Imponderables- Jump right in , there's room for everyone!!! by MsA

Zeek I truly love your list of important features. It's so Zeek:)

Riona- sounds nice

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Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:56 PM

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Zeek I truly love your list of important features. It's so Zeek:)

What's on your list, MSA? You just said you love where you live. As a teacher I'm sure you expect your students to be more verbose in their answers

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Friday, January 13, 2012 7:30 AM

OK my list of what I love about here
- my husband is happiest here
-small town where people are very friendly
- safe environment to raise my son
- access to locally grown organic produce and locally raised/butchered beef
- lots of parks and fun recreation areas for us to play in
- a lovely house in a nice neighborhood
- a good school district that shows decent respect for special ed and decent pay
- excellent library

Things I wish it had
- closer to east coast
- loads more greenery
- more humidity
- better variety of restaurants
- a shopping mall

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Friday, January 13, 2012 9:57 AM

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- better variety of restaurants

read: no restaurants with hot waitresses in skimpy outfits.

You have my pity.

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:47 AM

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Things I wish it had
- closer to east coast
- loads more greenery
- more humidity

I'm right there with you on these items. I grew up in Michigan, and there's just no GREEN out here like there is back east. But the mountains make for nice scenery. And to that I'm allergic to sagebrush. But, I really don't mind the difference in the amount of snowfall as compared to Michigan. Not having family close by doesn't help either.

-Steg

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47 PM

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The only thing I'd change about where I live is that I wish we had a couple of one to two day snowfalls a year, so we could sled. We get a good enough snowfall to sled in the city once every couple of years, last year we didn't get one so hopefully this year we will.

Oh and I live in a city that isn't very moral in certain ways, so I wish that were a little toned down. But other than those things its great here, big, lots to do, close to the ocean and the mountains, well close enough, closer than most people are. Green all year, lots of water to play in, geeky activities for me to do.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:19 AM

Yes Zeek...daily I mourn the lack of hot waitresses

Stego- hmm I'm allergic to sagebrush too:)I wonder if it's a thing when you're new here

Riona- I envy you your seafood and lovely rain

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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:18 AM

Zeek is excited. I can't believe the previous owner of my place didn't know it is wired for ethernet. I thought all these wall jacks were phone jacks until I looked closer at them. Then I opened up this panel in the master bedroom and there's a hub in there. So, awesome. Assuming it works that is.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:53 AM

Well Zeek is a lucky man... now go celebrate with scantily clad waitresses.

Ponder- what was the best assignment/lesson you ever did in school?
( yes I'm hoping to get ideas)
The one I remember most was our English teacher had us do a round robin memorization of Canterbury tales.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:31 AM

Programming a game in computer science. :-)

I made an ASCII monopoly game in pascal. It was pretty cool IMO.

Best assignment in English was to read the Hobbit. I read the Lord of the Rings all on my own after that. Also the first Hobbit movie comes out this year IIRC.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:10 PM

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I never liked doing school work. But if I had to pick good things I did it would be memorizing the Preamble (good for kids), building a decomposition column out of plastic bottles and having a goldfish in the water at the bottom, the water that was filtered through the column. I made a killer poster about pandas in fifth grade. Playing a pretends-with-dice about colonization of Jamestown/the Pilgrims, Invent a new law and give a persuasive speech about why the class should vote for it. All of these were in middle school.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:54 AM

WOW inventive teachers

I'm afraid the programming is a bit beyond my reach, but that dice game sounds fun.

Right now my students are doing a comparative literature essay using A Study in Scarlet ( Arthur Conan Doyle) and A Study in Pink ( new BBC series Sherlock)

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Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:56 AM

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I liked a Study in Scarlet.

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Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:21 AM

You really should watch the new Sherlock on PBS

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Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:58 PM

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A lot of people have told me that, but I do a lot better with mysteries when reading them in novels. I don't really enjoy mysteries on TV because I always miss little things, whereas if I read them then I get the same info as everyone else. I have friends who are really enjoying it though.

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Friday, January 20, 2012 8:09 AM

This one has a feature you might like. As Sherlock is examining the room, pop up windows appear showing you all the clues he's getting.

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Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:01 AM

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Right now my students are doing a comparative literature essay using A Study in Scarlet ( Arthur Conan Doyle) and A Study in Pink ( new BBC series Sherlock)

Oooh, fun! I really enjoyed the first run of Sherlock.

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Monday, January 23, 2012 6:54 AM

So far it's going fairly well... they seem to like it. I was trying to come up with some ways to make the comparative literature unit more fun

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Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:50 AM

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Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:37 AM

PONDER>>>>
So do you think that schools should require above average writing skills to graduate or just the bare minimum?

