Religions/Beliefs of Browncoats by EngineAngel

Born again Pagan

I tend to describe myself as a New Age Hippie. A lot of people don't like the "new age" tag, but for me it fits.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:59 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Pagan Buddhist, with Wiccan, Druid, Shaman, and Egyptian leanings.
It's complicated to some, and doesn't work in an organized setting, but it works very well for me

...And I'm one who doesn't like the term "new age" because so much of it is so very, very old. But I love my Hippie

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Gautama Siddharta

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:00 AM

WHITEFALL

I'm athiest. I respect and kinda envy how people get that comfort out of religion, but i just cant wrap my brain around it.

"But, these strong women characters?"

"Why aren't you asking 100 other guys why they don't write strong women characters?" -Joss Whedon

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:02 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

My cup o' tea is existential atheistism - yeah, I have fun with it.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:03 AM

The most significant portion of my respect for those of the Jewish faith is that they do not actively seek to convert others to their system of belief. That speaks to me of respect, and I admire respectful behaviour.

A (perhaps) misplaced "amen", to you and yours. May you be well.

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Was Malcolm Reynolds circumcised, as a matter of health or routine?

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:06 AM

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Originally posted by cozen:
Was Malcolm Reynolds circumcised, as a matter of health or routine?

I'LL CHECK!!! I'LL CHECK!!! More than happy to examine him and find out!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:08 AM

PAGANPAUL

Check my screen name.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:09 AM

I'm sorry, D'H, but, um, would you really care either way?

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:11 AM

Care? Heck no! I just want to look at his... look at him is all.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:13 AM

FREDGIBLET

Strong Agnostic-Apatheist

Basically while I do not believe in a god I admit the possibility that there is one, but I don't care anyway.

A little more in depth, I believe that all of our religions are wrong because they are made by people trying to explain natural phenomena. This does not mean that there is no god, but rather that the gods that we have created are false. I have not seen enough evidence of divine influence to make me believe in a god, so I choose to not believe. I believe that if there is a god, we lack the mental capacity to comprehend its form, desires, or influence, so I have no intention of trying. I intend to live my life by my rules, and hope that if there is a god it cares as little about people as I suspect, so it doesn't choose to punish me for ignoring it (which if I am right it won't care about anyway).

/ramble

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:14 AM

Just look, and not... touch?

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Poor Malcolm!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:16 AM

Thanks for the thread. It helps for those of us who don't really fit in a specific rhealm of religiosity.
There is no real name for religion to our people. It was so intertwined with the lives of the people that it was never named. Hanen't even researched a label for it. Lets see. It is monotheologic, in tune with nature, has good and evil, various rituals, prayer, and meditation.
Not really looking for a label. Just like living and dying. It just is.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:20 AM

WINDIE

I see this thread has gone the right way, nothing like "worshipping" the human body.

I am interested in PR's choice of beliefs, seems a mighty interesting combination

"Pagan Buddhist, with Wiccan, Druid, Shaman, and Egyptian leanings."

Will have to do me a little more reading I think

Why have they taken the sky from ME

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:20 AM

My question for the atheists in the bunch: are you strict philosophical atheists (which holds that there is no valid argument proving the existence of God) or dogmatic atheists (believing that no entity "God" exists? Just found out there was a difference, so I'm curious.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by cozen:
Just look, and not... touch?

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Poor Malcolm!

Oh yes, touching is good too

Of course this does all depend on me having his permission to even look in the first place. He seems friendly enough when fans want a photo of him, but this could be a bit much...

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:26 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
My question for the atheists in the bunch: are you strict philosophical atheists (which holds that there is no valid argument proving the existence of God) or dogmatic atheists (believing that no entity "God" exists? Just found out there was a difference, so I'm curious.

Both.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:27 AM

Just to be fair, I'm one of those that understands "God" is a creation of m/woman, likely man, eh? However, I'm not quite so arrogant as to believe I may not be mistaken. It's just that certain horrid circumstances in my life haven't left me predisposed to accepting blind faith.

To those who believe: I say, peace be with you. I've no argument with any of you.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:28 AM

LOSTDOG

Okay, I definitely think that religion and politics are the touchiest of all subjects. But it's okay because we are all Browncoats here. I can't say that I follow any particular religion. I believe that there is definitely something bigger out there than all of us, but what, I don't know(Maybe, Firefly). That is probably the biggest question yet to be answered. I am not saying religion is bad. It is good for people to believe in something and to have faith. I just try to keep an open mind and always be willing to learn more about this subject in any capacity. For me, keeping it simple works, treat people how I would want to be treated and go about my business. All of this is just my opinion and I am not as educated as I would like to be on this subject. But there is one other thing I would like to add "....There's no place I can be since I found Serenity You can't take the sky from me!!!!!"

