Imponderable Watercooler - #error type 2 0 9 4 by RiverIsMyGoddess

You have more perception than Fly. I felt something flying over my head but assumed it was the brickonarope.

Moving? As much as I'd like to there is alot holding me here. And really, I love the valley. It's the need and want in sharing it with another person, that is what gets to me. Another thing that bothers me is the fact I get wrapped up with women who understand my love of the land and everything in it.

Damnit, now I'm trying to list the posative things and, though they are great, I need someone else to revel upon them.

Somehow that sounds selfish to me. I know it ain't, it just sounds like it.

LIBERTAS SUMPTUS

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:10 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

DTH, Thanks for answering my PM. I appreciate it.

Watch those apricots, they’ve been sitting out for a while.

Oh, “SliGo”, I thought you said “SliVo”(vitz)

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
my life sucks...may i please have another?

I'm sure I had a spare in here somewhere

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
However, I must state, for the record, that I do not believe I am the cutest engineer ever. It's a nice thought, though.

Kindly provide evidence to the contrary. (Surely I am not the only voyeu…camera companion client to take exception with this statement…)

Glad that a new place may be opening up for you soon, if not at the right price: leastways it’ll be all yours again.

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
I can smoke a quarter pound of grass and get nothing but dry eyes and very sleepy.

I'm sure you meant could smoke--if you did smoke, which you obviously don't bein' an upstandin' fed-emp an' all. (fedempenal-new fed med? *makes himself snikker*) You obviously would not admit on a public forum that you engage in illegal activities and thereby pose a national security risk. Or maybe you just don’t inhale…?

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
I snorted a Dew once

I know I’ve heard that before from someone…

Oh, “Dew” not “Da”. I just having a time of it trying to understand you young’uns.

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I should mention that I don't go around sniffing anyone. So, I'm not just a walking sexual harassment time bomb that I know of.

I can have access to any perfume from Mav that floats my way.

I say get a t-shirt or a poster:

You pick. (er, not your nose.)

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Somehow that sounds selfish to me. I know it ain't, it just sounds like it.

Naw, Sunsets and movies are no fun unless there's "someone" to share them with.
Meet Moxie. (via Sahara, the Browncoat not the Desert)

“Let me sniff your neck…”

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:19 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
However, I must state, for the record, that I do not believe I am the cutest engineer ever. It's a nice thought, though.

Kindly provide evidence to the contrary. (Surely I am not the only voyeu…camera companion client to take exception with this statement…)

I'm going to have to agree with JQ on this one (gasp!). For the sake of comparison:

The "IT Goddess Calendar", professional photography meant to show that women in tech careers can be beautiful: http://www.itgoddess.info
HK with a camera phone (on someone else's carpet, omg!): http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=28611#493875

Dunno about you guys, but I think it's pretty clear who the cutest engineer is.

Btw, thanks for all the great replies to the fic I posted, both here and in the comments on the fic. I really really appreciate it.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:20 AM

FLYVOTE

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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
However, I must state, for the record, that I do not believe I am the cutest engineer ever. It's a nice thought, though.

Kindly provide evidence to the contrary.

She has provided ample evidence to strongly support my supposition.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:29 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

I'm with you guys on the evidence, and I can assure you for certain that she is cuter that this engineer.

Jonny, uh, yeah, uh, that's what I meant, if I smoked, mmhmm. It was a hypothetical situation, really, yeah, that's it.

~jimi
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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:30 AM

FLYVOTE

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
I'm with you guys on the evidence, and I can assure you for certain that she is cuter that this engineer.

Hell, RIMG, you are cuter than this engineer.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:33 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

Hi CK (and Hi rugbug from sometime yesterday)

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I'm going to have to agree with JQ on this one (gasp!).

You're just mad because I left you out. Sorry. I was bound to miss someone. I'm not always wrong either you know. FlyVote just makes it a point to let everyone know when I am.

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For the sake of comparison:
The "IT Goddess Calendar", professional photography meant to show that women in tech careers can be beautiful:
HK with a camera phone (on someone else's carpet, omg!):
Dunno about you guys, but I think it's pretty clear who the cutest engineer is.

Why, darlin' you're almost making me

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Btw, thanks for all the great replies to the fic I posted, both here and in the comments on the fic. I really really appreciate it.

Okay, Things to do before I die.

