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Originally posted by Beatle:
I've heard that a live action movie of Neon Genesis is in the works.

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Originally posted by Beatle:
I've heard they are also thinking of changing the nationality of the pilots.
Here's where I read some of the info..
http://eva.trivialbeing.net/

I would love to see a live action movie but I agree that it would be tough to fit all that information in two hours. I'd hate to be really disappointed.

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I'll be on later tonight

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Originally posted by standing8:
neon genesis evangelion is the greatest anime of all time. nothing in the anime genre comes close to it. sci fi fans should make it a priority to watch the series and the two movies.

but fans of firefly should check out bebop.

I am a die hard sci-fi fan. And I didn't like Evangelion at all.
Greatest of all time? Surely you're kidding. It was okay. It sort of misrepresented itself on a number of levels. I did like some plot points. But the whole thing starts to slowly fall apart after a while. Especially that Adam and Eve ending that one of the movies had. I'll give you this, it starts out great. The first seven episodes are great. As an overal series, nope. The movies they've made? Nope again. Not great. How much anime have you seen? We're talking about a great bunch of shows in the late seventies and early 80's. And a string of remarkable series in the 90's. We're talking about a medium that has thousands upon thousands of entries. And Evangelion is suppose to be the greatest? That nothing comes close? You're entitled to your own views. I just can't support them. Because it's not true. My disdain doesn't come from the show introducing a realistic hero. I liked that. I just think the show overall isn't great. It's original take of mechas but it's just not the greatest anime of all time. There's a flaw in the storytelling. Sure there are some interesting plots. Some we've seen before. Some we haven't.

How is Evangelion better than even Cowboy Bebop, which you have mentioned. The storytelling in that series is head and shoulders above Evangelion. How is it better than Rurouni Kenshin or Escaflowne for that matter? I'd say it's in the top twenty. But it's not the greatest. How is it even better than Chobits, which i also don't like. How can it leap frog over all the Gundams? Which at one time had a point! Greatest? To say that nothing in the anime genre comes close to Evangelion shows that perhaps you need to see more anime, friend. Which is not a slight. There were people proclaiming that DBZ was the greatest anime ever, when it was just something new to them. Heck, I liked Saikano better than Eva. And that show hurts my head. Let's just call it the best show you've seen in the anime genre. Because it's not the greatest of all time. That has to go to a series that has great art and tells an incredible story. Eva has great art, and tells an interesting story. But it does not keep you interested. It can rather piss you off. Even if the cold characters don't matter to you.

Besides Evangelion is not a better show than Trigun. And Trigun isn't the greastest anime of all time. So where does that put Evangelion. Goodness, why'd you have to bring up this show! I tend to babble on about how it's not the greatest show whenever somone says it is. That argument used to happen alot years ago. Not so much these days. These days you ask someone what's the greatest anime of all time they'll give you a bunch of different anime. There are alot of anime shows that have better storytelling going on then EVA does.

Okay, back to what I originally wanted to say. Cowboy Bebop would be a good show to recommend to any Firefly fan. Though they are two very different shows. There a few things that are similarities . [How Jet acts is similar to the way Mal does. But they aren't the same. Their two men harden but who seem to keep letting vagabonds onto their ships.] Also their planetary systems are similar. That's about it. Goodness, did I just write a novel, or what.

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Originally posted by greateacher:
Nah I wasn't comparing it to Gundam or Chobits. I did say I didn't like Chobits. Perhaps you missed it.I very much dislike anything Clamp puts out. Though I have to say that there have been at least two Gundams that I have enjoyed more than this. I am saying that those names come up. Those are shows that people rank before EVA. For whatever reason. Heck, I enjoyed Stand Alone Complex more than EVA. And as we all know that pretty much stinks on ice. Many people do not like EVA because of the religious aspects that it takes. Which I think is interesting. Others like me just can't get into the story, because it's not a very good one. As I said, I liked some of the plots. The religous aspects didn't really bother me because it's nothing more than a tv show. I know some people theme the series as this complex work of psedu modern art. Which is fine. I myself liked the ideals that were instilled in some of the early Gundam series. Y'know things that actually can happen. That's the best sci-fi right there, chief. It's more believeble that a kid can pilot a killing machine in a war he wants no part in than a story that is basically about the destruction and recreation of the world. Because that's all Eva is. Rework it all you want, that's the story. There are some interesting plot points to it. Some very interesting things do happen. But at the end of the day anyone who watches has to look beyond a collection of ideas and see the overall picture. One has to ask one's self if the story itself is impressive. If it has moved you and made you care about the verse it takes place in. Can something be great if you don't care about what happens to anyone? Eva left me stone cold. I wished they all died. Well, except Misado, and the penguin. For something to be great, as in the greatest of all time it has to speak to you on a deeper level than depression. I am not saying everything has to be smiles. The greatest anything has to achieve greatness. It has to involve it's audience on an emotional level. It has to make it's audience think. It has to make them care. And it most evolve. It is true that Eva makes you think. But it never makes you care. It never draws you in that way. Instead you antiscipate what happens next in the plot. Not whether the characters live or die. Because it doesn't matter. Even if that's the purpose of the plot. You never care about the characters anyway.