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Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:14 AM

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Well, statistically speaking, requiring "above average" anything to graduate would mean that about half the students could not graduate. While it can be a little appalling to encounter college students who literally don't know what basic punctuation is, I'm not sure what policies would fix the problem, because I remember going through grammar rules several times in elementary, middle, and high school.

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Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:47 PM

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PONDER>>>>
So do you think that schools should require above average writing skills to graduate or just the bare minimum?

Not really. Sadly in this day and age it's not really as big of a deal as it used to be IMO. I have a friend who's a software engineer and a darn good one. She can't spell or punctuate worth a damn though. I really have to sound things out and squint a lot when I read anything she wrote. It really hasn't slowed down her career as far as I can tell.

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Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:36 PM

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I like Lili's point, it wouldn't be above average if everyone has to do it.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 6:07 AM

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Favorite school assignment: one was where we wrote more at the end of The Cask of Amontillado. I did it from the viewpoint of Fortunato.

Winter activity: not slipping on ice and killing myself.

Love where we are, it's a smallish town with a major university, lots of diverse stores, a great arts community (even an opera company! not that I'm into opera that much), and only a short highway drive to a major city. The only drawback is a lack of larger, cheap housing, so much is split up for student rentals.

'Who are you and how did you get in here?' 'I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.'
Police Squad

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:52 AM

Ok I shouldn't have used above average..

How about more than adequate??
Here's what our state requires on the proficiency to pass high school. Each student must write 2 essays on 2 prompts. Each essay can only be a page long.Here is a sample of a passing essay with the prompt( spelling and other errors included
" Television has made Americans a nation of watchers rather than doers. Agree or Disagree"

Tv makes people lazy and fat. My mom and dad have got fatter because they sit around all day and watch tv and don't go out or do anything at all.
I think that Americans got lazier because of tv and that is just wrong. People should go outside and do things instead of just sitting inside and not doing anything.
Tv was invented a long time ago and before tv people were not fat like they are now. People used to go out and do things and get what they needed to done.
Nowadays everyone stays inside and does nothing except watch tv. It makes me sick to see how people have turned themselves into useless do nothings. They are like the wallrus on the beach except the wallrus has an excuse because it is an animal.
That is why I think that tv has made us watchers instead of doers. We don't DO anything or go anywhere or get anything done. We just sit around getting fatter like my mom and dad.

Would you say this is an acceptable essay to be considered proficient ?

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Monday, January 30, 2012 10:27 AM

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I would say that essay shouldn't be adequate. When I was a young girl we were taught to write five paragraph essays, usually atwo pages long or so, maybe a tad shorter. The format can be expanded to be longer, an opening paragraph, three paragraphs in the middle, or maybe more, with a point in each paragraph with evidence to back it up and a concluding paragraph. this never steered me wrong.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 1:17 PM

I'm not as concerned with their writing as I am with their argument. They're basically saying that the only influence on people's weight is the amount of TV they watch. Really? Nothing else has changed in people's diets or any other factors in their lives that could effect weight? Please. Think a little deeper and find some facts to back up all those statements.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:35 AM

That was my issue with it as well. The mechanics aren't perfect, but I don't think that's essential. If writing is communicating, this is an epic fail. It's not well thought out, has few points, and doesn't make a compelling, logical, coherent statement.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 6:33 AM

Bump

New ponder- what's your favorite sitcom?

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:15 AM

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The Big Bang Theory, hands down. Its the only grown up sitcom I watch. The only other sitcoms I've liked in life have been the ones I grew up with and one that came on when I was 17, they all had kids in them. Big Bang is the only grown up one I've ever really enjoyed. It always makes me laugh hard and I can relate to it and I've never found adult sitcoms particularly relatable.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:53 AM

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Bump

New ponder- what's your favorite sitcom?

All time I'd probably say Seinfeld. That show really didn't have bad episodes.

Currently I'll go with The New Girl. Their delivery of lines is really well done. The main character and the character named Schmidt are really funny. The other main characters are mainly there just to set those two up for jokes IMO.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:28 PM

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Would you say this is an acceptable essay to be considered proficient ?

Ugh. No.

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New ponder- what's your favorite sitcom?

I'll ditto Riona, I love Big Bang. Every episode makes me laugh. How I Met Your Mother is probably the runner-up, but it's been annoying me lately. I think they've stretched it way too thin and need to stop teasing it out. (I care more about Barney and Robin at this point than Ted and the titular Mother, but the dance of both storylines is getting old.)

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Thursday, February 2, 2012 6:43 AM

I agree on HIMYM LiLi... it's getting old.
I do love the Big Bang ( and so does my 2 year old... who strangely thinks Sheldon is nice and funny)

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Thursday, February 2, 2012 1:41 PM

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Sheldon is indeed funny, but he's a total ass, you couldnt' pay me to hang out with him in real life. He's funny to watch on the show though because assery is great on TV when someone else has to put up with it. He does look kind of tall and funny though and he speaks with an interesting cadence to his words, maybe your little one notices these things and finds them humorous, the rest of us do.