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:28 AM

FREDGIBLET

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
My question for the atheists in the bunch: are you strict philosophical atheists (which holds that there is no valid argument proving the existence of God) or dogmatic atheists (believing that no entity "God" exists? Just found out there was a difference, so I'm curious.

generally speaking...yes.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:28 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by windie:
nothing like "worshipping" the human body.

I think it's a temple, does that count?
Not sure which of my belief structures that came from. But I do, I think the best temple is ourselves. Take care of yourself and be mindful and worship with your body and through your body in every way.
Maybe that's Buddhist, with a dash of Wicca. Both kind of say the body is sacred and powerful.
Also, the best faith is not blind. You have to take control of it and yourself. Check my sig quote; there's lots like that.

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Gautama Siddharta

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:31 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by lostdog:
I believe that there is definitely something bigger out there than all of us, but what, I don't know

You probably weren't looking for a label, but that is generally referred to as "Agnostic"

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Gautama Siddharta

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:32 AM

Ok, this is going well so far.
I am an atheist, but I have been called a closet-pagan. Probably close in my beliefs to NVG...
Used to be a billboard atheist until I discovered tolerance.

Weird to hear an atheist say that, eh? I am tolerant of all religions, so long as no one tries to tell me I'm going to hell or try to "put me on the path of righteousness". There are a lot of those, as I live in the buckle of the bible belt. I have no preference for the religiosity of those I deal with, and actually am happy that they have faith and believe what they do. To answer Causal, I do not believe that there is an entity/ies called "god" in the universe. I believe god was created by Man in his own image to serve his need for something greater than himself. I do believe that most Christians and other people of faith surpass this base definition, and truly find peace and love in a god they believe in. I do not belittle this faith, as I think it does take a strong person to do so...not saying those of us who are "godless" are weak, just approaching things from a different angle. Faith in something bigger and better helps those that believe; faith in oneself helps those that do not.
Hope that made sense and wasn't too out there a definition...

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:32 AM

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Of course this does all depend on me having his permission to even look in the first place. He seems friendly enough....

Um... heh. See, there's this notion of you being naked and... articulate in his presence.

Also, there's Nathan's propensity to kilts, and the assumption of the lack of, well, anything 'tween the kilt and the answer to all our questions.

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Just, y'know, sayin', is all....

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:35 AM

Tristan, your belief is so in synch with mine that I'm tempted to believe we're the same person, lol!

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'Cept for that discrepancy in costumey talent. And, the fact we have different parents. Huh!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:38 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

That was real pretty, Tristan, what you just said.

OK, this keeps getting more interesting. I believe in both myself and something more. I think that some... power, whether it even has conciousness or not, can come through me and help me do things, I just have to be open to it. To not be open and inviting would mean it couldn't get to me. I have changed lanes without thinking about it and avoided accidents, I have decided not to do something or do something else and avoided problems. This doesn't always work, I've done some things even when I knew better and haven't always had something else seem to take control of my car, but I think it's pretty powerful. I'm not sure if it just expands my own senses or what it does, but it's something I can believe in because listening to it (or to myself) has never led me wrong, it's just the listening that's sometimes hard.
I hope that made sense to folk who aren't me.

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Gautama Siddharta

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:38 AM

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Originally posted by cozen:
Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Of course this does all depend on me having his permission to even look in the first place. He seems friendly enough....

Um... heh. See, there's this notion of you being naked and... articulate in his presence.

Also, there's Nathan's propensity to kilts, and the assumption of the lack of, well, anything 'tween the kilt and the answer to all our questions.

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Just, y'know, sayin', is all....

*wanders off to a very happy place inside her head*

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:40 AM

Oh, no! Cozen, tell me we haven't fallen into the multiple account trap!

It took many years to reach my level of "belief", but I'm happy where I am. Still cautious enough not to bring up religion in everyday conversations, though...I somtimes lose friends when the discussions get heated. Live and let live is an easy but cliched way to describe it...

