Imponderables: Nothin' On But The Radio by nvghostrider

oooh but slinky is good...every woman should own a slinky dress that makes them feel hot! I say go for it. Though I'm surprised you aren't going for the whole dressmaker thing. I'd bet there are tons of good seamstresses and you gould get just what you wanted and in the color you wanted nice and cheap. Best place to find seamstresses...local fabric store. There are lots who don't mind letting you pick a pattern and the fabric and then doing thedress for you to fit perfectly..

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:52 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Zeek: You have listed one of the reasons I hate men. Y'all have it SOOOOOO easy and you mostly don't realize it.

I revel in it every day!

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:19 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Man, I cannot concentrate on work.

Thanks for the prayers guys. *Hugs* The news scared the crap out of my poor mother, out in Texas, and I think our neighborhood may be spared on the strength of her prayers alone, heh.

Pretty dress RugBug! I'm sure it'll look awesome on you. Promise to post pictures! I looove holiday party dresses. I've gone back to my roots making my formal dresses, after a couple of years of trying to find things that fit off the rack. Last year I made a red satin dress with a fitted top and a poofy skirt, with black tulle sticking out from under the skirt (like this http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M5001.htm?tab=evening_prom_bridal&pa
ge=2 but with straps), and I'm still trying to find excuses to wear it. This year I decided on black satin, based on this dress:

Mine will be a bit more fitted through the front of the skirt, with box pleats in back, and probably just wide straps instead of cap sleeves. I'm making a wrap to go with it too. And since I'm using patterns I already had, the grand total was $24 (not including labor, but I don't think I'll charge myself

). I've started on it already so I won't be too rushed (first party is Dec. 7th I think), and I find sewing so much more enjoyable than trying on dress after dress that doesn't fit. :P

And why is it if guys have it so easy, they make such a big deal out of what they do have to do for a formal event??

Hubby's lost so much weight the past month and a half that we're going to go suit shopping for him before the holiday parties. Should be an entertaining experience.

(Yay for dresses, distracting me from both work and the fires!)

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by RugBug:
Zeek: You have listed one of the reasons I hate men. Y'all have it SOOOOOO easy and you mostly don't realize it.

You hate us for that? I would have thought it would be the superior athleticism or intellect. But whatever sinks your boat.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:45 AM

RUGBUG

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:
Originally posted by RugBug:
Zeek: You have listed one of the reasons I hate men. Y'all have it SOOOOOO easy and you mostly don't realize it.

You hate us for that? I would have thought it would be the superior athleticism or intellect. But whatever sinks your boat.

No, no...I LOVE you all for those things.

msg, first party is Nov 10th...not far enough away to consider sewing something.
CK, get down with your mad skillz. I haven't sewn in awhile, and usually have patience enough to do it rarely. I've sewn mostly vintage type stuff, usually taking pieces from several different patterns to make what I want, but it's so labor intensive, I tend to stop sewing for years after.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
And why is it if guys have it so easy, they make such a big deal out of what they do have to do for a formal event?? Hubby's lost so much weight the past month and a half that we're going to go suit shopping for him before the holiday parties. Should be an entertaining experience.

Possibly because it costs way more than what it seems worth. Other than that I have no problem with getting formal clothes. It's fun how easy it is.

Walk in tell experty people what you need. They swirl around grabbing things off of shelves and get it all coordinated up. A few measurements and a card swipe and you're out the door. Then you get to look all 007 for whatever occasion is coming up. Nothing to complain about there except the bottom line.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:12 PM

I was looking through the Casual Male catalogue last night and realized that I gotta get my button ups from them only to have them taken in from the chest down. I had one cool black rayon short sleeve with a preacher type collar I'd get dudded up in from time to time. Seems I like plaling dress up but haven't had the chance to wear my suit since summer before last.

All this pretty and nowhere to show it off. Darn.

After finding size 16 Chuck Taylors, another casual Skechers low top boot, a longshoremans style jacket (peacoat?)that will actually fit my shoulders, and an awesome brown leather baseball jacket I can't help but wait for some of my side work to start payin' off.

