It's been 6 years since Firefly, the show seems dated and other series are better now... by chrisisall

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It's been 6 years since Firefly, the show seems dated and other series are better now...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Saturday, March 22, 2008 06:39
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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:09 PM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Supernatural is filling the void left by Buffy.

May have to buy that someday...season one was okay.

Chosen- the single finest final ep of a series, EVER!!!!!!

This mortal wound itches Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:12 PM

TRAVELER

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Originally posted by traveler:

I have not seen a science fiction program that compares to Firefly.
Well.....Dark Angel's first season comes about as close as a show ever has....

Hello chrisisall:

Will have to take your word for it. I never saw Dark Angel. Did watch Enterprise. But that one season they had with the ongoing plot dragged on to long for me. I started to drift away and even missed most of the final season. They should have continued along the lines of the first two seasons. I talk like I am an expert.

But that is why I left the show. I am still waiting for a decent SciFi to arrive. The only show that really caught my attention is Medium. They surprised me by not getting stuck in a repeating plot line. Nearly every episode was different. The characters feel very real.

This season Medium got messed up by the writers strike. Like what show didn't. It turned into game show paradise. God save me from Deal or No Deal. Most stop and wash out my mouth, I mean my keyboard.

I am actually wearing out my DVD's. Watching Firefly, Wonderfalls, and my guilty pleasure Rocky Jones Space Ranger. That last one should give you a clue as to how old I am since I saw Rocky when it first aired.

Well we really got bated into this thread. But it is a good one. Good to hear from everyone about their feelings on SciFi these days. I don't have cable so I miss a lot not having the SciFi Channel. So if there is some good programing there I only see it if a local station repeats them like they do with Stargate SG1. I am always one or two seasons behind everyone else. We did get Atlantis but they quit broadcasting it so I will miss our favorite mechanic playing doctor.

Take Care;
Traveler

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:23 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by traveler:
We did get Atlantis but they quit broadcasting it so I will miss our favorite mechanic playing doctor.

I LOVE that
A) My favourite character from Voyager is gonna be in command, and
B) Kaylee is gonna be a regular!!!!

Bad thing is- I no got-y the SF Chanel, so I'll be behind when I buy the DVD's...

Make mine Atlantis! Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:31 PM

TRAVELER

Looks like I will have to do the same thing. If this keeps up I will need a spare room to store my DVD collection. But which series to buy first is a hard choice. There are so many seasons of the original Stargate SG1 it will cost a fortune to get a complete collection. Maybe they will have a sale at Amason or Best But one days.

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:34 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Supernatural is filling the void left by Buffy.
May have to buy that someday...season one was okay.

Chosen- the single finest final ep of a series, EVER!!!!!!

This mortal wound itches Chrisisall

Nah... HUSH

Just ordered the Northern Exposure box set. It's a different kind of show from my younger years that I always loved. It has it's moments of pure fantasy. The kind of fantasy you really only find in real life. They always did that so well. Watching that show was one of the rare times I'd well up.

Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about. I did like the imagery though: A Rhino in an empty swimming pool... Could it be called sci-fi?

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:48 PM

CHRISISALL

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But which series to buy first is a hard choice.

Go with Atlantis- it's cheaper (only three seasons on DVD as of now), and the show is better than SG1 (IMO).

Shepisall

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:50 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Northern Exposure

A fine series. Not a bad ep save for a few in the last season.

Adamisall

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:20 PM

TRAVELER

Northern Exposure fans.

I liked that show too.

I saw an episode of "Men it Trees" and I got the impression they were trying to mimic Northen Exposure. But The writers strike hit and I have not seen or heard anymore about this show so I don't know if it is returning.

Hello Chrisisall:

I think you have the right idea about getting Atlantis. Fewer seasons so I can catch up on the storyline faster. Also a lot cheaper then trying to buy several seasons of SG1. I had plans to buy one at a time and spread the cost out, but there are so many other series I would like to get. I am like a child in a candy shop when it comes to buying series. I waltze around Best Buys straining to decide what I would most like to have. That is how I found Firefly. I don't think I would have bought Firefly except for seeing Ron Glass was in it. So he is the reason I now own the finest set of DVD's in my limited collection.