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Friday, February 3, 2012 6:25 AM

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Currently I'll go with The New Girl. Their delivery of lines is really well done. The main character and the character named Schmidt are really funny. The other main characters are mainly there just to set those two up for jokes IMO.

Aw that show is great. I haven't seen much of it, but what I have seen is hilarious. And the dynamic between the characters is so sweet. I guess I like when characters actually seem to care that much about each other.

I don't really like Big Bang Theory, because of the girl character (Penny, right?). For one thing, it seems as though the guys are only friends with her because she is pretty. Plus she is always trying to get them to be less nerdy, or making fun of them for being who they are. A lot of times the impression I get from that show is just like "hahah look at how weird nerds are!"

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Friday, February 3, 2012 7:03 AM

I think my son finds Sheldon visually funny and he like the reactionary things he says

Last night's episode was great

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Friday, February 3, 2012 8:24 AM

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Plus she is always trying to get them to be less nerdy, or making fun of them for being who they are. A lot of times the impression I get from that show is just like "hahah look at how weird nerds are!"

Penny is meant to appeal to the vast "non-nerd" television audience; her entire purpose is to ask what the hell they're talking about so they can explain the nerd jokes without doing an "as you know" sort of setup.
I disagree that she's always trying to get them to be less nerdy. She doesn't want to watch Doctor Who with them, but she never says anything like, "You shouldn't watch this show." And there have been episodes where it's shown that she has gained certain amounts of nerdy knowledge, and she agrees to dress up as Wonder Woman for a costume contest at the local comic shop. In the most recent episode, she even grins when he pulls out a lightsaber to function as a light source. (And, to be fair, she gets made fun of for being who she is several times, giving the geeky audience their own "hahah, look how ridiculous non-nerds are!" moments. Sheldon does it the most, but Leonard has taken a few shots himself.)
Clearly, Leonard does like her because she's pretty and not because they have a whole lot in common, but that's a dynamic based in reality for plenty of people, and it provides conflict and tension that is also based in the same reality. The relationships between geeks on the show are a bit more stable while Leonard and Penny ride a roller coaster, something I've personally seen in college; geeks do well with geeks, and have a certain amount of tension with non-geeks, even when the relationships are successful. These relationships are also pretty common because geeks make up a small percentage of the population and can't always find a geeky partner, though the internet has made it easier.
Anyway, I understand your issues with it, but it's possible that watching a few more episodes would soften those issues somewhat.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 6:36 AM

I love the episode in which she's arguing with Leonard and then says she should get points for making a Star Wars analogy
Also the one where they are having sex and she quotes Yoda ( Do or Do not there is no try)

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Monday, February 6, 2012 7:39 AM

I watch the big bang theory from time to time now, but I still don't really like the extreme that the nerds are taken to. I mean the guy that can't even say anything around women without drinking is just ridiculous. Sheldon is clearly over the top on how literally he takes everything. It can be somewhat funny but none of the characters ring true to me really. That always takes a lot out of shows for me.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:52 AM

Apparently Raj ( guy who can't talk without drinking ) is based on a write who used to work with Chuck Lorre.
Sheldon is pretty accurate for Asperger's. They are incredibly literal and have absolutely no sense of humor or social skills.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 5:00 PM

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Also the one where they are having sex and she quotes Yoda ( Do or Do not there is no try)

That's what led to him saying he loved her so she freaked out and dumped him, right?
That's another thing I like about the show, it doesn't follow a lot of gender role stereotypes common in sitcoms. Like Penny being afraid of commitment and Bernadette not wanting to have children or be a housewife. (Her line a few weeks ago about how Howard was welcome to stay home with the children while she had conversations with adults her own age and enjoyed her life was absolutely priceless in her squeaky little voice.)

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Monday, February 6, 2012 5:37 PM

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I've always wondered if the actress who plays Bernadette really sounds like that or if she exaggerates it for the show.

I used to have a problem with people diagnosing sitcom charactors, he says he's not crazy his mom had him tested so lets just go with that. But I've gotten to the place where I don't really care anymore if people diagnose them.

Yeah Thurs.'s episode was funny, my dad fell asleep while we were watching it though so he missed it, woke up at the end and said he recalled none of it. Oh well he can see it again on rerun.

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Monday, February 6, 2012 10:08 PM

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I've always wondered if the actress who plays Bernadette really sounds like that or if she exaggerates it for the show.

She does not sound like that. I listened to a Nerdist podcast that was a Big Bang panel at Comic Con, and I would never have guessed it was the same woman if they hadn't said she played Bernadette.

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...he says he's not crazy his mom had him tested so lets just go with that.

