their new crops before they have a chance to grow, all we'll be left with is dirt.

Enter "The Swan".

11thHour

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"Doing the impossible makes us mighty." - Malcolm Reynolds

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 7:45 PM

JENTLE

Damn Fox.... God, I'm just.... disgusted right now.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 7:48 PM

KINGOFTHEMUDDERS

That's whatcha git for bein clever.

*Flushes toilet*

*crowd cheers*

Now, besides stating the obvious (this really sucks), I am really going to miss Jaye (and more specifically, the actress of the ridiculously complicated name that I can't even begin to pronounce, let alone spell), cause, well, Jaye was/is/was the most unique female character on television. And really hot. That too. Hot. Yes. That. And no William Sadler. Television is not television without William Sadler appearing on it in some way, shape, or form.

Let's face it, Fox did everything it could possible do to get this show out there (they put it on TV didn't they?!?) and it tanked. Let's pick up the pieces and shove em up our nose and in our ears so maybe, just maybe, it'll cause enough brain damange to make us enjoy all the fine programming Fox offers ("Oooh hey, the OC!")

It's just a name people; I'm not really the king of the mudders. Just a prince... always a prince...

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 7:49 PM

HOTFORKAYLEE

I have not posted in quite some time but I had to on this one.

How do you place a show on Fridays, show 3 episodes, move it to Thursday for one, then cancel it?

Wow, I love Firefly but Wonderfalls got screwed even harder. Why?

What did Joss, Tim, or any of their people do to piss fox off so much? It is almost like fox has a vendetta against anyone involved with Whedon. They figured they would get him, now Tim, sign them to contracts then screw them.

Think about it. You are a tv exec and you hate someone. Sign them to a deal for an awesome show and kill it. You try to get their best work that you can and bury it. They can not take it elsewhere now without your consent. You also know that this will not show up against any of your reality crap to take viewers.

Mercifuly they let Universal have the rights to a Firefly movie, but you can bet they either made a ton of money or kept all the merchandising rights so they could cash in.

FUCK fox

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:45 PM

BUDCLARE

Quote:
Originally posted by HotForKaylee:
Think about it. You are a tv exec and you hate someone. Sign them to a deal for an awesome show and kill it. You try to get their best work that you can and bury it. They can not take it elsewhere now without your consent. You also know that this will not show up against any of your reality crap to take viewers.

*blinks*

*backs away slowly*

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She has had congress with the beast.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:46 PM

RHUTTNER

Quote:
Originally posted by HotForKaylee:

Mercifuly they let Universal have the rights to a Firefly movie, but you can bet they either made a ton of money or kept all the merchandising rights so they could cash in.

You are making a very common mistake. The Fox that you are cursing is not the one that let Universal have anything. FOX Television Network Cancelled the show that 20th Century Fox Television Studios made and 20th Century Fox Home Video released on DVD. These are different companies of the same umbrella company.

As Tim said:

Quote:

In terms of "saving" the show? Not really anything you can do. The network is a non-starter here. The stuido, 20th, is possibly a different matter. If they get the sense that people would buy a complete series DVD set, it might happen that the series becomes available in future. But please don't waste your time or money on trying to revive "Wonderfalls" for a pick-up with Fox. Ain't gonna happen.

The 20th he is referring to is 'Fox'. This means that if you want a DVD set of Wonderfalls, you have to ask the company that made Buffy, Angel, The Practice, Judging Amy, Roswell, and Yes, Dear--of of which never aired on the Fox Television Network.

And if 20th Century Fox Television made any money off the deal with Universal, or from merchandising then good for them. The people that decided to cancel it will not see a penny of it since its a different company. Its not like ABC makes money from the Charlie's Angels movies (as far as I know).

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:51 PM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

Feh. I should've known. I thought Wonderfalls was different for Fox. Yeah, they put it in the same Timeslot-o-Death, and the promos they put together for it were pretty crappy. That part was déjà vu all over again.

But they actually aired the promos! And the promos themselves weren't quite as terrible as Firefly's promos! And they showed it in the order intended! And re-aired the pilot on a better night! And when it did better on that night, they actually tried moving the show itself to that better night! Yeah, some people missed it because they didn't realize it got moved, but it was a step in the right direction.