God bless you Ron Glass;
Traveler

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:45 PM

STRANGEBIRD

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Originally posted by traveler:

God bless you Ron Glass;
Traveler

I second that. I'm holding out hope for Ron guest starring on Atlantis. Don't take that to mean there are genuine rumors... or even a chance. It's my own little idea and it would rock if he was.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Strangebird:

I'll even go so far as to say that even IF Joss ever brings Firefly back in some form on TV it wouldn't be as good. Even with all the original cast, crew, writing staff... fans... It still wouldn't be enough to capture what Joss and crew made with the first bit.
Lightning sometimes strikes twice in the same spot....
Just sayin'.

It was a fair time...Chrisisall

I just mean even if it's great and better than anything else it probably won't be as sweet. Part of why we love Firefly is the fact it was so tough it got beaten, smothered, kicked in the groin and shot and yet it was so amazingly witty and brilliant and honest it survived. At least in spirit anyway.

While I, like I said before, do not think Firefly will return. I do have faith that Joss will revisit the 'verse and it's downtrodden heroes again someday. And not just in graphic novel or comic book form.

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I LOVE that
A) My favourite character from Voyager is gonna be in command, and
B) Kaylee is gonna be a regular!!!!

Bad thing is- I no got-y the SF Chanel, so I'll be behind when I buy the DVD's...

Make mine Atlantis! Chrisisall

I agree... and I agree.

Sorry you don't have SFchannel. I've considered dropping my satellite service. Only reason I haven't is I'm not sure I could live without Scifi and the Travel/Discovery/Science channel family. About the only channels left with anything decent on. Well History and Nat Geo aren't bad.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:19 AM

LCRUSSELL

*sweet come hither smile*

That was brilliant....and mean as hell.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:45 AM

CHRISISALL

Thank youisall

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:48 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Enterprise mighta worked if they had not made the same mistakes they make every single time.

1. The breaking of the vulcan stranglehold and birth of the federation in response was a GOOD storyline, nicely morally grey, and a great setup to contrast racial outlook and philosophies without laying a lot of blame or getting preachy about it - and also a handy way to introduce and explore races we don't know a lot about in the Trekverse, like Andorrians, etc...

"Since you helped me, I haven't been sleeping too well, and I LIKE my sleep!"
I liked him... only saw a few eps before I saw where it was going, but I liked that guy, really.

But no, they tossed out the best storyline they ever coulda had for the usual formulamatic trektripe.

2. Yes, the ship was undergunned and defensively weak, and it shoulda STAYED THAT WAY - but for the folks who write trektripe they just can't mentally allow a ship that isn't superior in some fashion to anything they run up against, cause, you know, then they might have to negotiate from a terrible position or actually think their way out or.. heaven forfend! the curse of kirk!, actually fight *dirty*... but nooooo, can't have that.

3. Substitution of technology for story, nuff said, it's a staple of trektripe.

4. Time travel, another staple.

5. Trying to link it up in some inexplicable badly done halfassed fashion with every other piece of trektripe out there, therefore screwing up not only it's own continuity but that of all the rest of it too, further demeaning the works.

Cause it just can't be... UNRELATED, yanno.

I didn't hate Enterprise for what it was...

I *despised* it for what it COULD HAVE BEEN... and wasn't, cause it was never allowed to be.

-Frem

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:16 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I didn't hate Enterprise for what it was...

I *despised* it for what it COULD HAVE BEEN... and wasn't, cause it was never allowed to be.

I thought it coulda been better also.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:31 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about.

I got the Wild Palms dvd a couple of weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, and right now I can't remember if I got it from amazon, deepdiscount.com or ebay. I vaguely remember when it was on originally but I don't think I ever saw any of it. I was working two jobs at the time and wasn't watching much tv at all then.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 5:47 PM

REGINAROADIE

Hello Chrisisall:

I'd hate to be the lone voice of dissent, but I have to say something that's been slowly building in me over the last two years.

My enthusiasm for FIREFLY/SERENITY is waning. I know I bought the SE DVD of the movie, and when it and FIREFLY finally come out on Blu-Ray, I'll be picking them up (SERENITY and KNOCKED UP are two 'Versal titles I'm itching to get on Blu-Ray. I'd add BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy, but I think that's going to take a while.). And I picked up the first issue of BETTER DAYS on Thursday and loved it. And it's still my dream project to cast Jewel and Sean in the lead roles of a romantic drama in the vein of BEFORE SUNRISE/SUNSET.