And yes ladies, some of us do envy your ability to go to the highest degree to look utterly spectacular. Aside from the shave, nail/hair trim, and possibly some exfoliating we are stuck finding fitting clothes for fitting occasions while trying to impress with a little extra attitude. Not that y'all don't do that, but I know for me, as a guy, it is a rare thing I have to relearn every time I do it.

But getting gussied up sure is fun.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:49 AM

mornin' Imponderables.

I already did my gussyin' up for the year, evidence on the pic thread.

*hugs and chocolate for all*

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics Specialist - 76th IAB

Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don't hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid which could have easily been avoided had some parent - I don't care which one - but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.

People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:18 AM

Wow CK that'll be one heck of a dress:)So glad you're still ok and everything...HUGS and hang in there.

Oh I didn't mean for you to sew it Rugbug...find someone who will for a price. It's usually cheaper than buying a dress and it comes out just the way you wanted.

I totally envy those who can sew... I can needlepoint and such, but not real sewing.

NV- hmm and where are the pics of this?? Ok mister get busy with that camera we all want to see

Jimi you looked great! HUGS

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:12 AM

I second that NVG, we need some stylish BCMW pics. Maybe when I come out to Vegas in April we can get some together even.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics Specialist - 76th IAB

Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don't hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid which could have easily been avoided had some parent - I don't care which one - but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.

People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:45 AM

Ooho road trip! :)

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:36 AM

Oh hells to the yes. I can take pics of my brothers wedding pictures. Of course they are three years old and taken at the Bountiful Temple (North SLC).

So there is a discussion by both men and women over at the ZPAW site I post stuffs at titled "BOOBIES". Of course you can guess about what the discussion contains as we have had similar discussions here. Naturally someone posted this:

and I thought it to be a fairly accurate observation. Of course there are women who have no curves but oh well. I have no ass. Really. Not that I want a big ol' booty, but I kinda like myself the way I am. I just hope more folks can accept themselves and others for who they are.

As usual, I am rude sayin' a buncha stuff before telling everyone Good Morning.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:41 AM

HUGS NV...that's a great poster

Wow Jimi and NV in one room...women of Nevada beware

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:14 AM

RUGBUG

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
mornin' Imponderables.

I already did my gussyin' up for the year, evidence on the pic thread.

Oh yeah...I caught that one. 'Tis true that you clean up well.

msg, I knew you didn't mean I should sew the dress. :D But, I don't think I could find a pattern, material (which is usually $$$$) and a seamstress in time. So let's all keep our fingers crossed that not only is that yellow the exact right color, but that the dress is slightly forgiving and cut like it was made for me...because that would make me very happy.

As for curves...yep, I got my fair share. I also do more than my fair share of worrying over them. But I don't let that stop me from having the fun I want. I am what I am. Wait, that would be Popeye. Well, I'm me, take it or leave it.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:23 AM

Real women have curves, thank god :)

Ugh, need more sleep. i guess staying up till almost 1 am and getting up at 6 isn't exactly condusive to that though.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:32 AM

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Well, I'm me, take it or leave it.

I'll Take it, thank you very much. :D

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics Specialist - 76th IAB

Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don't hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid which could have easily been avoided had some parent - I don't care which one - but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.

People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:54 AM

Dang, beat me to the punch. Ah well.

WOO HOOOO!!!!!! I just found my Cypress Hill Live at the Fillmore in my box under a buncha crap. Time for some Insane In The Brain.

I was thinkin' about all the parts I like about a woman and realized how much all the curves and folds and such make for a grand person as a whole especially when holding that woman is loving and warm. Hugs are great. I like holding hands ALOT. And kissing, hmmmm kissing. But holding someone close, arms fully wrapped and holding on tightly, gentle strokes on the shoulders and back... Well, my day is shot. How 'bout all of you?

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:55 AM

Rugbug- I have my fingers crossed sweety and I'll bet you look seriously hot in that dress.