Sheldon's mom may have had him tested (though we should all remember that she's a stereotypical woman of God from Texas who probably took him to a preacher shrink or something) and it's entirely likely that he isn't crazy, but that doesn't mean he can't have Asperger's. "Crazy" has very specific connotations, and if I understand Asperger's correctly it's a condition characterized by a degree of social ineptitude (such as not recognizing sarcasm, facial expressions, or body language) and is often accompanied by high levels of intellect (such as, for example, being a theoretical physicist who receives a doctorate at the age of 16) or skill. Sheldon fits this criteria fairly well. As I said, this wouldn't make him "crazy" because it isn't some form of psychosis or personality disorder. I'm also unsure how long Asperger's has been a well-known diagnosis, so it may not have been recognized by whoever it was that "tested" Sheldon when he was a bullied nerd-child. Since there's been no talk about follow-up tests (and I'm sure Sheldon disdains psychology and all those who study it) I have no trouble believing that he has Asperger's or a similar disorder that older "tests" may have missed or been unaware of, and current tests might diagnose.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:16 AM

Riona- I'm just basing it on the interviews the actor has done stating the character is described as having Aspergers and the episode where Sheldon's mom mentions he has Aspergers but she thinks it should just be call Asshats... but in all fairness I would have said that anyway. A significant number of the students I work with have Aspergers. They've really enjoyed Sheldon because he shows a person with Aspergers having a social life, friends, and being funny. It makes them feel less freakish.

I did love Bernadette's discussion and I think it's nice someone put it out there that lots of women don't want to have or raise kids and that's ok.
I do think Howard would be kind of a cute stay at home dad with Raj for support...giggle
Mind you that would go a long way to supporting Leonard's mother's assertion that they have an ersatz homosexual marriage

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Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:40 PM

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Well "crazy" in the context of the show would include Sheldon, since they all call him crazy or a "whackadoodle", to which he responds he's not crazy his mom had him tested, I doubt she had him tested for psychosis since he doesn't have that at all. And the charactors give each other significant glances after he says it.

I don't think your students should aspire to be like Sheldon, he's a total ass and in real life if someone acts like that they wouldn't have any friends because no one wants to hang out with _that. You couldn't pay me to be friends with Sheldon, or anyone who behaves like that. He obviously has no empathy skills and doesn't feel love.

I do like when shows approach gender rolls differently, everyone is different and there are lots of women who aren't interested in having and raising children, and lots of men who would make amazing primary child rearers.

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Tuesday, February 7, 2012 9:33 PM

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Well "crazy" in the context of the show would include Sheldon, since they all call him crazy or a "whackadoodle", to which he responds he's not crazy his mom had him tested, I doubt she had him tested for psychosis since he doesn't have that at all.

But any official test which declared him "not crazy" would essentially be saying "not psychotic/borderline personality disorder/severe bipolar/anything that would make him non-functioning outside a mental ward." Sheldon being as literal as he is, I doubt he's talking about anything else. I've always seen part of the joke being that he doesn't get what is meant by "crazy" because he thinks only of strict definitions.
I didn't say his mom had him tested for psychosis, she probably had him tested to make sure he could function or if he would need someone looking after him at all times. Of course, he does need someone, since he panics when driving, but in most aspects of his life he does fine. He can cook without burning the place down, he can take care of himself, and he can hold a job so long as he has a way to get there. Someone classified as "crazy" would probably be challenged by such things. So no, Sheldon isn't crazy. He clearly has a disorder (or two) but he isn't crazy. A lot of people have some form of disorder they live with, without being classified as crazy, Sheldon's is just more prominent than most.

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Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:01 AM

There is no classification for "crazy". People are diagnosed with disorders. No psychologist would classify someone as "crazy". They likely wouldn't even call someone "not crazy". It has no clinical definition.

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Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:06 AM

Sadly in a social sense most kids with Aspergers are " asses" The main function of their disability is a complete lack of social skills. Sheldon does fairly well with asking for clarification of what is acceptable and when corrected by Penny, Bernadette or Amy seems fairly responsive. I think the big problem with Sheldon is that the guys put up with him. He isn't nearly as selfish or rude with the girls because every time he is, they tell him to stop and tell him what to do.

I have to say, my favorite character is definitely Amy... she cracks me up!

Zeek- so what'd you think of HIMYM????

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Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:55 AM

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Zeek- so what'd you think of HIMYM????

Haven't seen it yet. I've been spending every night this week working on painting my new bedroom. Took almost all of monday night just prepping the room. Last night I did all the roller work until a little after 11pm. Poor Kaylee only gets to see me when I get back to my apartment to sleep. I'm hoping I can finish up tonight though. I want to get carpet cleaners out there on Friday if I can. Previous owners had a dog and there's tons of fur in the carpet. Then maybe I can move in over the weekend. That's probably a pipe dream though.

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Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:57 AM