But to tell you the truth, I am getting a little sick and tired of hearing how FIREFLY is the best TV show of the decade and that everything that came before, except for BUFFY (but not ANGEL for some reason), and after sucks and isn't fit to lick the dirt off FIREFLY's boots. Don't you guys have other shows to watch that might have touched you in some way even more than FIREFLY?

I'm a TV junkie, so I watch way more than I should. In 02, along with FIREFLY, I was obsessed and in love with another new show that got royally screwed over by it's network. That show was BOOMTOWN. Pretty much took the cop show formula and breathed new life in it with it's Rashomon POV structure and it's beautifully flawed and complex characters. David McNorris could give Mal a run for his money in the "tortured character" department. Where's the passionate fanbase for that? And 24 was improving on it's already first great season with another great season that ratcheted up everything else about the show that blew my mind the previous year. And over on HBO, THE SOPRANOS and SIX FEET UNDER were continuing their stellar runs and showing truly incredible stuff.

And since then, sci-fi and fictional TV in general has gotten a lot better. Even just the regular run of the mill stuff has gotten funnier, more exciting and just plain interesting with it's plots, characters, visuals and stories. Yes, TV would be better if there were fewer CSI spin-offs, AMERICAN IDOL knock-offs and more journalistic integrity. But there's the time honored tradition of changing the channel or just turning it off.

Don't you think it's more interesting and exciting to see new episodes and characters and worlds on a regular basis as opposed to watching the same 14 episodes of a 6 year old series over and over again? I don't care if it's a layered series that you can discover new things when you watch it. Watching the exact same thing over and over again gets boring.

I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that FIREFLY is the be all/end all of television when I've seen the last hour of Greek tragedy and bullets of Day 1 on 24, the touching, raw and ultimately redeeming quality of SIX FEET UNDER's exploration of life and death and it's mind-expanding finale, the incredible depth and epicness of THE SOPRANOS, the high wire act of comedy that was ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, Pam crying in the hallway on THE OFFICE, Jack's plea of "We have to go back!!!" on LOST, Hiro's "Yattah' in Times Square and Noah's and the Petrelli Bros. act sof sacrifice on HEROES, the fun and touching adventures across space and time with DOCTOR WHO, Ned and Chuck making abstinence seem cool and sweet on PUSHING DAISIES and many other individual moments and series over the years that has astounded me.

I just think we should look elsewhere is all.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:47 PM

STRANGEBIRD

Yes another insanely long post from StrangeBird... my less literate and patient brethren may skip and read the first and last paragraphs I summed it up nicely for you at the end. Those of you who already quit reading? You should relax more, no more caffeine for you.

I think I understand reginarodie's point. It's sorta what I was trying to say in my own posts. Alot of what makes us love Firefly so much was the fact that it failed. It was probably the best TV in the first half of the decade. At least as far as Scifi goes. It's definitely one my favorite series. I sometimes get a little carried away in describing my love for the show. And my tendency to... over-exaggerate tends to dominate my posts. I've only been a Browncoat for nearly two and a half years. I first watched when it aired on Scifi. I caught two episodes then didn't see it again until I bought the DVD for Serenity, remembering the series I bought it as well. I think I'm one of the few late comers to the scene who watched the series in it's entirety before seeing the movie.

There have been moments of other series that have touched me. If any of you were lucky enough, and interested enough to watch Journeyman in it's entirety then you'll get what I mean when I say the last few minutes of the finale were easily some of the best I've ever seen on TV. It ends on such a satisfying and sad yet promising and exciting note that it hurts alot that there will apparently be no more of it.

I love Chuck. It's had both seriously thoughtful points as well as downright nearly pee your pants hilarity. It's cast has the same honest charisma seen in Firefly's cast. Not alot of shows have that with it's entire regular cast as well as the recurring. In my opinion if any show were to ever look and feel better than Firefly, to me anyway, it would be Chuck. Not just because Adam's in it either.