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:56 AM

Yeah, I am SO inclined to avoiding religious "discussions". Because they ever turn into arguments. Now, I admire passion, I really do, but there's times when passions trump respect, and I feel that in the case of religion, that passions trump sensibility, and tend to harming friendships. This is a path I would rather not follow. That is to say, you (anyone) believes in God, or not, well, cool. We can connect in so many other ways.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:57 AM

MAVOURNEEN

I was going to write something about the Zen Christianity book I am reading...a blending of Taoism/Eastern Zen with more "traditional" Christian beliefs, but then DTH had to go and talk about Nathan in a kilt.

Mmmmmm....kilty goodness...

*blinks hard a few times*

"Have you ever been with a Warrior Woman?"

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:08 AM

I agree. Unfortunately, it is seldom the case in reality. I love sitting down over coffee to discuss things like this with people of all types, but something someone says gets misconstrued, and the next thing you know there's a huge arguement about who's right and who's wrong...oy! Religion, or lack of, should not be the "whole" of a person...if that's all they are, then they are just spoiling for a fight in my opinion. Down here (AL), some people introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm so-and-so! I'm a -insert denomination here-. What church do you go to?" When the answer is "I don't", the immediate response is "Well, why not?!?"...just goes downhill from there. It's gotten better in the last few years...I just avoid people all together!

Kidding. Just wish real life discussions on these subjects could be as civil as this one is turning out to be.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:09 AM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Yes, talking about religion is not good. Even though I don't live in the Bible Belt, I may as well - I've inadvertently surrounded myself with hardcore Christians.

Oh, wait, it wasn't inadvertent - I was one. Not to make that sound bad in general; but what I'm talking about really is bad. If there are people more fundamentalist than my friends, I would probably kill them right after we met.

The only religious people I can't stand are the ram-it-down-your-throat missionary types. Bleh!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:11 AM

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

I'm both a philosophical atheist and a dogmatic atheist.

As I understand it, the proposition of God's existence is non-falsifiable; therefore there is no way to prove (through any argument or evidence) the existence or non-existence of God.

My starting position is that I do not already believe there is a Judeo/Christian/Muslim God, any more than I believe there is a pantheon headed by Zeus, and I am (as explained above) unlikely to hear an argument or be presented with evidence to change that belief.

That said, I find myself becoming mellower over the subject of religion as I get older, and I acknowledge that spirituality seems to be built into the human psyche, for no doubt evolutionarily satisfactory reasons. My spiritual desires are more or less satisfied by the mantra, "The world is a sacred place, and I am a part of the world", as explicated in Daniel Quinn's novel _The Story of B_.

Indigo S.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:13 AM

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Originally posted by cozen:
Just to be fair, I'm one of those that understands "God" is a creation of m/woman, likely man, eh? However, I'm not quite so arrogant as to believe I may not be mistaken. It's just that certain horrid circumstances in my life haven't left me predisposed to accepting blind faith.

To those who believe: I say, peace be with you. I've no argument with any of you.

Nice, Cozen. Wish everybody were as enlightened as all that. The only thing that gripes me is that some people confuse tolerance with subjective relativism.

Now if we can just avoid the multiple-account-having folks, we can get on with our pleasant little conversation.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:23 AM

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Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
As I understand it, the proposition of God's existence is non-falsifiable; therefore there is no way to prove (through any argument or evidence) the existence or non-existence of God.

That's the quandary in a nutshell. The trouble seems to be that God is not available to empirical (that is, inductive) study--so the only way to make positive arguments for God's existence is via deductive arguments. Obviously, the problem with that is that even if you've got a logically valid argument (e.g. "If the moon is made of cheese, then God exists; the moon is made of cheese: therefore, God exists") there is much debate on the truth of the propositions of said arguments, so God can't be proven to all people beyond the shadow of a doubt. On the other hand, in order to disprove God, you would have to start with the premiss, "Given any X, X is not God", and there is just no way to consider and reject every possible X.

The philosophical atheists solve this problem (in a way) by claiming that there is no sound (that is, logically valid with true premises) argument for God's existence; therefore, there is no good reason for believing in God. This is an interesting position, because it does not deny that God exists--merely that there's no good reason to believe that he does.

The dogmatic atheist, on the other hand, believes that there is no such entity as God at all. But because, as you pointed out, "God exists" is non-falsifiable, they must hold this belief on faith without empirical evidence. So in a way, it would appear that to be dogmatically atheist requires faith after all.

Interesting, no?

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:35 AM

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

You put it very well, Causal. One minor quibble, though -- I think "faith" is somewhat stronger than the term "belief".