#49,381: Read ShinyTrinket's fanfic.
#49,529: Read Mavourneen's fanfic.
#49,764: Read CaliforniaKaylee's fanfic.

Anybody else?

Sigh.

I read snippets just so's I get a feel for style and such, but with 2 jobs and all my regular reading undone, I'm just

a loser

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:37 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
DTH, Thanks for answering my PM. I appreciate it.

Uh... what PM??? Did you PM me???

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:40 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
You're just mad because I left you out. Sorry. I was bound to miss someone.

Nah, I'm not an engineer. I work with engineers, and routinely piss them off by bossing them around, but if I were to call myself an engineer, the ghosts of the engineers whose spirits I've broken over the years would rise up against me. I'll leave the contest for the cutest engineer to those who are actually qualified.

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Okay, Things to do before I die.

#49,381: Read ShinyTrinket's fanfic.
#49,529: Read Mavourneen's fanfic.
#49,764: Read CaliforniaKaylee's fanfic.

Hehe, np JQ. I only posted it because my sister threatened to do bad things to me if I didn't. (On the bright side, mine is only 443 words long (I just checked), so if you have a minute or two...

)

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:42 AM

FLYVOTE

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Btw, thanks for all the great replies to the fic I posted, both here and in the comments on the fic. I really really appreciate it.

Your positive feedback is well deserved. The story was brief, but conveyed more than other stories much longer. Your writing style allows the reader to walk around in the character's interior monologue and bring the reader's own interpretation to the text. Again, well done!

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:43 AM

Oh, Hi guys.

I'm embroiled in a convo on another BB about legalizing prostitution. I have my own thoughts on that, but the wierdest turn for me was the comparison of massage therapy to prostitution. Yes, there are a few similarities, but enough to compare them and then state 'why is it okay to rub a body all over except for once specific area?' Am I way off base thinking that the two really aren't similar enough for that?

Oh and HK, I have a serious love affair going on with the Dew. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it. However, in order to stay smaller than the size of a mountain, I abstain except for Sat and Sun when I buy one can at the barn. It doubles as "lunch."

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:43 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

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Originally posted by FlyVote:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
I'm with you guys on the evidence, and I can assure you for certain that she is cuter that this engineer.
Hell, RIMG, you are cuter than this engineer.

I've never seen any evidence of this, but, uh, thank you. :)

I have some stories, Jonny, if you wanna read them feel free. Sailing Beyond the Sunset isn't done yet, but From Bad to Worse is. Oh, and be sure to read the description of you go to any of the others besides those.

~jimi
SFC Alexander, Chief Medic for the 76th Indepentent Army Battalion

any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:48 AM

MAVOURNEEN

Hi Rugbug,

I have some very definite thoughts, too...but comparing massage therapy to prostitution is ridiculous.

How have you been, other than banging your head about other BBs?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:50 AM

Hi Rugbug!

I think there can be a fine line between what's really massage therapy, and what's just a euphemism for prostitution. That said, I hate it when people assume that a "massage therapist" is really a prostitute (anyone remember the Scott Peterson trial and the big deal that was made about Amber Frey being a massage therapist?). Real massage therapy is miles away from prostitution, IMO.

I think the difference between the two is all about intention and atmosphere. It's like the difference between artistic nudes and pornography: "I know it when I see it." And as long as we want to keep prostitution illegal (or even legal only with a license), we have to draw specific and sometimes arbitrary lines between what is and isn't prostitution.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:53 AM

GORRAMMIT GORRAMMIT GORRAMMIT!!! I've got about a dozen PMs in my JUNK folder!!! How the heck did they get there???

*mutterbetterchangemailfiltersettingsmutter*

*sigh* Apologies to anyone who PMd me and didn't get a response. I'll reply as soon as I can.

Dammit!

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:54 AM

Sure DTH..... I am sure everyone understands.....

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Paladin

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:00 AM

MAVOURNEEN

It's time for me to leave for the evening.

Have a great night, everyone.

*waves goodbye, and pinches Kel's cute tush on her way out of the thread*

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:00 AM

DUG

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I feel that way with my Excel program right now. For some reason, whenever I hit print preview, all my margins, footers, headers , etc go wacky.
For no reason that I can find.

I can't look at something before I print it. I just have to hope for the best.

Bleh. GI/GO.