I'm not at all a fan of either Buffy or Angel. I never got either show and couldn't get into the plots or the silly prosthetics that make TNG look like Lord of the Rings. What little I've seen did have Joss' trademark wit and intelligence... It just wasn't my style. Neither is BSG, Doctor Who, Torchwood or half the other shows people seem to really like these days. I guess that just makes Firefly more special to me. I can find flaws if I look hard enough but even then I can still enjoy it immensely. I understand it... and even when I understand the how or what of other shows I usually don't get the why. Lost is a very good example of that. I get what the writers are going for, I just don't understand why.

Heroes is good but it's never fully where it should be. If every episode were structure like "Company Man" it would be as good as Firefly. As it is it jumps around too much and has too many weak plots going at once which draw away from the usually interesting and well done central story arc. There have also been time where the exact opposite were true. That problem and some sub-par acting are the only downside to the show. Season 2 has been both better and worse then season 1. Sounds odd but with a show like Heroes it's possible to suck and score at the same time.

I still think there hasn't been anything in the space fairing scifi to top Firefly, before or since. There's been television that's touched me as deep and entertained me as much but not often at the same time as Firefly does. Firefly isn't the greatest show of all time... it's just my most favorite. Please no one kill me for that.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:09 PM

REGINAROADIE

I think in the case of HEROES vs FIREFLY, I think with Joss, he knew that the show could be canceled at any moment, so he knew that they had to make the most of it with the time and money they had. I think that if FIREFLY was huge out of the gate and had LOST's and HEROES' popularity, that maybe they would have eased up and it wouldn't have been as good as it was.

With HEROES, since they do have the luxury of not being afraid of being canceled at any moment, they can take their time in setting characters and plots up before really exploding with tension and quality. So while at times it may be a bit slow, it's only because they're building steam for the really big payoff episodes. They never had their head up their asses, like LOST did for a year and a half. First year, awesome. Second year, aside from the Desmond/Penelope plotline, nothing really exciting or interesting happened. Half of the third year was sitting around, literally. But amazingly enough, they got things moving again, and then culminating with the "We have to go back" flash forward. And so far this season, they've been going full speed and not stopping.

As for the "suck and score at the same time", I'd have to say BSG fits that to a tee. It's maddening, drawn out at times and incredibly bleak. You can tell that they're killing time with the in between episodes, even though I wish they could do at least one episode told from the POV of one of the civilians on the ships. BSG has too much of a military fetish for my tastes. But the 9/11 and war on terror allegory works at times, and when they do focus on their big moments, they do it perfectly.

Also with you on JOURNEYMAN. Might have had a slow start, but the last few episodes did have some great stuff in it that could have lead to greater moments.

But the main thing is that I agree with you. FIREFLY was a great show, but the medium of TV wasn't invented so that fifty odd years later it would create it. Get over yourselves. Joss has as much faults as he does qualities. And I think it's somewhat stagnating to hear unanimous praise heaped onto any one show or movie.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

You were right at the top. Now Paris Hilton has her new show New BFF for us all to watch. Remember that smash top hit show in 2002? On E! network, it was with Anna Nicole Smith?
No need to watch anything else.

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Monday, March 17, 2008 10:11 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:

My enthusiasm for FIREFLY/SERENITY is waning.

Personally, I find myself watching it less often, but when I do see it, I'm as thrilled as ever.

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But to tell you the truth, I am getting a little sick and tired of hearing how FIREFLY is the best TV show of the decade and that everything that came before, except for BUFFY (but not ANGEL for some reason), and after sucks and isn't fit to lick the dirt off FIREFLY's boots. Don't you guys have other shows to watch that might have touched you in some way even more than FIREFLY?

MORE? Not really. Dark Angel equaled it for me on occasion...and Buffy too & Heroes to a small degree...that's pretty much it, series-wise. I'm lovin' Stargate Atlantis, but really, it's just fun nonsense, and Trek is where I come from, but even most of that just doesn't have the heart FF/Serenity does.

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Don't you think it's more interesting and exciting to see new episodes and characters and worlds on a regular basis as opposed to watching the same 14 episodes of a 6 year old series over and over again? I don't care if it's a layered series that you can discover new things when you watch it. Watching the exact same thing over and over again gets boring.

Hence my watching it less often- an attempt to keep it 'special'.

