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Please let this be cannon.

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In my mind, until a film or series continuation says different, the crew put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial. Along the way, they got wind of an experimental medical process to record brain info to time of death and clone replacements for damaged body parts. They sneak Wash in in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient (ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant). Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues. The Firefly 'verse returns to normal.

THAT'S the only story I want to see.

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Crystal specifically says River did not save Wash or Book, even though she knew it was going to happen, because her visions of the future are fixed. Unfortunate, but it makes her even more of a tragic Cassandra figure.

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In my mind, until a film or series continuation says different, the crew put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial. Along the way, they got wind of an experimental medical process to record brain info to time of death and clone replacements for damaged body parts. They sneak Wash in in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient (ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant). Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues. The Firefly 'verse returns to normal.

THAT'S the only story I want to see.

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Oh, please, that's just too bizarre and complicated. I got a weirder way to bring Wash back.
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But if she could get a message inside her own head, into the past just before Wash died, she could prevent the death.
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As a true scifi fan, I insist on scientific precision in explaining non-existent phenomenon.

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I don't think that ending means what you think it means, if you know what I mean.

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That mightily pregnant woman might not be Zoe. And Jetwash isn't a funny enough name. The ship should have been called the Washout. Wash would have preferred the total disrespect of it.

You liked that comic? It needed far less Leland, Tagg, & Trey, the three Stooges, and more crew of Serenity. The crew would bring some much needed conflict to the Wash memorial ceremony. It was just too dignified to be entertaining. I had a very specific idea of what kind of conflict:

Wash still has a future baby girl Wash, but the mother is not Zoe. It's some other black woman that Wash was living with, before Zoe. Call her the other-mother. (You notice that other-mother was never greeted by name by the 3 Stooges? If she was Zoe, they would have said 'Hello, Zoe!' ) When Zoe finds out, thanks to telepathic River (see comic below), that other-mother is carrying Wash's baby, then Jayne says something insensitive and Zoe punches him in the mouth. Several times.

For the mechanics of how other-mother got pregnant years after Wash left her: Wash leaves a deposit at the cryogenic sperm bank. Wash then gets into an argument about having children and abandons other-mother. (They're not married. He's not ready because he's immature. You are a dog, Wash!) Now that Wash is never coming back, other-mother goes forward with the pregnancy. She always hoped Wash would return and never knew about Wash marrying Zoe. The 3 Stooges told other-mother that Wash died and that is why she was at the christening of the Washout.

That's the comic everybody would have wanted to read. Even people who never heard of Firefly.

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http://ryuuenx.deviantart.com/art/four-weeks-51045376



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Joss approved every page personally, so, yes, the last page is canon (as far as canon goes for the Firefly-verse, anyway).

Interestingly, I believe "Floatout" is the ONLY post-SERENITY (BDM) canon that exist.

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Umm . . . Right.

Let me know when Elvis gets here . . .

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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One can never have too much cannon. Or grenades.

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Wash is gone and he's not coming back (at least not in any form that would really be "our" Wash. We've all seen enough of Whedon's work to know that, haven't we?).

Don't forget that Joss and Alan have discussed the fact that Wash was slated to die in the series had it continued.

RIP, Hoban. I'm sorry for all these folk who keep messing with your grave trying to pull a monkey's paw out of their butts... :P

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We wouldn't be arguing about whether Joss was a brilliant storyteller for killing Wash if Joss Whedon had only cut off Wash's arm. THAT would have been brilliant.

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In quantum mechanics, they're discovering that not only does the Uncertainty Principle come into play, where just measuring one state of reality can alter that state of reality, but even that measurements in the future retroactively altered measurements in the past to what they were recorded as.

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We wouldn't be arguing about whether Joss was a brilliant storyteller for killing Wash if Joss Whedon had only cut off Wash's arm. THAT would have been brilliant.

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I didn't realize that we were arguing about Whedon's brilliance.

If he had chose to cut off Wash's arm, those of us who appreciate what SERENITY is about, thematically, would be arguing that Whedon was a sell-out who took the easy way out--much as Lucas did in RETURN OF THE JEDI.

As a thirteen-year-old, I was excited that all my childhood heroes survived to the end of RotJ, but it wasn't long before I realized that the story might well have been much stronger with the noble (and foreshadowed) demise of the Millenium Falcon and Lando Calrissian.

Not that I WANT my heroes to die, but without risk, their sacrifice and struggle has little meaning.

Despite the best efforts of some of his staff, Lucas veto'd the idea of killing Lando, noting that Star Wars is basically a fairy tale and the heroes should all come home.

Whedon, though, isn't writing a fairy tale. He's writing a story for grown-ups, where grown-up things happen.

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General Realitivity doesn't leave any room for undoing past errors. But that never stopped story writers from creating Time Travel romances.

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RIP, Hoban. I'm sorry for all these folk who keep messing with your grave trying to pull a monkey's paw out of their butts... :P

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We wouldn't be arguing about whether Joss was a brilliant storyteller for killing Wash if Joss Whedon had only cut off Wash's arm. THAT would have been brilliant.

More shocking than killing Wash is Wash losing his right arm. He is bleeding to death. The crew is in a panic. Wash can't be moved far without killing him. They can't bring as much ammo because Zoe and Mal are carrying Wash. Mal is forced to split the group. In the movie, the group splits for a ridiculous reason: “This is a good hold point.” Bull! If not for Wash, the smart move would be for Mal and crew to retreat up the elevator and then shutdown the elevator.

Instead of everyone being trapped by a broken elevator ( Notice how the elevator magically fixed itself when Mal returned? Very fortunate. ) the crew is realistically trapped by Wash. The story could have the tension of staying to defend Wash or fleeing to safety in the elevator. Who is staying to fight beside Zoe? Who will abandon Wash and Zoe? I can see Jayne oscillating between saving himself and staying with Wash and Zoe. Simon stays for Wash. River stays for Simon. Kaylee and Inara dither.

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When did the elevator break? I didn't see any of them trying to get on the elevator. I think they had a few too many wounded to squeeze everybody in for one trip. Anyone left behind would be dead. It would really only buy them a few minutes before the reavers climbed up after them anyway.

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When did the elevator break? I didn't see any of them trying to get on the elevator. I think they had a few too many wounded to squeeze everybody in for one trip. Anyone left behind would be dead. It would really only buy them a few minutes before the reavers climbed up after them anyway.

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The most likely reason the lift wouldn't work is that Mal blocked the doors open on his end so that the Reavers could not get to him.

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I was more bothered by the bridge magically extending when the fight with the Operative was over... You two boys couldn't have found the bridge control panels from the OTHER SIDE of the gap? Honestly. I doubt Mr. Universe was so particularly acrobatic with his space-monkey ancestry that he'd just hand-over-hand on CHAINS hanging above rotating fans to reach a powerful communication array.

On the other hand, imagine Mal grumbling about the hard to find control panel as he's crossing the bridge after all the excitement is over. :)

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Wash is dead folks...Joss's STORY, Joss's prerogative...Life is ugly at times and so are Joss's STORIES, which is why I find them so refreshingly appealing. Note my emphasis on STORY and STORIES and how I cleverly tied that in with them belonging to Joss. I'm greatful he shares them with us and respect HIS (because they are his ideas) right to choose what direction they go in.

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