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Costumes - Firefly vs. Serenity

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 4:53 PM

ALASKAMIKE


Is there a reason why costumes have to be tinkered with between TV and movies? They did it in all of the Star Trek movies, but I thought that was just to highlight the passing of time between the TV show and the movies.

Why did they have to change Mal's suspenders and Wash's vest? I thought their costumes in Serenity looked more "gimmicky" than in Firefly. Not to obsesss over it all, just curious...


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Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:14 PM

JONUS


I liked the costumes in Serenity better. Wash's suit was awesome (gotta get me one of those) and I liked Mal's suspenders. But Book looked like he aged 10 years since Firefly.

Mal would kick Han Solo's ass.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:35 PM

MER


Book looks older b/c of the lighting. It's all natural light, so you can see how much his face indents in certain parts b/c of his age.

On the show it's very flat studio color (usually yellow or a cool light blue).

But that's an opinion, so I might not be right.

I would suspect a differnt fashion designer, but it probably mentioned a specific reason in the Visual Companion.

In some ways, I kind of like the cotume for the show better, but it all counts on the character. Like Mal and Wash's outfits looked better in the film unlike the others where I liked the firefly costumes more or just about the same.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:48 PM

FOLLOWMAL




I liked Mal's costumes BETTER in Firefly than in Serenity. But, that being said, I still loved all the looks in Serenity. Particularly Zoe's, she looked sharp. I liked Wash's uniform look better too.





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Sunday, February 5, 2006 5:48 PM

MILFORD


Sometimes clothes and fabrics just look different on film. TV doesn't allow for a lot of texture and whatnot, so they don't have to be too concerned about it. However, when you transfer those things to a high-texture environment like film it doesn't always transfer well. Things either look too cheap, too rough, or just plain crappy. So in the case of FF/S constumes, you'll notice that the fabrics, not just the clothes, are different.

That being said, I do wish they had kept the FF suspenders for Mal. I wasn't too keen on the fancy futuristic ones from Serenity.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:00 PM

JUGGERNAUT


I wasn't a big fan of the "Space Suspenders" Mal wore in Serenity -- they seemed to be way too "Look at me -- I'm from the future, because they don't have suspenders like that nowadays..."

But the more I think about it, the more I get it. Joss is always saying (in the visual companion and other places) that nothing should "just be one thing." You shouldn't hear the music and have it be "just western, techno or new age." You shouldn't look at Inara and think her style is that of a geisha, and you shouldn't look at Mal and think he's straight out of a western.

So, in that sense, I guess it makes sense. The suspenders are a reminder that, yes, high technology does exist.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 6:22 PM

NCBROWNCOAT


I didn't like the suspenders in Serenity either and I missed the Hawaiian shirts on Wash. It was a central part of his character.

I also thought Mal looked quite a bit more angular in the face in Serenity It could have been the lighting (see the Visual Companion) or Joss had Nathan actually lose weight. In the EW article on Nathan in September (I just found it online and read it) Nahtan mentions that he gained 20 pounds after Firefly was cancelled but he looked even thinner in Serenity than in Firefly.

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Sunday, February 5, 2006 8:14 PM

JETGIRL23


Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
I also thought Mal looked quite a bit more angular in the face in Serenity It could have been the lighting (see the Visual Companion) or Joss had Nathan actually lose weight. In the EW article on Nathan in September (I just found it online and read it) Nahtan mentions that he gained 20 pounds after Firefly was cancelled but he looked even thinner in Serenity than in Firefly.



Well...I have to assume that knowing he was going to do the BDM...Nathan got in spectacular shape before filming...back to my constant notice of how much better shape he was in from the nude scene in Trash to the topless scene in the BDM. Notice the hairless chest...the tan...the ....oh..sorry.... Also...given that he had to work 17 hour days on the BDM for a couple of months...he probably lost even more weight and probably was given a trainer in the film budget.

All the actors looked in better shape for the movie..I think Joss mentions in the commentary..how very pretty they all got for it.

But it did bother me (slightly)...the obviousness of having a different hair and make up person..especially on Kaylee and Inara...( Not on Nathan though...thank god someone finally gave him a good haircut for the movie) I must say, I liked the "lowend" vibe of the TV look better on the girls...I did not liked how much they toned down Inaras very colorful make up from the show. (Except in the very last scene with Mal and Inara..which another post pointed out made her look very sweet..I concure)

I chalk it up to the difference in TV and Film production..TV is less money...less time...etc...and for film...you get a "higher end"...more money..more time...personell with a bit of an attitude...Doesnt always translate to better but...



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Monday, February 6, 2006 3:16 AM

NUCLEARDAY


Yeah, Mal's suspenders were bothering me for a bit. After the third or fourth time I'd seen it, though, I sort of got used to it and started to understand where they were coming from. They are definately "space suspenders", so I kind of like it in that it serves to mix up the genres a bit. I mean, how many sci-fi heroes flaunt suspenders these days? Or ever?

Really, really, really missed Wash's hawaiian shirts, though. Sure, his jumpsuit was cool, and I sorta dug that vest thing. But, come on... it's Wash, people. How hard would it be to throw a shirt on over that?

One thing that sorta bugs me, though, is Simon's costumes. I rather liked his "upper-class dandy" outfits from the show. In the BDM, though, he's more of "guy in a snazzy sweater."

Seems they definately lost some of their "Western" feel though, for the movie. Alot more Bladerunner than western alot of times. No one else's costumes really threw me too much, though. And at least they stayed fairly loyal to what we were used to seeing, just with a few modifications.