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I dunno. I just find it hard to believe that FIREFLY is the be all/end all of television when I've seen the last hour of Greek tragedy and bullets of Day 1 on 24, the touching, raw and ultimately redeeming quality of SIX FEET UNDER's exploration of life and death and it's mind-expanding finale, the incredible depth and epicness of THE SOPRANOS, the high wire act of comedy that was ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, Pam crying in the hallway on THE OFFICE, Jack's plea of "We have to go back!!!" on LOST, Hiro's "Yattah' in Times Square and Noah's and the Petrelli Bros. act sof sacrifice on HEROES, the fun and touching adventures across space and time with DOCTOR WHO, Ned and Chuck making abstinence seem cool and sweet on PUSHING DAISIES and many other individual moments and series over the years that has astounded me.

All good, but sorry Reg, no Firefly.

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I just think we should look elsewhere is all.

Nothing but love for that sentiment- just don't expect to find better.
Unless Dollhouse rocks.

Keeper of the faithisall

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Monday, March 17, 2008 10:15 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Bah, the word "Fan" is derived from fanatic in the first place - so it's not like you don't know in advance folks are gonna be touchy about it.

Sayin Firefly was top dollar doesn't mean there ain't other good stuff out there, but in our opinion, not *AS* good, especially mine, cause if any of were even close I'd be watchin it...

Firefly's quality overcame my personal hatred of television and it's programming style.. just for a little while, and no other show has done that.

We're browncoats, I mean... to say that we're a bit fanatical and have strange tastes is to commit an extreme of verbal redundancy.

-F

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Monday, March 17, 2008 10:20 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Hey out of curiosity anyone remember the Wild Palms mini series? It's been a long time since I saw that show... I've totally forgotten what the hell it was all about.

I got the Wild Palms dvd a couple of weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, and right now I can't remember if I got it from amazon, deepdiscount.com or ebay. I vaguely remember when it was on originally but I don't think I ever saw any of it. I was working two jobs at the time and wasn't watching much tv at all then.

Good to see it is out on DVD. I don't remember the subtleties too well, but as I recall it held my attention. Funny thing is I can only remember the Rhino in the swimming pool... I wonder what the hell that was all about? It would be very interesting to see it again. Was it produced by Oliver Stone? I rememeber Keith Gordon from Christine directing a couple of the episodes. Hmmm. Glad to see someone else remembers it too. :D

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Monday, March 17, 2008 11:33 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Sayin Firefly was top dollar doesn't mean there ain't other good stuff out there, but in our opinion, not *AS* good

Zactlyisall

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Monday, March 17, 2008 12:14 PM

LOSTCAUSE1

Yeah, as a college student who looks at television and film as my career of choice, the more I watch, the more certain I am that there is no one great show, that there is a large body of work that is the best, and each one is better than the others at certain things, but no one series or film can call themselves 'IT'.

If there are two series that I would choose as the 'Best of the Decade' they would be hands-down BSG and Firefly. I'll admit, I'm saying that with the bias of having only seen one episode of Lost, and maybe two of Heroes, and a part of one for Dark Angel, but I'll stand by my first statement. Firefly showed the most realistic future for humanity out of any sci-fi series I have seen. BSG is one of the best depictions of flawed humanity of any show. And for those who voiced problems with season 3, look back and realize the reason why season 1 was near perfect was that it only had 13 episodes. Season 2 & 3 had 20, so there will be obvious weak-points, and if you watch from the beginning much of what was done that people didn't like in season 3 was being set up in Season 1. They stuff you'll notice with the knowledge of what happens later is astounding.

But back to Firefly. As many people on this board, I was lucky to be introduced to Firefly on DVD before I saw Serenity. And as much as I love Firefly, the most I do is lurk on boards such as these, and wish that the closest Browncoat group was closer than 300 miles away, I think we can all be glad that our show is among the best.

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Monday, March 17, 2008 12:29 PM

STRANGEBIRD

I don't think Heroes is slow at all. My main problem is they take no time at all to set up anything. Most episodes they just jump from one little snippet to the next. The pacing within each piece is fine. Instead of cramming a bit of the main arc, and five or six other smaller arcs in one episode they should tie two of those smaller ones into the main and not focus on anything else. I hope to god they killed off Nicky for good... they need more room to breath and she's easily one of the weakest links. It's not hard to follow or anything, it's just frustrating when they kill the pace of the episode overall by jumping about like a kid hopped up on crack and Bawls changing channels while spinning in circles.

