Dollhouse Premieres Tonight. Join Us on Shiny Universe. by Haken

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Dollhouse Premieres Tonight. Join Us on Shiny Universe.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 11:59 AM

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Dollhouse premieres tonight!

Before, during, and after, join fellow fans at Planet Dollhouse on Shiny Universe.

Planet Dollhouse is at:
http://www.shinyuniverse.net/planet.aspx?pid=24

You can also review tonight's episode at:
http://www.shinyuniverse.net/episode.aspx?eid=61

There's also a chat if anyone is interested:
http://www.shinyuniverse.net/shinychat.aspx

Though, due to the time difference, I'll probably not be there till late at night.

For those of you who will miss the premiere, I heard that it'll be available on Hulu tomorrow.

And, of course, Dollhouse will definitely be available via BT.

Let's all make the ratings soar so that Dollhouse becomes a success!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:02 PM

CHRISISALL

I'm right there with ya, brother.

The plaything Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:10 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Also let me add this. Even if you might not like it because it's not Firefly, watch it anyway. Having Dollhouse succeed gives Joss more pull in Hollywood to do more, which means that with enough pull, he can make another Firefly movie.

Just look at J.J. Abrams as an example as to what he is able to accomplish with a successful run on TV.

Give Joss the power to do the same.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:19 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Also let me add this. Even if you might not like it because it's not Firefly, watch it anyway. Having Dollhouse succeed gives Joss more pull in Hollywood to do more, which means that with enough pull, he can make another Firefly movie.

Just look at J.J. Abrams as an example as to what he is able to accomplish with a successful run on TV.

Give Joss the power to do the same.

It's up against weak compitistion.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:27 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:

Just look at J.J. Abrams as an example as to what he is able to accomplish with a successful run on TV.

Give Joss the power to do the same.

Abso-ruttin'-lutely!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:42 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's up against weak compitistion.

Actually, it's not. It's up against Battlestar Galactica, which is probably the biggest thing out there right now in terms of SciFi.

Although it's cable, it'll still definitely have an impact because most will DVR Dollhouse and watch BSG when it airs.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:49 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
most will DVR Dollhouse and watch BSG when it airs.

Not me!

Look, I'll save everyone the pain of watching- EVERYONE ON THE GALACTICA DIES WHEN IT BLOWS UP.
The end.

Now watch Dollhouse.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 12:56 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's up against weak compitistion.

Actually, it's not. It's up against Battlestar Galactica, which is probably the biggest thing out there right now in terms of SciFi.

Although it's cable, it'll still definitely have an impact because most will DVR Dollhouse and watch BSG when it airs.

The 18-49 demo will be the key for FOX, they're more interested in WHO wins that timeslot.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 1:18 PM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's up against weak compitistion.

It's up against going out Friday night. I'll cross my fingers.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 1:54 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
It's up against going out Friday night. I'll cross my fingers.

Yeah, historically that's been the problem with having shows on Fridays. Though, with the economy the way it is, perhaps more are staying home for cheap thrills.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 1:55 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's up against weak compitistion.

Actually, it's not. It's up against Battlestar Galactica, which is probably the biggest thing out there right now in terms of SciFi.

Although it's cable, it'll still definitely have an impact because most will DVR Dollhouse and watch BSG when it airs.

Dollhouse in on one hour before BSG, so you can watch both. At least that's the way it is here, not sure about Hawaii.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM

CHRISISALL

Almost there!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:14 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

Man, Eliza has been working out!

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Friday, February 13, 2009 4:56 PM

MRSUNIVERSE832

I don't know, but in makes for a nice Geek Trifecta......T:SCC and Dollhouse on F*x, and Numb3rs on CBS.
Sci-fi action, then hot geeky guys....me likey.

Mrs. Universe

MR. UNIVERSE---->

<----MRS. UNIVERSE

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:24 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Peulsar5:
Man, Eliza has been working out!

Yes, and I liked the ep a lot!!! The most serious work from Joss since Serenity!
No?

The impressed Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

grrr arrgh!!!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:40 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
grrr arrgh!!!

