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Sad today...

POSTED BY: JCAVATAR
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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:30 PM

It's probably been posted a hundred times. but I have to get it off my chest.

I never knew of firefly when it was on...well no way I could have, was in Iraq.

When Serenity launched I was intriged, and ended up watching it. Best Sci-fi movie ever. then I found out it was a continuation from a TV series and went out and bought the series.

After having watched it through a second time I feel sadness that it's done. I find myself not wanting to watch it again as I got so much enjoyment from it.

I dont understand why this show never made it, as I do not know how or if it was marketed well, given by the air dates being out of sequence, I guess it was mishandled greatly.

I guess there is still hope, as there was a Firefly MMO announced, but thats all i've heard reguarding firefly in general.

again sorry if theres a million of these, but I feel profoundly touched by firefly and needed to express it.

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:45 PM

BYTEMITE

*pat*

I still have hopes that if Dollhouse does well, Joss is going to announce a summertime Firefly mini-series.

And there's the comics, at least...

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:49 PM

JCAVATAR

Yeah, seen the comercials for dollhouse... seems a little risky but will probably work, as it is very different from everything else on these days.

I'll have to check on those comics..

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 6:55 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by JCavatar:

sorry if theres a million of these

No need, Browncoat. And thanks for makin' it home alive. *passes the Mudders' milk*

No spillage so far....

Welcome!

*Cat knocks his mug over*

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:03 PM

DREAMTROVE

Marketing errors of incompetence, rather than malice, i think, killed the show. Joss should own up to some of those being his. I think you earn the right to tell a story like this, by pandering first. I say this as a real Joss fan, but when even I can see the strategic problems, it is imho an issue. You need to build that support base before launching into an arc. I think Buffy survived because of its initial episodic nature. Real story arcs came later. Alternatively, he could make an entire show of pandering, get rich, and then finance it himself, but as a dabbling writer, I'm beginning to grasp this harsh reality.

Fox comes in for a lot of abuse on this board for the marketing. There's no question a lot of blame belongs there, I'm just giving a counterpoint, speaking the treason that no one else will say. They've has learned some, but still has a lot to learn, and TV is dying in the meantime. Episode shuffle didn't help, episodes were played out of order, a fear with Dollhouse also.

Fortunately, it's tied to Sarah Connor now, which regardless of what people think, is basically always good, and the more chance of shared audience, the better. Also, friday is pretty sweet. Fox seems to be bending over backwards to help, they just don't get the serial.

I like Sarah Connor, personally. Summer Glau makes a mean terminator, and it's an interesting character exploration. The show itself is no Firefly, but it has its merits.

A lot of people here will have a lot of recommendations of things that you might like.

As for the FF MMO, it's been shelved, I'm trying to get together a group to build one, under the radar as it were. I'm working on some other stuff at the moment.

Anyway, stick around, this place is a pretty good source for new suggestions, exchange of ideas, and we have the occasional fantastic fight ;)

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 10:25 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Hey JC, don't sweat it. This is the place for shoulders to "cry" on. I felt pretty much the same way when it was canceled (well, actually I was more steamed than sad then) but when I found out that the series was on DVD I went right out and bought it.

There isn't a day that passes that we get another passenger climb aboard and declare undying love for this series, the story, the characters and Joss. BTW, before I forget, I'm damn glad you made it back home alive and I hope all is well with you.

"I guess it was mishandled greatly." You said it. Mishandled is a kind word for it. Fox constantly preempted the program and treated it like a bastard child. Airing it out of sequence, for the type of story that was to unfold, meant sure death for the new show. Only true devoted fans and sci-fi geeks (of which I'm a proud member) would stick with the show all the way. I didn't miss an episode, I knew it was special right away.

If this site had a banner flying high in front of of the millions of Browncoats throughout the world, it would read:

"I feel profoundly touched by firefly and needed to express it."