Feh.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:57 PM

LINDLEY

Actually, the "next episode" promos were pretty decent......for someone who's seen the show. I imagine they wouldn't have been as good to those who hadn't. The pre-premier promos certainly weren't exactly grabby.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 8:59 PM

SEVENPERCENT

Quote:
Originally posted by Brookie:
HEY FOX,

FUCK YOU

And so, the boycott resumes- Here I had given Fox another chance, and started watching their shitty network again, only to have them rip the rug right out from under my chair again-
I even had made a funny post about returning to the Fox fold after so long (and killing the show because I liked it)-
Well, Fox can go fuck themselves- If you can read this, you dirt-scraping, sycophantic, reality obsessed attention whores, I am never watching your network again - Way to fuck up and kill another good show- Hope your next reality show about more sleazy attention whores goes real well for you-

Let me see if you are ever going to win any Emmy awards for TV excellence- Oh, sorry, my Likely Meter is reading 'Not fucking likely'-

Sorry about the language folks, but I'm callin' it like I see it this time-

to Fox

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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:06 PM

STATIC

YOu know. . .this was one of the things I was looking forward to once I returned home. My roomate was taping the episodes for me so I could get 'caught up' as soon as I returned.

Tim. . .Joss. . .is there some reason you guys HAVE to write for FOX? You guys are a WELL of creativity and inspiring ideas . . .and FOX seems to hate you! Is there someone else you could write for?

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:32 PM

NOXIOUS

That's it. The last straw. I give up on TV. From now on I'll stick to video games.

You are
What you do
When it counts
-The Masao

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:39 PM

RUXTON

Bill Sadler?! Sadler was on Wonderfalls? Must have been a great show, though I never saw it. (I cancelled Fox the day the last "Firefly" ep aired, and have seen nothing of Fox's agenda since then.)

Bill Sadler was so vital to "Roswell." He's one outstanding actor.

Give us a DVD!

.......Ruxton

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:43 PM

LINDLEY

Quote:
Originally posted by Static:

Tim. . .Joss. . .is there some reason you guys HAVE to write for FOX? You guys are a WELL of creativity and inspiring ideas . . .and FOX seems to hate you! Is there someone else you could write for?

If Mr. Minear is reading this.......

No one would blame him if he severed all ties with Fox at this point. I mean, really. It should be obvious that Fox is incompatible with inventive shows by now. Better for everyone if they stop trying to stick the starburst peg in the square hole.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 9:55 PM

RUXTON

Seems to me we need specific names at Fox TV, names of those who are specifically responsible for this cancellation/Friday-viewing horse crap. It does little good to curse the bastards without being able to point directly at those involved, seems to me.

I have long suspected an agenda, or personal vendetta, against Joss and Mutant Enemy and have said so on this forum, formerly to deaf ears.

.......Ruxton

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:01 PM

KINGOFTHEMUDDERS

Mr. Minear, if you are reading this and have read what was written earlier about leaving Fox, please don't. Instead, think of the worst concept possible and then write the worst pilot you are capable of and then send it to them. More likely than not, they will love it and it will be a big success.

Hopefully, the concept will be about Monkeys in Space.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:41 PM

HARDWARE

Quote:
Originally posted by SevenPercent:
If you can read this, you dirt-scraping, sycophantic, reality obsessed attention whores, I am never watching your network again

Actually I am going to watch Fox again. I will be watching their most popular shows to compile a list of all the advertisers so I can write to them deploring the fact that they are advertising on Fox. I will inform them that since they choose to advertise on Fox I will choose to not purchase their products and I will encourage my friends and acquaintances to also not purchase their products.

Hit 'em in the wallet. TV executives have a very rudimentary nervous system. You have to hit them where it hurts to get their attention.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 10:53 PM

OUTLANDER

Fox Should Burn In Hell For This! At least we got to see half a season of Firefly. Never have I seen such a brilliant show get cancelled so quickly. Four Episodes! What a Joke! All I have left is complete disbelief.

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Saturday, April 3, 2004 11:39 PM

FREDEP

Gorramit, can't sentence properly right now...
very very sad, Wonderfalls was probably one of the few series really worth watching (read downloading) this season, and again the idiots at fox didn't give it a chance. Do these people actually have brains??
This again is a sad day for quality television, man I'm pissed

fox

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Well, my days of takin' myself seriously are certainly comming to a midle

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 1:48 AM

OUTLANDER

DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET

This is a subtle suggestion that we need to get all 13 episodes of Wonderfalls out on DVD.

DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 2:12 AM

MUTT999

*****FOX BLOWS!!!!*****

"That's the buffet table....."

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 2:43 AM

3OF19

I hate FOX! Honestly, how can they do that?! First hold back the show for a midseason replacement, allowing Joan of Arcadia to seem all original, then misadvertise the show, then put it in the Timeslot of Death (tm), then switch it to Thursday and not ever give it a chance to grap onto the new time slot.

They even produced 13 whole episodes of it. The TV season is almost over anyway, why not air the rest and see it if catches on instead of throwing the it in the trash?
Gorram it!

Baka! Tawake!

Noutarin! Shiri-nuke-me!

I am actually sitting here with a lump in my throat and almost crying. Yeah, it's "just" a tv show, but hell, what a show it was.