May I take from that that you liked it as much as I did, AU?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 5:54 PM

ZEEK

I worry that there's not gonna be enough funny. Everyone's so dead serious. I like the funny. I like when Joss makes me sad and then laugh a second later. I'm predicting just a lot of sad so far.

I'm curious about Echo. I don't see where her character can develop. We'll see...I guess Joss will find a way. This episode felt like a procedural show. Which doesn't appeal to me. I'm hoping it's just cause it's hard to see the big picture from here. At least I didn't hate it. I'm just not in love yet.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:02 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Just finished watching and it left me a bit blah.
Loved Eliza and the black actor who is her "partner"
but the actress who plays the director of the Dollhouse did not impress.

I smell Fox's hand in this. The ep felt somewhat disjointed. The story never flowed and there was absolutely no humor (a Joss staple). It felt formulaic and by the numbers at times, almost like it was slapped together. I could sense that Fox wanted all the characters introduced and explained. The rules of the Dollhouse was not entirely drawn out. We know as much as we did before the show started. It could be he's going in a different direction with this one but based on this pilot....well, I give it a C.

Then too, I heard that Fox had Joss do several re-writes. Not a good sign, but I am hopeful that Joss and Tim's genius will come shining through. Of course Joss's stories get more interesting with time. The next few weeks will tell. I agree Chrisisall, this is his most serious work, period.
Here's hoping that it does not get preempted and moved around, as is Fox's M.O.

I will watch it a second time on Hulu, maybe on the second look I'll get something more from it.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:03 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I worry that there's not gonna be enough funny.

The funny was there, just very subtle. I caught a few good lines here & there, maybe it takes time to adjust to the feel of the show.

On another note, The Sarah Connor Chronicles left me totally cold, as on my other attempts to watch it (sorry Dreamtrove).

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:07 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:

I will watch it a second time on Hulu, maybe on the second look I'll get something more from it.

Please tell us how it fares for you on a second look. I'd be interested.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 6:58 PM

BYTEMITE

Well, I thought it was intriguing. This episode was a fairly good crime drama, but then you add the unexpected memories turning up... And the additional layer of those memories having originally belonged to someone else, but Echo experiencing them like they're her own... I think both this story, and the manner of telling it, could only be told with Dollhouse.

It's not too funny right now, but remember, we haven't really seen Echo interact with any of the other Actives. I get the impression that they're very childlike in their wiped state, and that's where we might get the potential for some lighthearted humour.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 7:07 PM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
The funny was there, just very subtle. I caught a few good lines here & there, maybe it takes time to

The thing everyone should be aware of about tonight's episode is that it was re-tooled at FOX's request. If the episode seems serious and disjointed, it's because of that reason.

In interviews, etc., Joss and cast have made it known that the 1st episode isn't what they originally had in mind. Episodes 2 thru 5 are standalone episodes and from episodes 7 on, we'll start seeing a bigger story arc.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 7:28 PM

MONKSDAD

I will give it another chance but from this first episode I don't like what I see... I really don't like 'Dushku at all. She is not very good. This part would of been perfect for Miss Glau.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 7:28 PM

MONKSDAD

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Friday, February 13, 2009 7:43 PM

BYTEMITE

There must be some reason that Joss wrote this part especially for her. We've only hit the premise of the story and the character, not the depth. I'm willing to wait.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 8:13 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by monksdad:
I will give it another chance but from this first episode I don't like what I see... I really don't like 'Dushku at all. She is not very good. This part would of been perfect for Miss Glau.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

Was buffy's first ep erfect? Was The train Job?
I'll give it MANY shots.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 13, 2009 8:41 PM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
[Was buffy's first ep erfect? Was The train Job?
I'll give it MANY shots.

The laughing Chrisisall

at least give it through the first 6 episodes, because Joss has said that he kicked major ass w/his 6th episode!

But personally I enjoyed this first one a lot...