Welcome aboard newbie, chow's in ten.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:22 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Welcome aboard, jcavatar.

I do have one question though, and I think it must be that you are confused as to when Firefly was first broadcast. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we didn't go into Iraq until Spring of 2003, right? Firefly ran from September-December 2002. Possibly you were there when the dvds came out, but not when it first aired?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:52 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Welcome aboard JCavatar. Glad to have you here posting with us.

No worries, we never get tired of new people coming on and telling us how they found the show. We're glad you took the time to post and tell us how you feel about Serenity / Firefly.

Have you seen the comic mini series? "Those Left Behind" and "Better Days"? Both excellent mini series that continue the story.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:40 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

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It's probably been posted a hundred times. but I have to get it off my chest.

It can never really be said enough.

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I never knew of firefly when it was on...well no way I could have, was in Iraq.

And thank you for that.

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again sorry if theres a million of these, but I feel profoundly touched by firefly and needed to express it.

As we all have at one time or another, in various ways.

*pours Kaylee's really fresh wine*passes the cup*

Rest assured, browncoat, you are most definitely not alone.

Veteran of the Throes of Cancellation—FFF.net fan since 010703
Doing the impossible makes us mighty
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Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:47 AM

DREAMTROVE

SGG

:) as I pre-empted yours. I knew that was coming from a couple of people, so...

ECG,

So he was in Afghanistan at the time. The still weren't running firefly. Also, he could be an Iraqi :)

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:00 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Welcome to the party.

There's a trick I just learned lately- you put the cursor over a Username and a little line pops up on the bottom of the browser, some sort of hotlink, that shows that person's user number. You are # 35470, which means that there are 35469 other folks out there who feel just about the same as you do. Most all of us have posted the same thoughts.

There's more of us every day. Hang on, keep hopin', do something to show a high profile when you can. It may be a long haul, but none of us are going to give up.

Oh, and BTW, do watch the eps again. Don't deny yourself the pleasure. Betcha a nickle you missed some favorite moment.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 7:52 AM

AISLING

*console JC* I saw the movie preview for Serenity and thought it was going to be awesome, and then a friend of mine converted me.

I had enjoyed shows before, but nothing before or since, has grabbed me as Firefly did. I didn't even realize there were forums, podcasts and even shindigs being held. And yet, I admit, it took me another year to create a login here and start posting... I was afraid that I'd log in and then the site would go down or people would fall away and my heart would break all over again.

I am slowly listening through my two fav BDS/BDM podcasts, The Signal and Firefly Talk, reading the comics and finding other outlets. And I keep on hoping.

Keep flyin' JC!

~A

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 9:22 AM

RIPWASH

Just gotta say, I finished watching Serenity today and I'm in complete agreement. What a sad day. To think I only just discovered this fantastic, short-lived show and now . . . it's over (at least for now - I'm keeping my hopes up).

I, like so many, didn't pay too much attention to Firefly when it was first aired (for which I now hang my head in shame). I don't even really remember hearing too much about it. It seemed right up my alley, but too many other things were on that occupied my tv watching time, I suppose. But the rumble of how great the show was kept gradually increasing to a dull roar. So I "broke down" and watched the pilot "Serenity" on Hulu.com. Then I watched the next episode and the next . . . good grief! This show is awesome! How it was so badly handled is beyond me. I'm hooked and I do find myself moved by this show like almost no other. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but . . . great writing, great acting, great effects, great chemistry between the actors. I mean c'mon! Is Hollywood really that dumb?

I do have one question, though . . . in the series, Simon keeps saying he has no idea what they (the Alliance "school") did to River or why and it was implied that he spent his entire fortune on getting other people to help her escape. Yet in the movie, he was the one that got her out AND he got what I can only assume was a complete briefing on what they did to her AND why (at least in general - making her a weapon). Was there a reason this jump was made? Is this explained anywhere - that Simon had a general idea all along and was hiding his motive?

