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Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:04 PM

LEXAN


Do you think cancelling Firefly was a good idea? Was 'Heart of Gold' your favourite episode? Do you think River is perfectly sane? Did you find the character of Kaylee to be kinda sucky? Any other unpopular Firefly opinions?

Then please list them here.

Firstly, the last two opinions I stated up there were two relating to mine. River, although not perfectly sane, actually doesn't say anything that isn't pure truth. Moreso than anyone else on the show. She only says that which is relevant to what is going on or what is about to happen by most can't interpret what she is saying because they're just not smart enough. Even the actors on the show don't understand it... Most of dialogue is brilliant and taken to another level by Summer Glau's excellent acting ability...

And then there's probably the opinion that is so unpopular that it is likely I'm the only person on the board, or the internet who has it. I've always found Kaylee to be exceptionally annoying, probably the worst regular cast member of any of Joss' shows... I was honestly disappointed she didn't die in the movie...

Okay... They're the main ones. I'll probably be able to think of more later...

EDIT: Not sure how all the threads came up... Can they be removed?

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:14 PM

LEADB


First, I'm having a -really- hard time deciding which thread to post this in....

No, I have no unpopular firefly opinions.

I have many unpopular opinions, but they tend toward religion and politics ;-)

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:26 PM

SAMEERTIA


Yes.
I have one very unpopular opinion.
I really think that at some point during the show, Wash & Simon should have kissed.

I'm sure if we'd gotten three or four more seasons, they would have gotten around to it, alas it was not meant to be.

Yes.
That's a joke.
No. Seriously. I am joking.

Is there a reason why this thread was started five times?

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:55 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


YesIthinkKayleeisocasionallyirritatingandwhinyandkindofahornyschoolgirltypewhowouldgoafteranymanprettyandintriguingenough
andthatJewelhadwaymoreoffdaysthantherestofthecastwhichmadethewhinyworseandthecharacterlessbelievable


Don't hurt me



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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:04 PM

ROMANCEGURU


Depends where you post. But my unpopular opinion here would be that I’m a firm believer that Jayne and River would make one hot/fun/crazy/sexy/deadly couple.

I like to think everyone’s entitled to his or her opinion with out getting flamed even if it isn’t among the general consensus.

Oh, and I think Kaylee's a little overrated, but I wouldn't wish death on any of the characters.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:06 PM

STARRBABY


I don't know how "unpopular" this opinion is, but I know not everyone agrees with me. I think one of the main reasons Jayne dislikes Simon is because he fancies Kaylee.

I also *don't* want Mal and Inara to get together . . .ever. The tension between them is too awsome to break. I think if the series continued, and Mal and Inara got thier acts together, that would have been the equivalant of jumping the shark. It would have been down hill ever since.

Oh, and another one . . .I think it would have been a horrible idea for Zoe and Wash to have kids. Not that they wouldn't have made great parents - I just don't think a smuggling ship is the best place for young'uns. Too many stray bullets, reavers, violent feds, etc.

Okay, I'll hush up now.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:10 PM

LEXAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Romanceguru:
Oh, and I think Kaylee's a little overrated, but I wouldn't wish death on any of the characters.



Fair enough...

I didn't really wish death upon her, but I knew someone was bound to die and I would have preferred that person, or one of those people, to have been her...

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:20 PM

CAUSAL


My unpopular Firefly opinions:

Jayne is a bad guy. Lovable, yes. Funny, yes. Great character, yes. But by the end of the second season, he would have turned on them. He wears hats people!

And the really unpopular opinion: The Message is the last episode of the series. Numbered last, filmed last, last in series continuity, but not aired last, and hence not the final note that Joss selected for Firefly's swan song. But in the world of the 'verse, last. So I watch it last, after OiS. I like it better that way, because it ends on a such a downer (also because it was supposed to come after OiS! ).

Now, where did I put that flame-retardant jumpsuit...

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:25 PM

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I have one.

The BDM is the textbook definition of "shitty movie".

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:27 PM

REGINAROADIE


I'm moving this post from the hijacked kitty thread to the real thread. Thanks for the heads up, Starrbaby. How far along are you now?

The one big unpopular opinion I have about the show also involves River, but it's about the character in general.