Mavourneen,

Any luck sorting out your Excel issues? I've had a few files go glitchy on me as well. Some of them I can save and reopen and fix things; some I just have to rebuild. And as the office guru I have to deal with everyones glitchy files. They keep upgrading the features upper managers are impressed by but leaving the bugs in the program. Try entering more than approx. 1200 characters in cell....at some random point it will just stop displaying them. That's been a known bug for at least 5 years. Now try convincing co-workers NOT TO PUT THAT MUCH TEXT IN A CELL.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:02 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RugBug:
I have my own thoughts on that, but the wierdest turn for me was the comparison of massage therapy to prostitution. Yes, there are a few similarities, but enough to compare them and then state 'why is it okay to rub a body all over except for once specific area?' Am I way off base thinking that the two really aren't similar enough for that?

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
I have some very definite thoughts, too...but comparing massage therapy to prostitution is ridiculous.

I have thoughts sometimes. Frequently they are perceived as offensive. Perhaps I am filling the void left by CMH’s departure? Nah. Though I often thinks I was the only one what understood him.

Anyway, having you body, minus the specific area, massaged with [occasionally hot] oil is one of the most sensuous things I can imagine. I can see, if not agree, with the notion that very little might separate the two disciplines. An excellent massage can do as much and perhaps more for you *ahem* than a well-practiced, um, you know. (Having no whoring experience to draw from, I am applying one night stand parameters. Yeah, right big difference there, huh?) Jus’ sayin’. Perhaps the few similarities happen to be the paramount ones. And if the massage isn’t enough to float your boat, then perhaps the masseur/masseuse is remiss.

EDIT: This is why massage parlors have always made a great cover for the other trade.

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Oh, Hi guys.

I'm embroiled in a convo on another BB about legalizing prostitution. I have my own thoughts on that, but the wierdest turn for me was the comparison of massage therapy to prostitution. Yes, there are a few similarities, but enough to compare them and then state 'why is it okay to rub a body all over except for once specific area?' Am I way off base thinking that the two really aren't similar enough for that?

Eh you get it regulated properly and I see no problem with legalizing it. They would need to require protection. And probably have some very large bouncers on the premises in case someone gets out of hand.

You get those things taken care of and then what's the problem?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:08 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
*waves goodbye, and pinches Kel's cute tush on her way out of the thread*

What the...?

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
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Originally posted by Mavourneen:
*waves goodbye, and pinches Kel's cute tush on her way out of the thread*

What the...?

Na na na na nana!

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Paladin

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:09 AM

Living in Nevada I never thought much about prostitution. Like pot, it should have some controls to keep it on an even keel. Most people don't see it as a problem because they don't see it. I think that is a bigger issue than legality.

Oh and Dew from the can, Yummins! I get one ot two a month due to the mass amounts of sugar.

LIBERTAS SUMPTUS

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:10 AM

I think there could still be a problem with women getting stuck in that line of work, more or less forced to do it by an overbearing man (or even an overbearing woman, I suppose). That sort of thing could be fixed by better regulation and carefully written laws, but it's something we would have to be aware of if we wanted to legalize prostitution. There are areas in the US with legalized prostitution so I do think it could work. Then again, we're currently living with a fairly conservative government that is still trying to regulate the sex we have in our own bedrooms, between consenting adults, so I don't think we'll have national legalized prostitution anytime soon. (And that's all I'm gunna say on politics.

)

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:15 AM

Thus ends my aspirations of being a freelance Browncoat man-whore. (pouts)

LIBERTAS SUMPTUS

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:19 AM

Hey Mavs,

You're already gone, but life is good, aside from semi-heated BB discussions. Actually, those aren't bad either.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Eh you get it regulated properly and I see no problem with legalizing it. They would need to require protection. And probably have some very large bouncers on the premises in case someone gets out of hand.

My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:20 AM

See not necessarily NVG. Most times its only the women that get picked up for prostitution. Most police look the other way with the boy-whores unless they are servicing men.

I think if they are even concidering legalizing it they should pick up the pace. Save some of the women from having to work and only get like $10 dollars a job and a beating.

EDIT: Um if they legalize it, it wouldn't just be for the women RB. Kinda a 1 sided view, there are men doing it as well. Women doing it is more heard of but I think it is a pretty balanced profession (if I can call it that)

I think that when women look for that type of service they are more careful then men are so it is not caught as much.

Kelkhil

The Shirtless Forsaken

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:24 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RugBug:
I'm embroiled in a convo on another BB about legalizing prostitution.