Dude, how dare you dismiss the storytelling! At the end of the day that's what everything is about. The story! I am well aware of the years people have put into thinking what everything means. But a psychological question that does not relent does not match up with character developement. People have had those same discussions for silly animations such as .hack. Almost every good animation can be discussed on deep levels. That just falls into the realm of a plot point. Which are interesting. Some people, most just let it go. Others slide into an X-Files like , truth is out there scully existence. It's interesting. But still the story does not speak to every level of human emotion. Eva doesn't, and never has. It's a nice take on giant robots. It goes some places no one has gone. Well at least in the same series. It's interesting. But at the end of the day it's about story.

Of course you get to know the characters over the course of the series. But there's too many conspiracies, and bells and whistles. Perhaps too many characters. I know for sure there's too many characters that don't matter. Eva takes an interesting story and drives it into the ground. Where's the character developement? Some have it, many just seem like they were thrown against the wall to see if they'd stuck.

Again how is this better than Trigun? A show that makes you feel for the characters and their plight. A show that makes you care about what's going on. About who lives and dies. How is Eva better than that? Answer it isn't. Back when the internet boomed there were two shows people just had to see. I just mentioned one of them. You praise the other. At the end of the day it's all about the story, chief.

I liked the Shinji character . Some of the Nerv stuff was interesting. I liked the way the series had a vintage feel. Vintage sci-fi not anime. But at the end of the day, it's about storytelling. At the end of the day it's a good series. It's just not the greatest of all time. :) There's a point in which the series basically tells you what's going to happen. When it does it's grim, it's cold. And it does not matter. It's a good series. Prehaps even great. Yet, I don't think it is factual to call it the greatest. People dissect, and analyze more manga than just EVA. As you can see people like to yap about nothing in general for the most part. [This might throw you for a loop. But I like EVA's manga. And it's only slightly different. But we don't call that the greatest manga of all time. Now do we.] It's also not that complext of a story. If you know different versions of the creation story then you know the story. I think religious people who have seen it were pissed because in some ways it does take some of those themes and shake them up. Me, I don't really care. It's just a story people. A good one. Just not the greatest of all time :P


I love lively discussions [there's no need to get anyone's feathers in a bunch] but Toonami's on :P
And the girlfriend's giving me the evil eye. Which I fear more than the third impact. She's saying something at this very moment. But I've tuned her out. BTW, everyone knows the greatest animation of all time is...... Pokemon Advanced Generation!!!! [just kidding... maybe.] Actually my vote for greatest animation series of all time doesn't even go to a Japanese series.

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
See, this is why I try to never identify anything as the "best." I only say "my favourite." That way I never have to justify anything, 'cause it's purely a matter of personal taste.

Personally and at the moment, my fave animé is InuYasha. I love Eva too though, don't get me wrong. Never seen Cowboy Bebop since I'm in gorram Canada (I only know it by magazine article/summaries and AMVs). I do like Eva though, in fact I have a couple of (non-Eva) fanfic characters (auditioning to be "real" characters, in a publishable story) who're based on Asuka & Rei (with a little bit of Rika & Jeri from Digimon S3 thrown in).

Also, for AMV fans, I'd recommend looking for "Gendo Ikari: Son of God" (Gendo wearing a ridiculous, gaudy crown) or "Eva Science Theatre 3000" (Shinji as Joel) on the org. They're freakin' hilarious.

And I'm on Kazaa again, from now until about 5 or 6, no doubt being ignored again. C'mon people hit me!

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Should be findable via "Ballad of Bebop" or by my handle, "JediBeast."

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