Anyway I'm a Browncoat. I'll never find a flaw in Firefly that will turn me off to it. I'll never stop enjoying an afternoon or evening watching a couple episodes or a day off doing a full marathon. I do like other shows. I'm also a Gater(Stargate Fan) and a big fan of M*A*S*H. I have posters on my wall of only four things Serenity, Stargate Atlantis, Bob Marley and Jimmy Buffett. Browncoat will, as far as I can see, be at the top of my list. I've been wearing one of those camouflage silicone Browncoat bracelets for about six months. There are better shows... just none I love as much.

Also I forgot to add that another show I've enjoyed watching lately has been 'My Name Is Earl' I'm a newcomer to this sort of show and have been pleasantly surprised at the dialog and plots. Which can miraculously achieve idiotic and genius at the same time. Another one to add to a list of witty shows with great writing and loads of genuine charisma between it's cast members. It's been airing Monday nights(that's tonight) at 9:00 central time on TBS. I've laughed harder at a few points than I might ever had watching Firefly the first time.

P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all. I'll give it a damn good shot. It sounds like the type of show that's going to appeal greatly to the Buffy and Angel fans among our ranks. Which like I've said often before I am not one of.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:25 AM

CHRISISALL

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P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all.

I'd bet cashy money that you're in error here!

Chrisisall, back from the future

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:48 AM

STORYMARK

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I don't think Heroes is slow at all. My main problem is they take no time at all to set up anything. Most episodes they just jump from one little snippet to the next.

Intesresting. I feel exactly the opposite. Sometimes, Heroes feels like nothing but set-up to me. The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:54 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Storymark:
The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

But wait 'till you see where they go next!
Three is make-or-break, and I have faith that they'll deliver. They killed off the excess baggage, what more do you want?

Heroisall

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:23 AM

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Originally posted by Strangebird:

P.S. While I think Dollhouse will succeed I seriously doubt I'll enjoy it very much at all.
I'd bet cashy money that you're in error here!

Chrisisall, back from the future

Oh Chrisisall just loves to set the fox among the chickens! LOL

I do agree w/you: I watch Firefly and Serenity less often, but when I do I am again struck by how wonderful: exciting, funny, and deep, this sci-fi show is.

I loved Star Trek (TOS, Next Gen, DS-9, and Voyager) but they don't stand up to watching too often. And although there are a lot of shows out right now in the Sci-fi/fantasy genre that I am enjoying, I don't find myself compelled to catch them on reruns, record them for closer viewing, and/or discussing them online endlessly.

So all in all I have to say that Firefly remains (for me) the best in Sci-fi, just as Buffy remains the best in fantasy. It doesn't mean that I don't watch and enjoy a lot of television.

Oh and (edited to add): I'll be VERY surprised if I don't love Dollhouse just as much!

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:54 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
The whole second season was set-up that practically led nowhere.

But wait 'till you see where they go next!
Three is make-or-break, and I have faith that they'll deliver. They killed off the excess baggage, what more do you want?

Heroisall

Isn't that kinda my point? Maybe next season will kick ass, but that many episodes of pure set-up, especially when a lot of it undid the character progression already established in the first season, just came off as needless wheel-spinning.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:06 AM

CHRISISALL

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came off as needless wheel-spinning.

True, not nearly the season one experience, but it was worth it to see DL get killed, IMO

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hehehChrisisall

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Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:27 AM

CLJOHNSTON108

I can't watch my Firefly DVDs anymore... by myself, that is.
I get mad that, even after all this time, pretty much nobody I mention it to has ever even heard of it.
But when I have a friend over that I want to convert, and I start the Serenity pilot playing, their reactions get me charged up again, and I feel like I did when I saw FF for the first time (after the BDM trailer first hit the Net).

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Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:39 AM

MAL92REYNOLDS

If you want to see a show that is almost as ood as Firefly then check out the British show Doctor Who and its spinoff show Torchwood. These are excellent series and Doctor Who is the longest running sci-fi show ever.

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