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Bill Maher's new movie is to try to dispell all religion, and all belief in God. Why? what does he gain? Who's funding his movie?

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Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism. But especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I believe in God. and contrary to what many athiests believe (I know there are many on this site alone) it doesn't make me stupid.

I have never lost sleep by reading the bible, in fact I hardly ever read anything in it. But I do believe there is a all mighty being(a creator) of everything. The universe, the way the seasons change, a single blade of grass, how utterly perfect people(and all life forms) are designed. Our earth is perfect for sustaining life with abundant food supplies, and water. It's exactly the right distance from the sun so that people don't fry, or freeze to death. It's so un-random it's scary. Everything has purpose.

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Originally posted by Whisper:

...I think it looks hilarious and thought-provoking at the same time.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Have you seen his movie? He is not saying that believers are dummy's, nor does he say he does not believe in God. He is simply asking how the people who believe absolutely can.....believe absolutely.

I mean come on, do you ACTUALLY believe that Noah built an ark and got all the animals on it? Do you ACTUALLY believe that the dinosaurs and man resided on earth at the same time? Do you really think that God created the earth in 6 days about 3000 years ago? 6000?

He is simply asking the question. If one is trully faithful and a believer then they should not feel threatened.

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“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi

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Originally posted by Whisper:

...I think it looks hilarious and thought-provoking at the same time.

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Being that that's your standard , how'd you like EXPELLED ?

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/home.php

Bill Maher , like so many other fictitious characters , does occasionally cause me to laugh...

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Originally posted by Whisper:
Here's my question...

Why is it that when a movie comes out that is "anti-religious" is some fashion there is a big outcry, but when a movie comes out obviously pro-christian, no one says boo about it?

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Please, wake up - spend some time in a hospital or a nursing home and you will discover that we're full of parts that wear out and break and then we just stop living altogether. Perfectly imperfect really.

Did God create disease? Cancer? Cholera? Tuberculosis? Alzheimer's? So he could watch us be tortued before we die? At least many of us will be able to do some extreme suffering before we die - Thank you God! And those that survive us, their suffering may be even worse. Double thanks Big Guy - u da man!

Season's are nice though, unless you're talking about hurricane season. Katrina? Official Act of God.

"Abundant food supplies?" Africa? Children starving by the thousands?

Any religion worthy of following shouldn't be afraid to answer tough questions or stand up to a comedian's scrutiny. Don't you want to know the truth?

And fwiw I'm not a fan of Bill Maher.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
(and if they don't say it, in most cases they still think it)

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Originally posted by Zeek:

Sorry but human beings and well pretty much all living things are incredible technological marvels. We couldn't create anything even close with the knowledge we have. "Perfect" is all relevant. Is it perfect for humans to constantly die out and at the same time spawn a new generation hopefully slightly evolved to handle their environment better. Would it be more perfect if we were immortal but eventually died because we couldn't live with the changes in the environment? Would it be perfect if humans started to overpopulate the planet and a disease sprung up to counter the overpopulation and kill us off? Is pain bad?

You seem to have made a lot of assumptions about perfection that I don't think everyone would necessarily agree with.

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Have you seen his movie? He is not saying that believers are dummy's, nor does he say he does not believe in God. He is simply asking how the people who believe absolutely can.....believe absolutely.

I mean come on, do you ACTUALLY believe that Noah built an ark and got all the animals on it? Do you ACTUALLY believe that the dinosaurs and man resided on earth at the same time? Do you really think that God created the earth in 6 days about 3000 years ago? 6000?

He is simply asking the question. If one is trully faithful and a believer then they should not feel threatened.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
lol Come on are you really claiming to know people's thoughts? It sounds more like you're believing what you want to believe to justify your feelings. There's almost never a good situation for projecting qualities onto a whole group of people. Turns out people are fairly varied and diverse. You might be surprised what they really believe if you ask them.

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Originally posted by ne0ven0m:
I do not believe in God. But I also don't believe it's right to impose your beliefs or lack of beliefs onto others. Bill and Bible thumpers are in the same boat to me, the boat of disrespect and intolerance towards others.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Yes, I "never asked them", lol! I feel you're being a little naive if you think that the only way to know what people are thinking is if they articulate their thoughts. Sometimes what they don't say, or the way they say what they do say, is just as revealing.

It's ironic that you scold me for making assumptions about people and end up making an assumption about me, namely that I don't know enough Christians to have formed an opinion of them. I'm a life-long atheist and grew up with Christians all around me; I've been involved more religious discussions than I care to remember and I think I know the Christian mindset well enough.