I wonder why writers of good different shows even bother with Fox... And why Fox bothers to buy shows that they don't intend to give a fair chance...

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 2:48 AM

KILLEDBYRIVERSBRAIN

I just don't understand what the hell network people are thinking. This stuff just floors me. Why spend the money? Why invest in anything? Why don't all of their shows represent whatever bullshit makes them money? Why is there anything that involves writers? Why is there a Sci-Fi channel? It should be the Bullshit Reality Show Channel. Why is there Spike? It should be Bullshit Reality Show II. Why do they have. MTV 2 and VH1? THey should be Bullshit Reality Show III. Don't get me started on PAX, WGN and all the rest of the networks that should be Bullshit Reality Show Network Affiliates. Fox, go ahead and cancel Wonderfalls. Go ahead and let the Simpsons actors walk out. You're Bullshit Reality Show Network Prime and you just haven't changed your name.

I hope you like Guinness, sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for . . . food.
-Jack O'Neill

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 3:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Yep, that went well.

Hey Fox!

YOU! With the actors who do the voices of the Simpsons on strike, I'm done w/ T.V. PERIOD!

Curse you and your sudden but inevitable betrayal indeed

FOX TV

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. Worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:10 AM

BOOMERGOODHEART

I'm watching 24 until the end, and then I'm done with Fox. Fucking bastards.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:14 AM

SERENA

I swear by my pretty floral bonnet that FOX will not appear on my tv again. I'm deleting the number from my remote. Cancelled?? After four shows?? (insert look of incredulity!)

Meanwhile, my condolences to Tim and the cast and crew of Wonderfalls. I thought it was a fresh, quirky, excellent show with enormous potential, and I'm awfully sorry to see it snuffed out this way.

Please help Haken keep this site running by clicking on a google ad on the side of the page!

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 6:33 AM

TOTALLYFRYED

Quote:
Originally posted by outlander:
DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET

This is a subtle suggestion that we need to get all 13 episodes of Wonderfalls out on DVD.

DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET DVD SET

Maybe this is the best way to start:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/index.cfm

Also, I'm beginning to think that the people who produce the TV shows for Fox Studios should be the ones actually running the Fox network, and that we need to perhaps send Rupert Giles to straighten out Rupert Murdoch...

"C'mon, Kaylee. We all know I'm the funny one."

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 7:07 AM

SUCCATASH

Until Fox takes it down, you can watch the Music Video on the official site.

http://www.fox.com/wonderfalls/

It was sad to watch.

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 7:22 AM

SUCCATASH

We can request Wonderfalls on DVD by contacting 20th Century Fox's DVD store. Look! A toll free number! (Evil Laugh)

http://www.foxstore.com/faq.html#new
New and Upcoming Release Information

For more information on new and upcoming DVD or VHS releases, please email foxdrop@4icc.com or call 1-888-223-2FOX.

EDIT:
HOLY COW! I just called the number and spoke to a woman who works for FOX DVD. I asked if I could request a FOX TV show to be on DVD and she said SURE. So I said Wonderfalls, and she said they take customer requests and pass the info along once a month.

Everyone should call the toll free number and request Wonderfalls on DVD!

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 7:36 AM

VENA

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
Actually I am going to watch Fox again. I will be watching their most popular shows to compile a list of all the advertisers so I can write to them deploring the fact that they are advertising on Fox. I will inform them that since they choose to advertise on Fox I will choose to not purchase their products and I will encourage my friends and acquaintances to also not purchase their products.

Hit 'em in the wallet. TV executives have a very rudimentary nervous system. You have to hit them where it hurts to get their attention.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

Don't forget to post that list for us here!

See, not to say I told you so...then again I just did.
This is why I could not bring myself to watch it. I could not stand this pain again. To all of you who were better people than me and still had hope for this ‘verse: my truly deepest condolences.

F*X will NEVER again grace my TV screen. I am training all I come across with electro shock therapy that F*X=BAD

fuck you f*x

Just keep diggin' your self an even bigger hole in that special hell

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WOW!!! Tash your right! There was a person who answered the phone!! *Gets creeped out by the lack of automated voice answering service*

I called for you brave Wonderfalls souls. Hope it helped.

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'Hahaha! Mine is an evil laugh!'

http://stripe.filetap.com/

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 7:55 AM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

*Manually having to hold jaw off floor*

Wow. An actual person, who picked up on like the 2nd ring. Who was friendly and helpful. At a toll free number.

This was about to break my entire world view, until I realized that I was calling 20th Century Fox, not FoxTV. Now it just needs a severe realignment.

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:24 AM

KELLAINA

I can't believe this. Why must every show I love get cancelled? It's weird, I watched two of the episodes I missed on Friday night (#2 and #4) and was thinking about how much I loved Wonderfalls and how maybe I could begin to forgive Fox. Apparently not.