I thought it was exciting with some nice suggestions about underlying themes of identity, consequences, and even some interesting La Femme Nikita over-tones....

of course I have to confess that I was thrilled just to see the 'grrr argh' at the end! LOL

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=15816

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Friday, February 13, 2009 8:56 PM

MUGGI

Well, I'll certainly give it a chance given the pedigree, and Eliza Dushku is no3 on my all-time hot chick list (behind Jennifer Connelly and Mrs. Reynolds) but...the first episode did not impress me.

The premise is fine, but...a hostage negotiator? It just didn't strike me as the occupation someone would be calling the Dollhouse to employ. Hooker? Assassin? Spy? All reasonable. Hostage negotiator...not so much.

There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's "this makes absolutely no sense."

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:09 PM

RCAT

I would have liked to have seen the first ep. as it had been intended...Honestly, it felt like like the Train Job as a first ep. of Firelfly...interesting, kinda' good, a lot of potential but not sure where it's leading.

It had the pacing and suspence of a CSI ep. That's great, I suppose for fox execs, but some of the deep concepts that would have hooked me were glossed over...got the impression that it will be a show like "medium" where the protag. is emotionally envolved in each case but w/ a sinister twist (which I know was not the original concept).

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:17 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Wow. Joss and Fox got Star Wars Clone Wars to disappear. No competition on premier night, at least.

Bogus bike chase sans helmet in disco was lame, not exciting. I smell a Fox. White teddy "dress" was okay, I guess.

But it picked up the pace in the 2nd half.

That Doc Saunders is creepy. In a cute slutty way.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:21 PM

SNEAKER98

Well, the gal and I watched Dollhouse tonight, and I've gotta say we both gave it a resounding "meh..."

We'll keep watching it, but I don't really expect this show to do well. Friday night death slot, plus Fox tinkering usually means bad news.

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds

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Friday, February 13, 2009 9:23 PM

BYTEMITE

Yeah, my memory kind of glossed over the bike race. Bit boring. But the drama was good.

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Friday, February 13, 2009 10:48 PM

ROCKETJOCK

My wife and I both greatly enjoyed tonight's pilot. The cold opening with (Not-yet) Echo's recruitment interview was vaguely reminiscent of the River Tam Sessions, the motorcycle chase scene was, if somewhat random, at least an interesting method of setting the premise up.

While I love Joss' hand at lighthearted banter, I can't say I honestly missed it tonight. The story was solid enough, the characterization was strong. (Her ex-cop handler looks likely to develop a moral disconnect with his employers sooner or later. . .)

I'm just hoping it does well enough in the overnights to survive long enough for a proper box set. . .

"You can't kill a ghost." -- Echo

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:40 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Schwarzenegger's "Total Recall" meets Bridget Fonda's "Point Of No Return". I like the girl, nothing else. The guy who operates the brain machine is an annoying putz, and the rest of it seems very contrived. And the organization's goal is to make money by helping rich people in trouble? With of course the obligitory FBI agent on their trail too. How un-original and boring. The dialogue was a bit lame & un-funny. Didn't seem like a Joss Whedon show, sorry. I like Sarah Connor Chronicles, so I'll give the Dollhouse another look next week.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

There is one thing which left me... , what's the word, disappointed ? I mean, the whole tortured little girl routine. Been there, done that, like how many times?

I also find it curious that Echo's handler is an ex-cop, and there's a law man trying to bring down the Dollhouse. Might be insignificant, might not. *edit* I guess it was either that, or some two bit reporter for a tabloid magazine/ newspaper expose', trying to run down a story, ala NightStalker, The Hulk, etc....

There's lots of potential here, as we'd expect, but the question remains. Will it be given the chance to show us what its got before the sadistic souls in suits @ FOX do their dirty work ?

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:57 AM

OPPYH

My first thought was "this is not Whedon".
It is exactly as other early reviewers have stated.
A very normal show. It's like a mix between The Matrix and tv shows like Medium, and CSI thrown in to a blender with a pinch of Angel for good measure.