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Just don't know why people try to debunk others beliefs

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Just don't know why people try to debunk others beliefs

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Look at it this way: faith and atheism are mutually exclusive, opposite beliefs. A believer in one cannot express their views without contradicting, and thus on some levels debunking, the other.
What I find frustrating as an atheist is that every time I express my beliefs I get christians taking it personally. It's not meant as an attack when I say that I don't believe what christianity says and don't think it's a good guide to morality. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, I'm entitled to express that opinion, just as people are entitled to express a belief in religion. By doing so they automatically contradict and debunk atheist views, and yet thats always okay. (Which I think is the hypocritical attitude some others on this thread have said annoys them).
Perhaps we should talk more in terms of what we do believe rather than what we don't believe, maybe that would make it seem less like an attack. On the other hand though, maybe believers should accept that atheism is a belief system and not simply a lack of belief. Out of all the Christians I know, many believe all morality comes from faith, that all atheists are inherently evil. This is deeply offensive, and yet prejudiced attitudes like that go unchallenged. Even those who claim not to think like that have accidentally betrayed a condescending attitude to my beliefs. As mentioned, it's almost impossible for atheists and religious people to not challenge each other's beliefs. The key is in accepting that, and accepting that its nothing personal. And although no-one ever complains when someone expresses a positive attitude towards religion, a belief in christianity for example, the reverse is not true. When an atheist speaks out about their world view, well, we get debates like this.
As far as Bill Mahers goes, he does seem to be deliberately sensationalist, but that's the media for you. He'd be much more of a threat to religion if he didn't try to court controversy.
By the way 'Do you believe in God? Bill Mahers doesn't.' has a rather derogatory tone, as if his not believing in God is something shocking that we should all gossip about and condemn him for.
Just my two cents. In keeping with the gist of my arguement, I'm not trying to attack, just trying to explain.

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Originally posted by traveler:
Not all of us, who believe in God, belong to a formal religion.

To me the perfection of existence is that it is random. It is all chance; from the smallest particle to grand region we call the universe. Religion has been used to persecute others, including competing religions since its creation. If religion did not exist then we would find some other excuse to perform genocide. We are very inventive. So I don't blame religion. Religion is just pawn to be used to enforce hate.

We invented racism. A lot of people have died over that. Does not matter what religion you belong to. If you are the wrong color then you are less and not worthy. Yet someone finds a passage in the Bible to support it.

You can interpret any of the religious texts to your advantage and use religion to make any claims you want.

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But , when they do it , they call it nonfiction...

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Look at it this way: faith and atheism are mutually exclusive, opposite beliefs.

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Quick question: If one is dead certain that there isn't a tea cup in direct orbit around the sun, does that count as faith, a belief, or plain old common sense?

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By that standard, there's no such thing as common sense.

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
OK, so here I go.

I believe in God. and contrary to what many athiests believe(I know there are many on this site alone) it doesn't make me stupid.

I have never lost sleep by reading the bible, in fact I hardly ever read anything in it. But I do believe there is a all mighty being(a creator) of everything. The universe, the way the seasons change, a single blade of grass, how utterly perfect people(and all life forms) are designed. Our earth is perfect for sustaining life with abundant food supplies, and water. It's exactly the right distance from the sun so that people don't fry, or freeze to death. It's so un-random it's scary. Everything has purpose.

Bill Maher's new movie is to try to dispell all religion, and all belief in God. Why? what does he gain? Who's funding his movie?
If your an Athiest, that's fine. It's what you believe. I may think your wrong, but I certainly wouldn't want you to become a christian either. Religion has always been a touchy subject. Why can't the stigma of Christians being "dummys" die? And while were at it, let's also drop the stigma of hostile athiests. Kirk Cameron didn't pay me to write this.

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Originally posted by BionicBatman:

His movie is just an aetheist answer to Expelled. Notice how in the previews he isn't going to people who know the faith front and back. He goes to people on the street to make them look stupid.

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Anyways, where do these people get their beliefs that they are right and everyone else who disagrees with them is wrong? Is the Lack of tangible evidence all it takes to say someone else is wrong?

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Anyways, where do these people get their beliefs that they are right and everyone else who disagrees with them is wrong? Is the Lack of tangible evidence all it takes to say someone else is wrong?

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I think I could ask the same question of religious people, so many of whom are CONSTANTLY telling me that I'm wrong and that I'm going to hell for my non-belief.

So how is it that they're right and everyone who doesn't believe exactly like them is wrong?

Is some flowery fiction written down in a book all it takes to say someone else is wrong?

Mike

This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.

Trolls Against McCain!

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
The list of things caused by religious conflict is really quite long, from massacres in Rwanda to 9/11 via the Holocaust and the Spanish Inquisition.

If everyone was calm and content like you to live and let live, there wouldn't be a problem. But that's not what happens.

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OPERATION NORTHWOODS - the signed confession by US Govt for perping terrorist attacks in USA
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

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"Government control of communications and transportation."
-Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank

"On Earth-That-Was, the two ruling powers were once known as America and China. And pot was totally legal, though I probably won't stress that. In fact, forget I said it."
-Joss Whedon, Serenity: The Official Visual Companion, A Brief History of the Universe
circa 2507A.D.