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 9:30 AM

CHRISISALL

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Is this explained anywhere - that Simon had a general idea all along and was hiding his motive?

Well, either Simon never told the crew EVERY detail of her escape, and his understanding of her condition to protect her for some reason, or Joss had to throw out a quick & simple back story for River so the non-Firefly-fan movie goin' public could get up to speed fast for the movie.

I tend to go with the former, rather than the latter, myself.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 9:40 AM

BYTEMITE

It took forever for my two synapses to connect and watch the show.

I never heard of it when it was on.

I saw Serenity in the theatres and never realized it had been a tv show previously (and yeah, I thought it was a great movie when I saw it, better than the new Star Wars. I even bought the DVD for my brother for Christmas).

My friend let me read his RPG manual for Serenity, by which time I'd forgotten ever SEEING the movie and therefore didn't realize they were the same, but I loved the concept of the RPG. And I still didn't know about the show.

Until finally I saw Dr. Horrible, heard about Firefly, and decided to watch it. So... I'm officially an idiot, and I hope my sort of pathetic story of missed opportunities helps redeem every other newbie out there, because there's no way anyone has been more dense than me.

Anyway.

I've always thought that the movie retconned that on purpose. That in the Serenity pilot episode, Simon was more concerned about the crew and it's very intimidating captain believing his story than he was about taking credit for his amazing infiltration job.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:03 PM

JCAVATAR

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Welcome aboard, jcavatar.

I do have one question though, and I think it must be that you are confused as to when Firefly was first broadcast. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we didn't go into Iraq until Spring of 2003, right? Firefly ran from September-December 2002. Possibly you were there when the dvds came out, but not when it first aired?

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

You sir are correct, but my job usualy kept me in the field training for war... so in a sense Iraq caused me to miss it, as that year leading up was wierd as to the amount of training we did, one would think Iraq was on the table well before the public knew or even us ground pounders.

thank you all, its nice to find a place with so many likeminded individuals.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:35 PM

SAFFRONSHUBBY

I know what you mean. I'm going through withdrawal waitin on my blu-rays to get here. At least I can re-live the episodes on-demand. And then there's that funny little thing called hope. Until I hear Joss say that it is over, I always have hope in my corner!

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:28 PM

MIIKE

we are big and we are mighty ,we basically own the netz,if things went off how many time something was googled we would have our second seriese now,but as things go now aparently ownly tv hits count ,and i gave up on t.v ages ago,p.s watch dead set second best show ever made :)

October 12th, 1985. Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown.

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:29 PM

EMBERS

I am ever hopeful, because even though I know there is little hope... but never the less I know that Joss & all the actors still love Firefly/Serenity with all their hearts....

So if Dollhouse is a huge hit?
If Nathan Fillion is a huge hit in 'Castle'?
If Summer Glau becomes a big star from 'T:SCC'...
if any of those things were to happen, then it could very well make Universal decide that a sequel to 'Serenity' might be a good idea...

The first movie DID break even (from DVDs) and if Universal ever thinks that a sequel could be marketed with bankable names then they would probably be open to the idea...
they know that we haven't gone away,
so I keep hoping.

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:29 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

I think that Chrisisall said it best in answer to your question about Simon's saving River story -

"either Simon never told the crew EVERY detail of her escape, and his understanding of her condition to protect her for some reason"

My theory is that, in the series pilot, he gave them the "short" version and in the BDM we get what actually happened. I think this way mainly because of what happened in "Ariel."

In that episode Simon knew how to get around the facility and what to expect from the "feds" security. It seems to me that he could have learned some of those moves from an underground movement, a band of freedom fighters, Browncoats even. I also get the feeling that Simon wanted to be involved in her rescue to make sure everything went as smoothly as possible.

I really don't think he could believe his "little" sister could be capable of being a lethal weapon. I keep thinking about his "she just wants to be a kid" line. Yes the doctor did say all the subjects were programmed with combat training, but throughout the series River never exhibited any of her combat skills until War Stories and, even
then, Simon could not believe his sister could shoot like that.