Stupid, mind-reading morons.

Now how am I going to nurture the massive crush I have on the hot bartender?

Bring on the DVDs!!!!!!

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:26 AM

KINGOFKOINS

What a kick to the gorramn balls. Finally, another good show came along, and it's fucking gone after four fucking episodes. MOTHERFUCKER!!!

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:40 AM

BAMADAVE

1)3.4
2)2.6
3)2.3
4)2.1

fuck the tv viewing public.

tru calling 3.5
wonderfalls 2.1

fuck tru calling fans for not sticking around to watch.

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:49 AM

RUXTON

Once again, I suggest the actors & crew sue Fox TV for failing to present a show properly. Does anyone know if there's a clause in the typical contract that prevents this? Could not a class-action lawsuit, possibly involving the viewers as well, override any such clauses?

Also, how come all you folks who promised to never watch Fox after they screwed up Firefly are STILL watching it? Didn't you learn the first time? Yes, I was tempted to sign up for Wonderfalls from the comments here, but...it was on Fox.

Someone noted on this thread that actions like this by Fox will cause a major change in the way TV shows are produced and presented in the future. Nielson ratings seem to be worthless. There IS a market for quality TV. Does anyone really prefer "The Help" to "Firefly"?

Only by revolt (class-action lawsuit) will any changes be made. Anyone else angry?

......Ruxton

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:00 AM

GHOLA

I was expecting Wonderfall's to be cancelled from the start but I'd really hoped that they would have showed more than 4 episodes. I'm hoping they'll show the remaining 9 episodes on FX or some other cable network because at this point while I enjoyed the show I didn't enjoy it enough to buy the DVD's. I won't be boycotting Fox as I don't have a nielsen ratings box so it won't make any difference but the only show I watch on Fox is 24 anyway.

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:19 AM

BENCHCOAT

bummer. any chance that Bravo (or someplace like it) might pick it up and air all the episodes like they did for Keen Eddie? at least somebody would get the chance to see them

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:34 AM

BADGERSHAT

So, once again, we see that the FOX execs are incapable of seeing the ACTUAL reality out there. They pile "reality TV" on us by the pitchforkful, but haven't the slightest clue what people want to see happen. They take a brilliant show like Firefly and doom it to death in the same approximate conditions that killed Star Trek 30 some-odd years ago. I never watched Wonderfall, but I've heard nothing but HIGH praise for it. And so, naturally, FOX dooms it to death in the proven kill zone on Friday nights.

In the words of Jayne, "It don't make no sense..."

Folks, I think I'm done with them. I know I'm not alone.

Here's my idea.

Never mind writing to save a show, never mind writing to get a show onto DVD.

Let's all buy a post card, and each of us get 10 other people (or more if you can!), and we all simply write "I solemnly vow never to watch the FOX network or any FOX affiliates again."

No ultimatums, so begging, no suggestions, no asking to bring something back, no conditions, no cojoling to make changes.

We're done. End of it all. Never to watch their network again, nothing they can do will change it (unless they pretty much fire EVERYBODy and bring in a whole new team of execs and writers and producers and designers and who the F

K am I kidding?)

This is a call to arms.

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"I like smackin 'em"--Jayne

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:58 AM

UNICORN

I have a theory about Fox TV Network. As many people know, they tend to be very... politically conservative. Right Wing. Bordering on Facists. They make Ronald Reagan look like the Women's Lib President. OK, so I've showed my hand here. I'm sorry if I offend anyone who isn't as obviously bleeding-heart as I am. I have no bone to pick with most conservative individuals-- just the ones who make me look like a centrist by comparison. (Believe me, I'm no centrist!)

Tim-and-Joss tend to make very creative, out-there (dare I characterize it as left-wing?) kind of stuff. I have thought all along, first with Firefly and now with Wonderfalls (this really cements it for me) that the feeling among Fox TV Execs is that good TV with any kind of a liberal bias is dangerous to the Fox TV Machine, which is dedicated to taking us back to a simpler time when men were men and women couldn't wear pants in public.

I think this was completely political. I think the good reviews garnered by Wonderfalls only *increased the speed* with which Fox pulled the plug, because they increased the chances it might get watched by somebody. Fox doesn't want any show to air, anywhere, that might make liberals or lesbians or companions or independent people look good or feel good about themselves. So they buy up first-rate, cutting edge ideas, gain legal control over the material, and sabotage it so it can never hope to be successful, so it can never be aired by anybody else, so it can never compete with their cheap programming crap or cause the world to open up and be a little less fearful of People Who Are Different.

Or, as I put it when I sent the bad news to my mom, FOX SUCKS!!!!!

There is no such thing as a weed.

Unless it's a good show trying to grow on Fox, that is.

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