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I think there can be a fine line between what's really massage therapy, and what's just a euphemism for prostitution. That said, I hate it when people assume that a "massage therapist" is really a prostitute (anyone remember the Scott Peterson trial and the big deal that was made about Amber Frey being a massage therapist?). Real massage therapy is miles away from prostitution, IMO.

I think the difference between the two is all about intention and atmosphere. It's like the difference between artistic nudes and pornography: "I know it when I see it." And as long as we want to keep prostitution illegal (or even legal only with a license), we have to draw specific and sometimes arbitrary lines between what is and isn't prostitution.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Eh you get it regulated properly and I see no problem with legalizing it. They would need to require protection. And probably have some very large bouncers on the premises in case someone gets out of hand.

You get those things taken care of and then what's the problem?

Without specifically condoning the oldest profession, its legality is a secondary issue. I think I have to agree with CK and Zeek on this one GASP!. And I'll raise ya a chip. Why should there be a line? Two consenting adults engaging in...whatever. What's the fuss?

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Two consenting adults engaging in...whatever. What's the fuss?

That's generally my view across the board. I would add to it "in private" -- once you bring your sexual activities into a public space, different rules need to apply, for the sake of the public. I also think we need to focus on the word "consenting". If it's 'have sex with this guy or get beaten by your pimp', that's not consent, IMO. And not all adults have the mental abilities to consent, and I think they need to be protected from sexual predators as well. But with those caveats -- in private, between truly consenting adults (two or more!) -- I don't see what the fuss is, really.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:43 AM

I disagree Kelkil. I don't think prostitution is balanced. (Even Kaylee asks if the boy-whores are for the womenfolk. What was up with that? She had to question if they would service women?)

The male prostitutes are most often for men, unless we're talking about higher end. From my other BB discussion:

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most women who want to get laid can usually get some, and men are also dependent on being able to get it up - so theoretically, the women that really CAN'T get some are perhaps the type that most men are not going to want to sleep with, thus you'd have to be pretty damn good to get turned on at will.

Supposedly that's from the blog of a professional dominatrix...but I tend to agree with her.

Prostitution (and even porn) is focused on men.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:46 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RugBug:
My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

This is as close to RWED as we are likely to get around these parts, but it also harks back to the "Male & Female Imponderables" days.

With the Porno business actually being bigger than "legitimate" Hollywood, I think the hard fight (no puns please) to be seen as more that boobs and a vagina (said fight need not even leave this here board on some occasions), isn't going to be swayed by legalizing prostitution, especially when you add all of the other legal "sex occupations" to the mix. The drugs, violence, disease, avenues of last resort are all around now.

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
I also think we need to focus on the word "consenting". If it's 'have sex with this guy or get beaten by your pimp', that's not consent, IMO.

I agree...but is it consenting if the choice is 'have sex or live on the street," "have sex or go home to your abusive parents," "Have sex so you can get your next fix?"

I just find it hard to believe that someone who doesn't have other significant issues would choose to sell themselves. And that's probably why I have a problem with legalizing prostitution in the first place.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:50 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
Quote:
Originally posted by JonnyQuest:
Two consenting adults engaging in...whatever. What's the fuss?
That's generally my view across the board. I would add to it "in private" -- once you bring your sexual activities into a public space, different rules need to apply, for the sake of the public. I also think we need to focus on the word "consenting". If it's 'have sex with this guy or get beaten by your pimp', that's not consent, IMO. And not all adults have the mental abilities to consent, and I think they need to be protected from sexual predators as well. But with those caveats -- in private, between truly consenting adults (two or more!) -- I don't see what the fuss is, really.

Thank you for catching my miss. I agree. Along with maybe Zeek's regulating. It works in Amsterdam. And think of the income tax revenue!

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

RugBug were it not illegal I would take you in a manly fashion...for $50.

EDIT:

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Originally posted by RugBug:
I just find it hard to believe that someone who doesn't have other significant issues would choose to sell themselves.

Hey!

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

RugBug were it not illegal I would take you in a manly fashion...for $50.

Ouch. I'm worth way more than that, buddy.

And BTW, wouldn't it mean more if you didn't have to pay?

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:59 AM

My qualm has always been on the side of human causes and consequence. I know it ain't true across the board, but you don't neccessarily see college educated, upper class women in any rhealm of prostitution. Like I said, there are exceptions, but I would imagine they are spaced fairly well.