Yup early to bed tonight MrG...which means only one episode of Heroes...sigh

Jimi

Ok someone throw some water on NV!!! Cold cold water or he'll never get anything done.

and um I don't really have a favorite part on a woman, but I thank you for asking

and now I shall go explain singularities and quasars... ( covering for another teacher)

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:06 AM

Sure you do! the mind :D A woman with curves, and a great mind, and this G is in heaven...thank goodness I have one

I donno if we need a bucket for him, but dang that sounds nice for our early night tonight, MsG.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:26 AM

So I took a short nap while on lunch and was dreaming of spiders and people stealing stuff from me in a city I don't ever want to go back to.

Oh c'mon MSG, ya gotta have a favorite part of a woman.

Really though. I had Mindy draw in real close and bury her nose in my chest telling me how good I smell after a gentle growl.
Whoa. Good compliment. All I do is take a shower and put on deodorant. What is that smell? I know her taste a little more than her smell (unless she is wearing "her" perfume).

So what are the physical distinctions we associate with love/sex/significant other/prospects that we will persue?

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:48 AM

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So what are the physical distinctions we associate with love/sex/significant other/prospects that we will persue?

Legs and booty are at the top of the list longish hair preferably red, pretty face, proportionate breast. That'd be great. Of course not all need to be prefect but a boy can dream.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:01 PM

Sounds exactly like the KFC query last night. Fortunately the one stating their preferances knows all too well my preferances (it's all good but prefer legs and breast) so little blushing occurred.

Mmmm, chicken.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:48 PM

LOL Hey certain guys smell really good.... it's just an indescribable smell that makes you feel content and safe.

Favorite part of a woman...hmmm well I'd have to say the curve at the small of the back.

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:53 PM

I figured it was the KFC, residual kid smell, and the money in my shirt pocket.

Naw, I know folks have their own scents. Maybe mine was the comforting on for the moment.

Well I'm gone for the day folks. Thanks for helping to occupy my brain for the while. Seems it keeps me a bit on the side of sane to be around y'all. Goodnight.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:54 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Friend of mine claims he occassionally uses Liquid Wrench as cologne.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:07 PM

DANCINGNEKO

*waves to Veteran* Hi! Welcome to our imponderables :)! Liquid Wrench, huh?

As for scent, dunno...always figured it was a bit of male muskiness of my guy at the time. 'Course, I've been noticing that eye color tends to fascinate me...but then again, I'm used to dealing with mainly dark brown to light brown eyes so any other color is just so exotic and fascinating. (Former ESPN anchor Larry Beil has most incredibly blue eyes I've ever seen...

...And that was when he used to be on TV here every day in the '80's.)

'Course a nice, warm body to snuggle/cuddle into? Mmmm... (Yer evil NVG...I'm going to have to find a way to stop missing having my geek around.) *sigh* I'm going to need a cool shower tonight...And I'm going to make sure that your shower NVG is ice-cold.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:38 AM

Morning imponderables!

Ok here's one for you I overheard in the caffeteria this morning...and my jaw nearly hit the floor.

Guy was talking about his mom. She's had 13 of her own children. She has over 80 grandchildren. Oh yeah and she's only 65!!!

Yikes.

Sooo to ponder: what's the biggest you've heard of? Cos that tops any list I know and for her age? My god.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:22 AM

That's way more than I've ever heard of and I have one aunt and uncle with 7 kids who each all have at least 2 kids of their own now. Many have 3 and some have 4. Their family photos at christmas need to be taken from so far away that you can barely tell who's in it.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:59 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

Morning all. Fire update: it's moving east of us, so we're out of danger for now, but the winds have died down and so the smoke is just hanging around. It looks like a thick fog. I ran an errand last night and was hacking up a lung sitting in my car with the windows up and the AC on recycle. I think it would set off our smoke detector if we opened all our windows. They say the smoke will be around for weeks, because we're not going to have much wind, and the wind we do have will be coming from the west, from over the Pacific -- and you can see the huge smoke clouds over the Pacific from the past week from space. They're recommending no exercise outside for at least a month.