Everyone here loves River so much. And Joss revolved the movie a lot around her and it's fit into his theme of ass kicking girls and all that. But personally, I didn't find her to be that interesting of a character. If anything, she's really boring. All she does is just stand in a corner, babble inconsistently and act erratic. She doesn't do ANYTHING. And to make matters worse, everyone makes a big deal out of her. The Alliance wants her, Simon sacrifices everything in his life for her, and the crew by the movie is ready to topple an entire government for her. Everyone's making decisions for her, which character-wise is just wrong. A character who makes no decisions for herself and is just moved around by others is a boring character. That's why I loved it when she shot Niska's men down in "War Stories", or toyed with Early in "Objects in Space" and retrieved Simon's medkit and slaughtered the Reavers in SERENITY. It's the only time in the entire franchise that SHE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING OF HER OWN VOLITION.

And yet, everyone is "I love River. She kicks ass." To tell you the truth, I actually like Summer more in THE 4400, because she's an assertive character, and actually speaks in coherent sentences. When she makes up her own damn mind and speaks in coherent sentences in the sequel, THEN I'll give her more credit.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:31 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by Causal:
My unpopular Firefly opinions:

Jayne is a bad guy. Lovable, yes. Funny, yes. Great character, yes. But by the end of the second season, he would have turned on them. He wears hats people!

And the really unpopular opinion: The Message is the last episode of the series. Numbered last, filmed last, last in series continuity, but not aired last, and hence not the final note that Joss selected for Firefly's swan song. But in the world of the 'verse, last. So I watch it last, after OiS. I like it better that way, because it ends on a such a downer (also because it was supposed to come after Ois! ).


I agree with you, actually.

Trash was also supposed to come after Objects in Space. I just found that out a little while ago. I think it's in the Volume Two Official Companion interview.


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Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:04 PM

FOLLOWMAL



Ok, I don't have any unpopular opinions, I'm too afraid of conflict.

But, I'm intrigued about watching the eps in this order to see what I think about this idea now.

Hmmmm, different maybe is good.....

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:28 PM

REDHEAD


Oooh everyone is so brave! Do you all feel better for getting that off your chests? (Strokes chin thoughtfully)

Seriously though, I couldn't stand the River and the Reaver scene in Serenity. She's drug backwards through the doorway by her feet. I'm a black belt and with that many (20 something?) Reavers there is no way she gets up. AND then the Damn door opens while she is standing there (looking very cool, I'll give you that). AND who the heck opened the door? It's only supposed to open from the outside and River's hands are full. What she does Telekinesis, too?

My vote is River should have died! And don't get me wrong, I think Summer is an awesome actress and I loved the fragile girl coming to life in the series but I loved the series BECAUSE it was about people. I didn't want Super girl.

There I have Jayne to protect me (or at least one of the Ninja Turtles) so no one can flame me too bad!




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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:10 PM

CAILIEG


My unpopular firefly opinion is about the BDM, I dislike the change to Simon Tam, he is a wuss, he never shot anyone, flinches in a fight and suddenly hes a one man Rambo assault team to break his sister out of a place we were told she was "carefully smuggled out of".


Didn't like the intro to the BDM because of this. Its so NOT Simon.

I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.


On the Kaylee thing I love Kaylee, love River and I am of the mindset River had a leaky brainpan, 'taint nothin in the Verse that can change that. (these are both not my own unpopular opinions but replies to previous unpopular opinions, apprently that was not crystal clear)

Oh and Jayne IS a bad guy, but he's a bad guy loyal to Mal and only to Mal. He betrayed Mal once and learned the hard way, I doubt he would do it again. though I 'spose he'd have to to keep the tensions up.




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edited- to clarify that my statement about River's mind is not an unpopular opinion but a response to someone else's unpopular opinion.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:13 PM

JOLLY


Quote:

Seriously though, I couldn't stand the River and the Reaver scene in Serenity. She's drug backwards through the doorway by her feet. I'm a black belt and with that many (20 something?) Reavers there is no way she gets up. AND then the Damn door opens while she is standing there (looking very cool, I'll give you that). AND who the heck opened the door? It's only supposed to open from the outside and River's hands are full. What she does Telekinesis, too?