Some people can't see a legal service or entertainment as being exploitive, but I can honestly say that is wrong. Look at any corporation in any industry. They looks for the weeknesses in their consumers AND their distributors. Works the same for a garden variety pimp as it does with the proprieter of a brothel. No one healthy aspires to be a prostitute, and not everyone that is a prostitute is crazy. But there are very defined issues with the women and man who are.

I might be basing alot of what I'm saying on emotion, but I've worked with girls who have sold themselves out of want and need. It leaves a conflict of interest when in your personal life a person like me has gone to places where the legal and illegal practice happens, searching for women who've disappeared from their families. There have been a few who have chosen to never return to their families. And professionally all I can do is facilitate the healing process and hope it takes.

In a way I hope no one has to see what can't be unseen. But it takes people witnessing those things to shock them into taking a stand. Moral right and ignorance don't win battles such as these. It's embittered fire and unwavering love that fights the good fight.

ADD: Why the hell do I bother with such rants? Just get fired up on certain subjects)

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
I disagree Kelkil. I don't think prostitution is balanced. (Even Kaylee asks if the boy-whores are for the womenfolk. What was up with that? She had to question if they would service women?)

Prostitution (and even porn) is focused on men.

But to defend the Kaylee line. First the "boy-whores" were a little young and feminine (excuse spelling please?) my first thought was they serviced men because of that.

Porn is more focused on men because men will watch anything having sex (yes some of us are pigs).

Most of the toys are made for you women. Where does that fall in here? Since porn has made an appearance.

The thing with prostitution is that women stand on the street and are seen more and there are some men that do too. Mostly they service men because men will pull up to someone and proposition them for sex. Women (for the most part) won't so they have call services that are more exclusive so they don't get caught as much as men.

of course there are 3 sides to every topic so I could be wrong but I honestly think that women are smarter when they look for this sort of thing and they get caught less often.

EDIT: As far as the men having to "get it up" there really isn't a problem with that and contrary to popular belief has not been for a long time. All these "Male Enhancement" "DRUGS" have been in sex shops for decades. It is just recently that drug companies realized that if they call it a medicine they could really make a killing. So now you hear about it on TV and get fliers in the mail and so forth.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:01 AM

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My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

RugBug were it not illegal I would take you in a manly fashion...for $50.

Ouch. I'm worth way more than that, buddy.

And BTW, wouldn't it mean more if you didn't have to pay?

Me pay? Ha! Perhaps you need to re-read what post I was responding to.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:01 AM

"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?"

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Supposedly that's from the blog of a professional dominatrix...but I tend to agree with her.

I hope this isn't her:

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/052007/05142007/0514staf1

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Prostitution (and even porn) is focused on men.

'Tis true.
But a) that's where the money is (for man-whores, too)

and 2) it's how men "operate". Not to open a whole bigger discussion let me state that NO means NO. And force is never right. But men are wired to "broadcast their seed". Women are programmed to be selective about their mates. This particular transaction revolves around money rather than the higher motivations.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by RugBug:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Originally posted by RugBug:
My biggest issue is that I don't think legalizing it would clear up the problems associated with it (drugs, violence, disease, last resort "career"). Nor do I believe that is okay to treat sex/women as a commodity, which is what legalizing prostitution would do. We already fight hard enough to not be seen as boobs and a vagina. With an official stamp of approval I could only imagine that fight getting harder. Like it or not, prostitution is a mainly male consumer based industry...maybe I'd feel better about it if it was more balanced.

RugBug were it not illegal I would take you in a manly fashion...for $50.

Ouch. I'm worth way more than that, buddy.

And BTW, wouldn't it mean more if you didn't have to pay?

Me pay? Ha! Perhaps you need to re-read what post I was responding to.

Hehehehehe...ooops. I did need to re-read. $50, really? Don't sell yourself short.

And after a second or third reading...still ouch.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Supposedly that's from the blog of a professional dominatrix...but I tend to agree with her.

I hope this isn't her:

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/052007/05142007/0514staf1

Nope, JQ, not her. Mistress Matisse is the name the other person gave to the blog. Was a hooker, moved on to domination with no sex acts involved. Anyway, blog sounded interested, but I'm an a PG-13 computer. The Imponderables ocassionally got to steamy for my computer back in the old days. heh.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:28 AM

RIVERISMYGODDESS

*completely erases his thoughts on the matter and sits on the couch, opening 2 cans of the Dew and leaving one in the shadows*

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:29 AM

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Hehehehehe...ooops. I did need to re-read. $50, really? Don't sell yourself short.