Anyhow. 80 grandchildren might be the most I've heard of, but I have 28 first cousins on my mother's side alone. With my 5 siblings, that makes 34 grandkids. My mom has 5 siblings, and each of them had 5 to 8 kids. About 10 of the grandkids have kids of their own now as well. We've never all been in the same place at the same time, and there are a couple I haven't seen at all since I was 7 years old. A few months ago I tried to name them all and couldn't remember someone's name. I called my mom and asked, and she said "Ephraim. Everyone always forgets Ephraim." Hehe. I also have 6 first cousins on my dad's side, and the potential for a lot more.

Of course MrG, you are living in Utah, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear of large families. Hell, half of my cousins live in Utah.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:06 AM

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Morning imponderables!

Ok here's one for you I overheard in the caffeteria this morning...and my jaw nearly hit the floor.

Guy was talking about his mom. She's had 13 of her own children. She has over 80 grandchildren. Oh yeah and she's only 65!!!

Wow! And I thought my family was a big clan!

Hello all! I bring whiskey to soothe the nerves of those trapped in smokey places or bored by work!

Even the littlest Joss chicks are absolutely kickass
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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:14 AM

Guten Morgen volks!

Again I must post:

just because... DAMN. That's a whole lotta kids.

Fine evening, no drink before bed, slept another six and a half hours. Yay for me.

Hey there CK and DTH. Glads to hear you're safe from the fire, sucks about the smoke though. And was that a bottle of Whiskey I saw?!?!?

'Neko, cool shower this morning did some good. Hope yours went well too.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:16 AM

BWAH HAH HAH! Ooohhh, love that poster!

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:19 AM

CK: LOL yeah. tho even for Utah that's the most I've heard of. I started to suspect your cousins must be here too when you mentioned Ephraim as a name. Only Mormons would use that name, that I know of :) I had two friends in high school named Ephraim and Hiram.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
And was that a bottle of Whiskey I saw?!?!?

'Twas indeed, my friend! Where the Irish go, whiskey follows

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:33 AM

And I'd definately follow you about, whiskey or not.

BTW I see Punisher in your sig. Who is the little one smashin' the bread basket?

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:34 AM

*glomps Neko*

*glomps the Hippie and has a bit of the whiskey she brought*

*snuggles MsG*

Favorite part of a woman. Hmmm. Legs are good, and right where her legs meet her back. Actually, that whole area. That, and above it, too.

There's that Mormon family in Utah (Duggars) with 17 kids (all with J names), when they all get married and start families that'll be huge.

~jimi
Lt. Alexander - Chief Medic / XO Alpha Co. / Logistics Specialist - 76th IAB

Listen, not a year goes by, not a year, that I don't hear about some escalator accident involving some bastard kid which could have easily been avoided had some parent - I don't care which one - but some parent conditioned him to fear and respect that escalator.

People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:39 AM

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Originally posted by RiverIsMyGoddess:
There's that Mormon family in Utah (Duggars) with 17 kids (all with J names), when they all get married and start families that'll be huge.

That weird habbit always bothered me. Family who lived behind us, 7 kids, all started with K.

Humm favorite part of a woman. I'd have to go with what RIMG said, but mostly hips, butt and thighs are my fav. Oh and tummy. :D I mean you know specific parts. But really it's the whole kit-and-kaboodle and most of all a good mind.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:49 AM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
And I'd definately follow you about, whiskey or not.

Awww, that's sweet! *hugs*

Quote:

BTW I see Punisher in your sig. Who is the little one smashin' the bread basket?

That, my friend, is Molly. Also known as the most awesome character to come out of Marvel comics in the last decade. The image is taken from an issue of 'Runaways' written by none other than our very own Joss Whedon. He's currently doing a six issue run for the comic. Before that, it was written by Brian K. Vaughan, who's writing the current run in 'Buffy' as it happens.

But seriously - Runaways. Get the trades. You'll love it.

*edit* Oh, here's the Punisher bit - from Runways #26

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:55 AM

I had been recommended Runaways and haven't gotten to it yet due to my recent boycott of the local fetish shop. Tired of getting raped on paint and air. Seems I may have hit up a shop or two in Reno tomorrow. Takin' John to purchase his very own AR 15 for the three gun matches we'll be shooting in next year.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
I had been recommended Runaways and haven't gotten to it yet due to my recent boycott of the local fetish shop. Tired of getting raped on paint and air.