For myself, I wouldn't say I have "faith" that there is no God, because I think that would imply I'm going to stick to my proposition even in the face of contrary evidence, or that I think my position will be borne out by supporting evidence someday.

Rather, I would say that right now I "believe" there is no God. I'm not sitting on the fence about it, like an agnostic; I both think and feel there is no God. But it is perfectly possible that I might experience a stroke/revelation (take your pick) someday that I will experience as a spiritual event, and I don't think I have any faith such as to preclude the possibility that that experience will change my mind.

What kind of tickles me is the knowledge that, once changed, my mind would be set to a new position and it would be nigh on impossible to argue me back to my former position :)

Indigo S.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:35 AM

Causal, interesting atheist definitions. Not sure what you mean by faith in that context, though. I have faith in things, even without having a god to base the faith on; faith in myself and faith in others. Dogmatic atheist may not be the best way to describe those of us who do not believe there is a higher power, although it is kind of funny!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:50 AM

In addition to what I said before:

The belief of my people is usually hard to grasp for alot of folks. The belief is that this world is seperated by the next by but a slim veil. Many of the rituals and meditation are used to contact not only the parts of ourselves that lay dormant, but the dead who dwell in the next world. Not to say that there is or isn't a god, but in the next world we are joined with the driving/creating force. In actuality, birth, life, and death are the same thing. Once the body has passed, the spirit is given one year to purify before moving on. Varied forms of rituals in many different tribes allow a spirit to do so. The only way to describe it is Einstien's theory that since everything is made up of energy, when people die they dissipate to infinity. He was not the first person to think this way.
It was also common amongst the people to believe that the good and bad energies must find somewhere to go. So when we die, those closest to us could be inflicted or enlightened by or thoughts and actions. Its all energy and has to go somewhere.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:56 AM

FREDGIBLET

nvghostrider

Who are your people?

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:57 AM

Thank you, NVG, for describing that. I like the way that sounds...very beautiful way of life and belief.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:00 AM

Stillwater Paiute, Stillwater Nevada.

Like I said, the beliefs are hard to define as they are intertwined with everyday life.

And thanks Tristan.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:01 AM

EMBERS

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:

Not really looking for a label. Just like living and dying. It just is.

I really respect this!

I believe in it all... I was raised as a Unitarian and I want to find what is universal in human beliefs,
I am not interested in anything that divides people or has a 'holier than thou' direction....

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:10 AM

PAGANPAUL

nvghostrider, in the Pagan/Wiccan religions we believe much the same thing. On Samhain (Halloween) we believe that the veil between the worlds is thinnest, and we often perform a rite called the Wild Hunt, in which a doorway is dedicated to those that have gone ahead before us, and they are invited to visit with us for a short time.

I could tell you all stories of things I've seen at this time, but most of you wouldn't believe them anyway.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:14 AM

PaganPaul...does the hunt have anything to do with the white stag? I am a "student" of all things Celtic, but have not gotten too far into the religious side (apart from the Tuatha de Danann, but my interest is more on the history/mythology than the religion/sprituality).

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:34 AM

As Embers was saying, many beleifs shadow each other. But it seems that our beleifs are more along the lines of walk the right path everyday, communicate with them everyday, and give thanks everyday. Dierct Counsel is given from those before us only by their choice. Sacrifices of self (Sundance, vision quest) are a way to both give and recieve from those before us. The veil is not meant to be a barrier in a bad sense. But more of a tool to help those on both sides focus on the present.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:35 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Taoist/Buddhist.

I was of the Episcopalian faith, but it wasn't a great fit for me.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:41 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

Being a Pagan myself, I try to respect everyones beliefs,as londg as no one's trying to convert me, or tell me I'm dammed.
It's amazing to me how many Pagans are heirarchal and end up being as bad & unaccepting as any other organized religion.Which is why I remain solitary.

Tristan ,have you trad The Mabinogian ? Lots of Celtic mythy goodness with many Pagan ideals thrown in.
Bryce
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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:45 AM

oops--see below

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:52 AM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Basically while I do not believe in a god I admit the possibility that there is one, but I don't care anyway.

Well said Fred. Wasn't that well said?

I'm an atheist, I don't agonize over it or reason it out on a daily basis or anything. It just seems obvious to me, and I enjoy what I experience of the `verse. What's beyond me, what I can't see or understand, I just don't worry about. That's worked just fine.

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Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:56 AM