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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Most of all it was about people who were doing the things we all do everyday, get by. They were not looking to save empires or anything like that. They were just going from one day to the next.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
and that these people actually have LAYERS, like REAL people do....

And they threw in a joke once in a while too! I don't know how many shows I've quit watching because they got sooo serious that I couldn't relax enough to enjoy them... So many writers don't understand that comedy diffuses tension and helps you relate, and that is one thing that Joss gets where others don't...

But overall, I think they just did "cool" well. It's a whole basketload of eye candy.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Charactors and their situations and relationships with each other, setting, plots, wild West plus space minus aliens, human nature: the good the bad and the really ugly, costuming, dialogue and comedic elements (one of the most quotable shows I know). This is what makes Firefly a brilliant classic never to be eclipsed.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:


Most of all it was about people who were doing the things we all do everyday, get by. They were not looking to save empires or anything like that. They were just going from one day to the next.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by barlong:
We are all here for the same thing, but what made us so emotionally attached to this specific SCI-FI theme?

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Can you really imagine someone other then Fillion playing Mal? What about someone else playing Jayne, or River?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
All of the above...Firefly just had that right mix. The characters are great, but made even better by that actors that played them. Can you really imagine someone other then Fillion playing Mal? What about someone else playing Jayne, or River?

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Publishers Weekly Comics Week: What’s it like taking something from screen to comics?

Joss Whedon: It’s complicated, with Serenity particularly. It’s easy with Buffy in a way because again it’s a pop idea, it could have been a comic book before it was a movie. Serenity doesn’t really lend itself to that in the same way. You can tell fun, compelling stories about it, but you have sort of an ensemble drama that you’re making into a comic book, so you have to find stories that are gonna move in a different rhythm than Buffy stories.

With Serenity and Firefly, you couldn’t do a regular monthly comic the way you can with Buffy because their life isn't [event after event] in the same way. I know that’s strange because we did do a TV show that was not monthly but weekly, but it lends itself to these stories that we tell in a few issues that we really think out beforehand.

Whereas Buffy, maybe because it was on for so many years, already has its own "Marvel universe" attached to it, with hundreds of ancillary characters and situations, so it’s easier to build that kind of story. With Serenity, you want it to feel more like a novel than a straight-up superhero comic.

Publishers Weekly Comics Week: Are there more Serenity comics planned ?

Joss Whedon: Scott [Allie, Dark Horse editor] was definitely like, “Can we not wait three years in between comics next time ?” I’m like, “I hear where you’re going with that.” It is definitely contingent on us having time and finding a particular story. With Buffy, I have an overarching story and I can do anything I want in that. Obviously, like I said before, Serenity doesn’t work that way, so it has to be right. It’s not simple. And the dialogue is very easy to get wrong. Luckily [co-writer Brett Matthews] worked on the show, so he really understands it, but it’s hard to make sure—you can’t take a wrong step with that or it won’t work. Hopefully, we’re not doing that with Buffy, either, but it’s a little more delicate.

The difference also with Serenity is I have more trouble letting it out of my hands. Buffy I ran as a show, and obviously Firefly had a writing staff, a great one, but, for example, with novels—they’re like, “[Let’s do] Serenity novels !” The idea of somebody else writing a Serenity novel, I can’t handle. [But] there are 10 Buffy novels.

Publishers Weekly Comics Week: Do you think that’s because you had more time with Buffy ?

Joss Whedon: I think so. If anybody wrote a Serenity novel right now, it would be the only thing apart from these comic books, which come out very rarely—that there is to say about Serenity. If something’s going to be said about Serenity, it’s going to be said by me. It’s too close to me still. It’s the child that never got to grow up and go to college.
www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/new-titles/adult-announcements/ar
ticle/6675-whedon-can--t-get-enough-serenity-.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20090415090750/http://www.publishersweekly.
com/article/CA6497916.html?nid=2789
www.whedon.info/Joss-Whedon-Buffy-Tv-Series-Comic.html