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"I'd make a great terrorist."
-Mark Loizeaux, owner of Controlled Demolition Inc, paid a $3-billion contract to "demolish" the World Trade Center "after" 9/11, bomber of 7,000 government buildings, graduate University of Tennessee Knoxville, BBC's The Third Tower

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006

www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."

QUESTION: "But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11..."
DANA PERINO: "No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now."

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, heh heh heh, just so long as I'm the dictator, heh heh heh."
—Governor George W Bush, November 2000

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-George W Bush, Gridiron Dinner, March 2001

"I don't give a goddamn! I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way! Stop throwing the Constitution in my face!. It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
—George Bush Jr, Capital Hill Blue, Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper, December 5, 2005
www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
—President George H. W. Bush Sr Knight of the British Empire, conversation with US Army Intelligence agent and White House press corps Sarah McClendon, December 1992

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, no question about it."
—George Bush Jr

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"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time - it is the most faggy goddamn thing that you would ever imagine with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
-President Richard "Dick" Nixon, White House audiotape, Nixon Presidential Library, 1971
www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html (audio download)

“I’ve been up to Bohemian Grove. It was a bizarre experience to pee on a tree with Henry Kissinger and slam drinks with William F. Buckley.”
-Actor George Wendt (Teddy Bears Picnic mockumentary about Bohemian Grove)

"I'm not going to end up tied down to a Pentagram with Henry Kissenger standing over me naked with his fat belly hanging out, holding a dagger in his hand, am I?"
—Alex Jones, from Jones' undercover video Dark Secrets, as Jon Ronson was briefing Jones on how to infiltrate the Grove for British Channel 4 TV

Undercover Video: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove and The Order of Death
www.archive.org/details/DSIBG
www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/
www.infowars.com/bg1.html

Snuff Kiddie Porn at Bohemian Grove
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6497462494231069386
http://one.revver.com/watch/248515

Boners at Bohemian Grove
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2740234893142263113
www.garageband.com/artist/countercoup

Moloch.
an ancient Phoenician and Ammonite god, to whom children were sacrificed by burning.
-Webster's New World Dictionary

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
-Leviticus 20:1-5, Christian Bible KJV and Jewish Torah

"And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon."
-1 Kings 11:6-7, Christian Bible KJV and Jewish Torah

“Just the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a (goyim – human cattle)

“The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Midrasch Talpioth 225

“The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Orach Chaiim 57, 6a

“Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Kethuboth 3b

“The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Zohar II, 4b

“Everywhere they (the Jews) come, they will be the princes of the lords.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Sanhedrin 104a

“I (Jahveh) make you (the Jewry) the ancestor of the peoples, I make you the selected one amongst the peoples, I make you the king over the
peoples, I make you the loved one amongst the peoples, I make you the best one amongst the peoples, I make you the trusted one amongst the
peoples.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Schabbat 105a

“Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Zohar I, 168a

“Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Babha Kama 113a

“The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, IV/3/54b

“When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Iraqi Talmud, Erubin 43b

Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Independent candidate for president in 2008, Independent Reform Party presidential candidate in 2004, ex-Green Party presidential candidate in 2000, Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003

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Originally posted by Khyron:
Quick question: If one is dead certain that there isn't a tea cup in direct orbit around the sun, does that count as faith, a belief, or plain old common sense?

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Originally posted by embers:
has anyone in this thread actually seen the movie?

Just asking.

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Originally posted by embers:
has anyone in this thread actually seen the movie?

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George Bush Jr's grandfather was Satanist Aleister "The Beast 666" Crowley
www.rense.com/general77/acrow.htm

"The Oath of Fealty I bind my blood in Satan's hands, All this that lieth betwixt my hands To thee, the Beast, and thy control, I pledge me; body, mind, and soul. Pledge I swear to work my Work abhorred, Careless of all but one reward, The pleasure of the Devil our Lord."
—Aleister "The Beast 666" Crowley 33° Grand Inspector General Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and Frater Superior Baphomet XI°, SATANIC EXTRACTS

"But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."
—Aleister Crowley, MAGICK in Theory and Practice

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"This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British."
-Professor Texe Marrs, Captain USAF Intelligence
www.conspiracyworld.com/index0128.htm

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Originally posted by whozit:
I wonder if he goes after Scientology? Alot of Hollywood is into Scientology, if he does, he may be taken off the party A-List

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Anyways, where do these people get their beliefs that they are right and everyone else who disagrees with them is wrong? Is the Lack of tangible evidence all it takes to say someone else is wrong?

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I think I could ask the same question of religious people, so many of whom are CONSTANTLY telling me that I'm wrong and that I'm going to hell for my non-belief.

So how is it that they're right and everyone who doesn't believe exactly like them is wrong?

Is some flowery fiction written down in a book all it takes to say someone else is wrong?

Mike

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