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Monday, February 6, 2006 4:06 AM

MILFORD


The only costuming change I really had a problem with was Wash's little leathery lookin harness he wore at the beginning. I didn't mind the look, but it was obvious that it served absolutely no purpose. Though I wasn't a big fan of the space suspenders, they did do the job of keeping Mal's pants up. However, when I watched Serenity AGAIN the other night, I couldn't figure out what in the world that harness would do. There was no function in it. It was simply a cheesy sci-fi uniform thinger that looks cool but serves no purpose. Usually Joss is better than that, but nobody's perfect.

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Monday, February 6, 2006 6:49 AM

AGENTROUKA


Quote:

Originally posted by Jetgirl23:
But it did bother me (slightly)...the obviousness of having a different hair and make up person..especially on Kaylee and Inara...( Not on Nathan though...thank god someone finally gave him a good haircut for the movie) I must say, I liked the "lowend" vibe of the TV look better on the girls...I did not liked how much they toned down Inaras very colorful make up from the show. (Except in the very last scene with Mal and Inara..which another post pointed out made her look very sweet..I concure)



I agree with you there.

Kaylee's change of look I could more easily understand. Times are hard, she gets skinny, they all take less care with their appearance, so she's a tad dirtier, her hair has grown, etc.

But Inara's look sometimes really bothered me, it was so different. She had a tan in the movie and trying contrast her makeup more would have been a great choice.

Not to mention the hair. You'd suppose that on a planet, in a Companion Training House, she'd have an easier time keeping her hair shiny and orderly than on a spaceship.

What were they THINKING with the outfit during her wave to Mal? It looks horrible!


The only time they really captured Inara's look from the series was during her last scene.

It's the part in her hair. It does something with her face that disappears when her hair is pulled all the way back like it is most of the movie.


Still, the wave aside, she's still very very beautiful. *g* Just not as pretty and Companion-y as in the series.

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Monday, February 6, 2006 9:21 AM

JETGIRL23


Quote:

Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jetgirl23:
But it did bother me (slightly)...the obviousness of having a different hair and make up person..especially on Kaylee and Inara...( Not on Nathan though...thank god someone finally gave him a good haircut for the movie) I must say, I liked the "lowend" vibe of the TV look better on the girls...I did not liked how much they toned down Inaras very colorful make up from the show. (Except in the very last scene with Mal and Inara..which another post pointed out made her look very sweet..I concure)



I agree with you there.

Kaylee's change of look I could more easily understand. Times are hard, she gets skinny, they all take less care with their appearance, so she's a tad dirtier, her hair has grown, etc.

But Inara's look sometimes really bothered me, it was so different. She had a tan in the movie and trying contrast her makeup more would have been a great choice.

Not to mention the hair. You'd suppose that on a planet, in a Companion Training House, she'd have an easier time keeping her hair shiny and orderly than on a spaceship.

What were they THINKING with the outfit during her wave to Mal? It looks horrible!


The only time they really captured Inara's look from the series was during her last scene.

It's the part in her hair. It does something with her face that disappears when her hair is pulled all the way back like it is most of the movie.


Still, the wave aside, she's still very very beautiful. *g* Just not as pretty and Companion-y as in the series.



Absolutly! everytime I watch the series I am loving Inara's make up! Yes its totally overdone but she looks amazing with all the oranges and golds and all the redlips. (just like her shuttle) With Morenas coloring...she can really pull off the extensive make up. It was missing in the movie for me....and I found Kaylees hair totally distracting...all crunchy/curly and greasy...(Rivers too) the hair person went a little 2005...should have just blown it out and left it at that. (Dont they know how important these things are in the scheme of life!...well ours anyway...)

Now I gotta go back and look at Inaras outfit in the wave! I cant remember (No..Im not just watching again to see my captain shirtless!)

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Monday, February 6, 2006 7:18 PM

D3RBY


The Propstore just posted a full reaver costume and he was wearing the space suspenders as well. I guess they were in style at the time of the BDM.

I never knew Mal was such a slave to fashion.

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Monday, February 6, 2006 7:57 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


Quote:

Originally posted by nuclearday:
Really, really, really missed Wash's hawaiian shirts, though.



I know Wash's Hawaiian shirts weren't very prominent, but they were still present. (Well, at least one was.)

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:09 AM

MWOOGE


Another reason for changing things is that the old stuff will have disappeared. They'd have discarded a lot of stuff when they shut down the series, rather than pay to store it. I also expect much of it was taken away by the cast and crew.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:13 AM

NBZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
I didn't like the suspenders in Serenity either and I missed the Hawaiian shirts on Wash. It was a central part of his character.



Wash did not always wear hawaiian shirts in the series. I have not counted, but I would think it was actually a minority of the time that he did.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:10 PM

BBDV


Strangely most of the props and costume from Firefly are in the hands of a very small number of collectors.There are perhaps three collectors who have the majority of all the great stuff.A lot of stuff from Serenity is available but Firefly pieces and costumes are much harder to come by and command a much higher price.

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:04 PM

TUJIAOZUO


Things the Rabbit (moi) missed

Simon's vests (WTF was that shiny blue thing he had on for a couple of scenes? VESTS. It's trademark Dr. Tam. Can't go wrong.)

Wash's Hawaiian Shirts (though I did like his flightsuit)

Mal's canvas suspenders. (rubber ones just ain't Mal)

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:09 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Like some have stated here already, I did not like the way Inara looked in the movie. She looked very different in the shot of her seeing the Operative walking towards her. I didn't even realize it was her the first time I saw it. I hated her hairdo throughout the movie, and her face looked un-familiar to me compared to the series. The only time she "looked good" to me was her wave to Mal...she looked young & natural.

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