That was my first thought.
My second thought was "this is brilliant tv". Amy Acker's clearly troubled character is just waiting to spring into full drama mode in later episodes for that true Whedony fix that we crave so much.
And Eliza as Echo...Don't even get me started. Vulnerable, tough, cool, and sad. There is something going on in this show folks. Let's hope it's around long enough for us to fully appreciate what it is.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:27 AM

PACHELBEL

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Schwarzenegger's "Total Recall" meets Bridget Fonda's "Point Of No Return". I like the girl, nothing else. The guy who operates the brain machine is an annoying putz, and the rest of it seems very contrived. And the organization's goal is to make money by helping rich people in trouble? With of course the obligitory FBI agent on their trail too. How un-original and boring. The dialogue was a bit lame & un-funny. Didn't seem like a Joss Whedon show, sorry. I like Sarah Connor Chronicles, so I'll give the Dollhouse another look next week.

Annoying putz. Yes, good word for him! I wasn't very thrilled. Is this the pilot Joss rewrote because he didn't like the first one? Wow, that one must've been bad. Also, were we supposed to understand the end at all? I sure didn't. At least there was a Firefly phrase: "What are we playing at?"

Did the Dollhouse look very much like the LA office's of Wolfram and Hart?

I watched most of Terminator, and I had no idea what was going. I haven't seen it for awhile, so that would explain things, but the episode seemed a bad anyway.

Let's face it, Friday night on Fox. One of these shows isn't going to survive.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by OPPYH:

And Eliza as Echo...Don't even get me started. Vulnerable, tough, cool, and sad. There is something going on in this show folks. Let's hope it's around long enough for us to fully appreciate what it is.

And there's the rub. Keepin' a Joss ( or Tim Minear ) show on long enough for it to take hold. At least we got the gratuitous Eliza dancing in barely nothing at all scene in, so that's a good start.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:14 AM

FIREFLYPASSENGER

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
grrr arrgh!!!

I was happy all week anticipating the premiere. I enjoyed the show, I think it definitely beautiful, powerful and full of potential. I thought Eliza showed great range. I am sure it will only get better.

That said my favorite moment was the Mutant Enemy guy say "Grrr Arrgh!"

That made it real, Joss is back.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:48 AM

ZZETTA13

Good morning browncoats!

First of all let me say that I did not watch this first episode of “Dollhouse”. Oh…I was home and very able to see the show but I didn’t. For those browncoats that did tune in and see it, I will say that you ARE better than me.

I came to FFF.net this morning on the express reason of seeing what was being said post DH. Seems there’s a little mixture of opinions going on. First of all if it didn’t seem like “Joss” then likely it’s because it wasn’t.

F*>< will not let this man do anything he wants the way he wants to do it, why should they? It’s about power and they show constantly it isn’t about a property being good, bad or entertaining it’s about the power and domination. These people are “parliament and alliance“. Has everyone here forgotten about DRIVE? I watched TM’s show fall right off the screen of my television on this network and although I love Summer I don’t watch TSCC either.

Yes, giving DH and Joss support is the right thing to do and I’m happy that so many fans are doing that. Sorry, I ain’t one of them! I don’t feel that making DH a hit will result in any new BDM for us or will open up a can of a fresh FF series. It may help DH and it may help F*>< but I ain’t about helping F*><. What I am about is trying to get Universal and NBC to put something together for us FF fans. Joss wasn’t finished with the stories of the verse ( he said so himself) and I wasn’t finished watching them. Can’t big TV ENTERTAINMENT see that?!!

Sorry but I’m damn hardheaded and I know it. Ask my wife she’ll tell ya I’ve got a head like brix up there…..lol. I’ll stay the course as long as I feel there’s hope for Serenity. Otherwise I’ll get on that transport and they can fly me into the nearest sun. Am I wrong for loving the characters of that short run tv show? Maybe, but I’ll just be wrong! I’ve put up my feelings about F*>< here before. Got a lot of good insight from fellow browncoats too. A person feels the way they feel and can’t help it I do understand. But I ain’t ready to play nice!! Not when the folks of big networks do what they do, they may change but they remain the same, understand my meaning? I tell my own boss when I feel he’s wrong and he knows it. I still do my job but I ain’t about being a “Yes” man. I’ll still follow Joss as long as he doesn’t take off his browncoat. I hope to GOD he doesn’t cave in to the “MAN”. I still see him as an independence brother fighting next to me in the trenches…….that’s it for now.