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...uh ...what?

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:03 AM

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I had been recommended Runaways and haven't gotten to it yet due to my recent boycott of the local fetish shop.

Reminds me of me. I had a comic shop I loved to go to, had a hold there for years. But as time went by I started to read less titles, made my hold smaller and smaller. Then the staff started putting in comics they thought I would like, but were also adding them to my hold list without my requesting it. So I'd get my stack, tell them "I didn't ask for these" they'd pull out the list say it's on the list.. needless to say I finaly got fed up, closed out and have refused to go back since. I've only gone there once in in about the last 15 years.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:11 AM

Next Dimension COmics and Card is a local shop that has operated in some form since 1990. It started in the 88Cent video store. I would walk from school to the 88cent, rent movies, read and buy a book or two, walk a mile or so to Frontier liquor (a sporting goods store on the other side of town) to browse guns and pick up ammo for the weekend, and hitch a ride or have dad pick me up every so often to get home. Sometimes I'd leave my mountain bike at a friends and ride it home from town. Mostly I did this in Jr High and Freshman year. TImes changed so quickly. Used to be you could drive to school with your bird/duck gun in the gun rack since early morning and dusk are prime hunting times. The most questioning you got was what loads you were using and where you were hunting. Of course no one gives up their prime hunting spots. Can't do that no more. Sucks.

Side tracked. Sorry. So I've done business with Chuck (owner) for a very long time. Lately he's been shorting us on air and selling crappy products for the Paintball field. Sucks because it is the only place in town with comics, awesome toys, tons of Anime for rent, and all sorts of games.

I can understand the confusion with my mention of fetish, rape, paint, and air.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:19 AM

One on it's own would have been okay, but all of them together + long day at work = one confuzzled hippie. Sorry!

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:38 AM

CALIFORNIAKAYLEE

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Originally posted by MisterG:
CK: LOL yeah. tho even for Utah that's the most I've heard of. I started to suspect your cousins must be here too when you mentioned Ephraim as a name. Only Mormons would use that name, that I know of :) I had two friends in high school named Ephraim and Hiram.

Yeah, my mom's side of the family is all Mormon. My family is too, I'm kind of the black sheep.

No Hirams in the family though. Other than Ephraim, I think our weirdest is Dalan, after Dalan H. Oaks.

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That weird habbit always bothered me. Family who lived behind us, 7 kids, all started with K.

Hey, I'm the only one in my family without a J name for either first or middle name. My family says that's why I had to go out and find a guy to marry whose name starts with a J.

And my mom and all her siblings have J first names, and A middle names. Three of the six of us have J first names, and that's bad enough.

And lol at NVG! Making me miss the comic and game shop in Austin, all the ones out here suck.

~CK

You can't take the sky from me...

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:46 AM

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One on it's own would have been okay, but all of them together + long day at work = one confuzzled hippie. Sorry!

Seems we won't be needing anymore whiskey now do we.

Seems you really know how to have a good time despite the tired hazyness.

ADD: Ah, that's the one. Seems I couldn't find the right sig for a moment.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:00 AM

HUGS Ck I am so glad you're ok and everything. Try to stay inside:)

NV- hmm maybe you could all just get together and go in and talk to him..HUGS

HUGS DTH

You can't rush science, Gibbs! You can yell at it and scream at it, but you can't rush it. "- Abby Sciuto

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:13 AM

I don't know what to say. He knows that he has a corner on the market here in town. I ain't sayin' he's a bad guy. Just that I don't really want to do business with him for a while.

Between all of you and little old me, I'm crushing hard on my work counterpart right now. Happens occasionally but she is especially attractive and clingy today.

Evil evil man. Go away from here at once!

Didn't work. Did I just type that? Whoops. At least I didn't say it, I think.

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:13 PM

GORRAMGROUPIE

Clingy as in clothes or clingy as in hangin off you? Either way, enjoy the treat!

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Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:18 PM