He may not have been a smooth criminal but love can be a motivating factor, as witnessed in the "My Turn" scene when we get our second glimpse of the Rivernator.

Just a thoughtisall:-)

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, February 6, 2009 4:28 AM

TRAVELER

Hello JCavatar:

Welcome to the Firefly Universe.
Always nice to say "Hi" to a new Browncoat.

Please join in a make yourself at home.

Traveler

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:50 AM

LEEDAVIDT

i feel your pain...

but we gotta keep flyin'
and how do we that ?
we have awesome sites like this one that allows us to voice our likes and dislikes.to share upcoming news that may relate or not to the verse...to be what we are...Browncoats

there's virtual firelfy that continues the story
where joss may have gone...

and you have numerous websites and blogs
that try to keep the signal alive and well
till we "RISE AGAIN" ! sites like....mine !

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

Simon: Light it.
River: Time to go.
[A blast of wind signals the arrival of Serenity. Jayne cocks a shotgun from the cargo hold while Mal and Zoe approach on foot.]
Mal: Well, look at this! Appears we got here just in the nick of time. What does that make us?
Zoe: Big damn heroes, sir.
Mal: Ain't we just? [Moves to front of crowd, covers them with shotgun.] Sorry to interrupt, folks, but y'all got something that belongs to us, and we'd like it back.
Patron: This is a holy cleansing. You cannot think to thwart God's will.
Mal: Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun? I'm not saying you weren't easy to find. [but] It was kinda out of our way, and he didn't want to come in the first place. Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really, it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting.
[Mal turns to Simon.]
Mal: Gotta say, Doctor — your talent for alienatin' folks is near miraculous.
Simon: Yes, I'm very proud.
[Mal addresses the crowd again.]
Mal: Cut her down!
Patron: The girl is a witch.
Mal: Yeah, but she's our witch. [cocks gun] So cut her the hell down.

http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 6:33 AM

DREAMTROVE

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So if Dollhouse is a huge hit?
If Nathan Fillion is a huge hit in 'Castle'?
If Summer Glau becomes a big star from 'T:SCC'...
if any of those things were to happen, then it could very well make Universal decide that a sequel to 'Serenity' might be a good idea...

I think these things make it less likely. Everyone will have careers. It's groups like the star trek crew that get back together. No one had careers, and so it was easy to call them back in, they weren't doing anything. So you got what, six movies?

Nathan and Summer are going to have careers, and that's going to make it logistically difficult, which is an issue. I get the feeling of a lukewarm reception from the graphic novel crowd. I don't know at this point.

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:01 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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So if Dollhouse is a huge hit?
If Nathan Fillion is a huge hit in 'Castle'?
If Summer Glau becomes a big star from 'T:SCC'...
if any of those things were to happen, then it could very well make Universal decide that a sequel to 'Serenity' might be a good idea...

I think these things make it less likely. Everyone will have careers. It's groups like the star trek crew that get back together. No one had careers, and so it was easy to call them back in, they weren't doing anything. So you got what, six movies?

Nathan and Summer are going to have careers, and that's going to make it logistically difficult, which is an issue. I get the feeling of a lukewarm reception from the graphic novel crowd. I don't know at this point.

you're right that the Star Trek crew returns because they have nothing better to do...
but you are under-estimating the love Nathan and Summer have for Joss and the whole Firefly/Serenity universe... they WANT to do more films in this 'verse. THEY want to work together...
it isn't just about money.
It isn't always just about money.

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Sunday, February 8, 2009 5:49 PM

JCAVATAR

Would Hope that the actors involved would be up for a return, watching the bonus footage on the Serenity disc shows them all seemingly in love with firefly.

I think there current success would be BETTER for a so called return of firefly, As thier faces will have more household recognision, thus creating a broad stir when they re-grouped for a return of the show.

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