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Not really - but that's becuase they're who I associate with the character. Had someone else gotten a given role, say if NPH had been cast as Simon, well - HE'D be Simon for me, and Sean Maher would be just some dude I couldn't imagine in the role.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not really - but that's becuase they're who I associate with the character. Had someone else gotten a given role, say if NPH had been cast as Simon, well - HE'D be Simon for me, and Sean Maher would be just some dude I couldn't imagine in the role.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Not really - but that's becuase they're who I associate with the character. Had someone else gotten a given role, say if NPH had been cast as Simon, well - HE'D be Simon for me, and Sean Maher would be just some dude I couldn't imagine in the role.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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True, but a huge part of what made the show great was the interactions with the other actors. So if Harris would have been cast as Simon, he would be Simon to you and everyone else, of course that also means the show may not have been as good and you may not care who played the role at all.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Honestly, Simon is the character I have the least affection for, and Maher, nothing personal against him, has never really registered much for me as an actor. If anything, I may have liked it more with Harris.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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I mean synthahol??? Where's THAT get fun???

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Originally posted by two:


He believes that the pacing and storyarc structure he created for Firefly would work poorly as a regular series Serenity does not have the wealth of background material generated by seven seasons of television to draw from

Joss' actual words about why there aren't Serenity novels and monthly comics:

Joss Whedon: It’s complicated, with Serenity particularly. It’s easy with Buffy in a way because again it’s a pop idea, it could have been a comic book before it was a movie. Serenity doesn’t really lend itself to that in the same way. You can tell fun, compelling stories about it, but you have sort of an ensemble drama that you’re making into a comic book, so you have to find stories that are gonna move in a different rhythm than Buffy stories.

With Serenity and Firefly, you couldn’t do a regular monthly comic the way you can with Buffy because their life isn't [event after event] in the same way. I know that’s strange because we did do a TV show that was not monthly but weekly, but it lends itself to these stories that we tell in a few issues that we really think out beforehand.

With Serenity, you want it to feel more like a novel than a straight-up superhero comic.

Publishers Weekly Comics Week: Are there more Serenity comics planned ?

Joss Whedon: Scott [Allie, Dark Horse editor] was definitely like, “Can we not wait three years in between comics next time ?” I’m like, “I hear where you’re going with that.” It is definitely contingent on us having time and finding a particular story. With Buffy, I have an overarching story and I can do anything I want in that. Obviously, like I said before, Serenity doesn’t work that way, so it has to be right. It’s not simple. And the dialogue is very easy to get wrong. Luckily [co-writer Brett Matthews] worked on the show, so he really understands it, but it’s hard to make sure—you can’t take a wrong step with that or it won’t work. Hopefully, we’re not doing that with Buffy, either, but it’s a little more delicate.

The difference also with Serenity is I have more trouble letting it out of my hands. Buffy I ran as a show, and obviously Firefly had a writing staff, a great one, but, for example, with novels—they’re like, “[Let’s do] Serenity novels !” The idea of somebody else writing a Serenity novel, I can’t handle.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Wish: Well he IS letting his brother write in the verse now. So it's not a total wash.

I kind of understand Joss and where he's coming from. He's still hurt by the cancellation and he's still trying to protect himself and the Firefly verse from further losses. I actually think he could make oodles of money if he wanted to put out a heist a week sort of serial, but maybe that's not what he wants. He wants it to keep its integrity I think.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Charactors and their situations and relationships with each other, setting, plots, wild West plus space minus aliens, human nature: the good the bad and the really ugly, costuming, dialogue and comedic elements (one of the most quotable shows I know). This is what makes Firefly a brilliant classic never to be eclipsed.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:


*sigh
IF YOU WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE A NOVEL, JOSS- DO A DAMN NOVEL!!! Yer not the only decent writer on the planet...

I REALLY don't think he's giving us enough credit, or even, ANY credit. WE've hung around for TEN YEARS!!! waiting for a STORY. All he has to do is read and authorize stories he likes. He doesn't even have to give up complete creative control over THOSE, I'm sure most authors would agree to a little re-write on his say-so. And the dialogue isn't THAT hard to grasp either, I think most of us are pretty fluent. IT's a modern-westernized-redneck-cool- with an efficient streak, removing some conjunctions, and adding a little force and a little rhythm. Pah.


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and wondering and worrying if we're gonna get something afore the actors get in walkers...

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