And after a second or third reading...still ouch.

How much is it supposed to cost? $50 seems like one heck of a bonus on top of an already enjoyable experience.

Seriously if it was legal guys would probably just hit the corner after work for free. None of that pesky buying drinks and talking involved? Where do we sign up? lol

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:31 AM

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I just find it hard to believe that someone who doesn't have other significant issues would choose to sell themselves.

Does that include Inara? Do you think she has significant issues? Do you have issues with her line of work in the Firefly 'verse?

*edit* Reading this back, that sounds like I'm mad at you or something. I'm not! I'm just asking :)

I'm curious because Inara's role harks back to the more traditional form of prostitution in the ancient world. Back then (as far as we can gather) most cultures saw sex as sacred, social and an important part of life - as well as being a way to continue the species and a really fun hobby.

Prostitution wasn't just giving a lonely guy a bit of comfort, it was an important role that involved being able to satisfy someone's deepest needs and heal a person in a way nothing else can. There's a reason why a lot of prostitutes in the ancient world were priestesses. They weren't damaged or desperate, they were the educated elite that were fulfilling a role that was seen as a necessary service that should be freely available.

The main issue with modern prostitution is that sex itself has been completely devalued in modern society. It's either seen as something dirty and wrong that should only be done to have kids, or it's all about the pleasure. Sex is so much more than that. It's an expression of perfect partnership - two people together, sharing an intense physical experience. It's an intimate form of communication, something that goes much further than words - you open yourself to another person and that person opens themselves to you. It breaks down barriers between people. Heck, there are still religions about that think that if two people are in the right frame of mind it can be a kind of worship, a deeply spiritual experience. And not just because God get mentioned a lot.

The problem is we've lost all of that. We've stopped thinking of sex as anything special. So it's all come down to satisfying a craving at a given point in time. It's like replacing the Catholic Mass with a trip to McDonalds.

I'm rambling. I'll stop now.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:37 AM

There's the part I couldn't think of. Thanks DTH. The thought it not just being an act for physical gratification. That seems to be the focus more than anything.

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:38 AM

I said something and it made sense? Heh! The meds must be working

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Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:46 AM

DTH: I liked the ramble. (NVG's too. Very interesting view point).

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
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Originally posted by RugBug:

I just find it hard to believe that someone who doesn't have other significant issues would choose to sell themselves.

Does that include Inara? Do you think she has significant issues? Do you have issues with her line of work in the Firefly 'verse?

Yep, I do have issues with Inara's line of work. I also have issues of what that characterization is saying to younger viewers. I about choked when a young imponderable poster made a statement about prostitution basically being a valid life style choice. I sat here reading that and thought "and that right there is the problem with Inara."

Although I'm not sure you can correlate the Inara and modern day prostitution. There's been what 500 years to change perceptions? The evolution in this case is VERY important.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
*edit* Reading this back, that sounds like I'm mad at you or something. I'm not! I'm just asking :)

No worries. Even if you were mad, I can handle it. Opinions can bring out the fire in folks.

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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
I'm curious because Inara's role harks back to the more traditional form of prostitution in the ancient world. Back then (as far as we can gather) most cultures saw sex as sacred, social and an important part of life - as well as being a way to continue the species and a really fun hobby.

The main issue with modern prostitution is that sex itself has been completely devalued in modern society. It's either seen as something dirty and wrong that should only be done to have kids, or it's all about the pleasure. Sex is so much more than that. It's an expression of perfect partnership - two people together, sharing an intense physical experience. It's an intimate form of communication, something that goes much further than words - you open yourself to another person and that person opens themselves to you. It breaks down barriers between people.

The problem is we've lost all of that. We've stopped thinking of sex as anything special. So it's all come down to satisfying a craving at a given point in time. It's like replacing the Catholic Mass with a trip to McDonalds.

I'm rambling. I'll stop now.

Oh, I agree (actually brought up Firefly in the other convo as far as the portrayal of Inara and say Nandi). I believe that sex should be special and thus shouldn't be for sale. IMO, it is NOT just a purely physical act (well, unless a couple decides that today's adventure is 'wild romp' sex and not 'deep emotional connection' sex...but IMO even wild romps should be between two people who desire a deep connection with each other).

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