Z, Serenity Valley, if I get bad apples I’ll just toss them back.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:05 AM

DARKJESTER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by monksdad:
I will give it another chance but from this first episode I don't like what I see... I really don't like 'Dushku at all. She is not very good. This part would of been perfect for Miss Glau.

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."
Was buffy's first ep erfect? Was The train Job?
I'll give it MANY shots.

The laughing Chrisisall

I agree Chris - how many Buffy fans were out-and-out disappointed with Firefly when it aired? I wasn't hooked until OMR myself. I plan on giving Dollhouse many shots as well.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

http://www.fireflytalk.com - Big Damn Podcast

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:55 AM

HOTHERSALE

I rather liked it. The beginning was weak and reeked of Fox, but the writing during the mission segment was very tight, and the it ended strongly, I thought. Looking forward to next week's ep!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:57 AM

KATESFRIEND

I really liked Dollhouse too. It brought out a lot of questions about the fundamentals of personality, and hopefully we'll get answers too. The show hit me the way Dr. Horrible did - at first I wasn't sure what to think. Then by suspending my expectations I was able to see the creative art behind the show and wonder at what the different layers of meaning will reveal. I'm in for the ride!

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:32 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by DarkJester:
how many Buffy fans were out-and-out disappointed with Firefly when it aired?

I see SO MUCH potential to expand & amaze, it all depends on the next few ratings.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:37 AM

RIVERDANCER

I confess myself not entertained. I'll keep watching, of course; the concept has a lot of intriguing aspects. I'll give it at least a month to blossom into the kind of entertainment Joss does so well before I give up.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:37 AM

SINGATE

I think it has been established that Joss has problems with abuse of power, human experimentation, and abused women. It's no wonder these themes were prominent in the first episode. I concur with the sentiment that it did not feel like a Joss show but I get the feeling this was due to whatever rewrites he was asked to do. Almost felt like a hybrid of his storytelling mixed with elements that would appeal to a broader audience.

When I first heard the premise of the show I had my doubts about Eliza's ability to play a wide range of characters. She did a pretty good job. I think it was something of an inside joke when her client made the comment about how people feel when they are in the presence of a beautiful woman.

I enjoyed seeing Amy Acker. I would have liked it better if she wasn't listed as a guest star. How is it the Dollhouse has mastered the ability to alter the mind but they are not able to repair her facial scars? Unless of course she refused treatment as some kind of penance.

The most intriguing part of the show for me was the Alpha file. I'm guessing this was a former active or handler who is seeking retribution. If he was an active I wonder if all of them are referred to by military designations. Alpha, Baker, Charlie etc.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:58 AM

CHRISISALL

Yo Singate, this was good...why not put in Shiny Universe?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:00 PM

TWILIGHTSEEKER

I liked the first episode althought I also found it disjointed and confusing periodically. It tried to do too much all at once. I too wish I could have seen the beginning as Joss intended it not as some network execs decreed, but the core is that I also saw a lot of potential. Some really great shows started slow Hill Street Blues, Fringe, West Wing, and a ton of others that got cancelled just as they were finding their stride. I am willing to stick with it and give it that chance. Please do the same.

gentle journey all,
twilight seeker

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Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:33 PM

1EYEDCAT

I found the Dollhouse premiere a little better than average in quality, especially compared to most science fiction series over the years. It certainly offered some intriguing concepts and bits of dialogue, but also some action series cliches. If I weren't coming to it as a Firefly fan and Whedon supported, I think my chances of tuning in again would be about 50-50. As it is, I'll stick with it and see if it improves.
Watching the premiere, I was reminded of The Train Job and Serenity, the pilot. Like The Train Job, Dollhouse drops you into the middle of things before establishing the setting or the characters very well. Like Serenity, it had a short backstory segment tacked onto the beginning. It looks like the hand of network executives at work again, despite Whedon's protestations to the contrary.

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