My vote is River should have died! And don't get me wrong, I think Summer is an awesome actress and I loved the fragile girl coming to life in the series but I loved the series BECAUSE it was about people. I didn't want Super girl.



Totally agree with this one...

I also found The Message to be an incredibly weak episode. It's the one episode I've never been able to watch twice.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cailieg:
I dislike the change to Simon Tam....

I too disliked the River battle scene....



2 very good points. 2 of the many many many flaws that are a disgrace to the best TV show ever made.

I'm thinking that next year's Get Smart movie will do the TV show much more justice than the BDM did to Firefly, based just off the fact that it's starring Steve Carell.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:43 PM

REGINAROADIE


Actually, the change in Simon from the series to the BDM was one of the things I LOVED in the movie. Mainly because Simon was the one character I identified with the most in the series. I saw myself in him. And so when you see yourself become a punching bag, it's a bit disheartening.

So seeing him be more assertive and actually push back when he's pushed was a great turn, IMHO. Simon doesn't get enough credit, I feel.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:50 PM

LEXAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Cailieg:


I too disliked the River battle scene but for different reasons after the initial attack. I too study martial arts and have for a long time and no way 20+ people you'd get out of that unless, you are Super Girl in a 'verse that don't have super heroes.

On the Kaylee thing I love Kaylee, love River and I am of the mindset River had a leaky brainpan, 'taint nothin in the Verse that can change that.



River pretty much is the 'Super Girl' of the 'verse, in which it is not clarified as to whether super heroes reside or not. But the whole point of that scene is that it is totally unrealistic and that River is supposed to be an exceptional fighter. River is sort of the exception in the 'verse, in that she doesn't seem to belong, and this is what makes her vital to the show.

The second comment isn't an unpopular opinion and I find that very annoying. It's probably what I feel most strongly on the show. River doesn't have a 'leaky brainpan' as such, but she does have a chaotic mind. None of the information of which River has ever conceived is not in her mind, and she knows that. Her 'lack of coherence' stems more from lack of conventionality than insanity. To me, this is possibly the biggest misconception of Firefly. Yeah, there ain't nothin in the verse that can change River's leaky brainban because simply it doesn't exist.

ReginaRoadie- Your views on River are so different to mine that they had no effect on me any way, so I decided not to argue...

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:57 PM

CAILIEG


Yes we all know that the sun goes down and chaoses come again, melting, leaking who am I. I am sorry but I have to call that the babbling of a traumatized person with a, to quote Dr Mattius "fractured reality matrix", or someone who is slightly mental through damage to the brain and severe trauma.


Please don't make it a personal attack directed at me, you misread the intention of my statement. I was replying to someone who shared your unpopular opinion.

I was not stating an unpopular one of my own in that instance.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:00 PM

LEXAN


I was talking about the opinion in general. I wasn't really directing it at you in any way, it didn't really matter that you weren't the first person to state it in the thread.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:29 PM

PSYCHOTIC


Is Heart of Gold really that unpopular? Mal/Inara is my favorite ship in the series and seeing the tension between them is awesome. There's so much that they say to each other without saying words.

And you gotta love the baby dummy that Rance carried. Priceless!

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Friday, June 22, 2007 12:37 AM

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Yeah.... Mal/Inara are like "Moonlighting" in space.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 12:54 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


My unpopular opinion is that I suspect Mal was in love with Zoe.... But given the shows cancellation it never developed...

*Shrugs* Who knows.....

I like to think it wouldn't have come to that, but given Joss' history with characters interacting over a long time, chances are it would have moved to that.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 1:52 AM

LEXAN


Quote:

Originally posted by psychotic:
Is Heart of Gold really that unpopular? Mal/Inara is my favorite ship in the series and seeing the tension between them is awesome. There's so much that they say to each other without saying words.

And you gotta love the baby dummy that Rance carried. Priceless!



No, it's not that unpopular, but it is, in my exerience and according to the episode reviews here, the least liked and lowest rating Firefly episode. Firefly has pretty much no bad episodes, just episodes some people think are inferior.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 2:37 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


I love Heart of Gold.
I kind of love it for maybe unpopular reasons, though.
Actually, another unpopular opinion I might have is that Inara bugs the hell out of me. I never bought the chemistry between Mal and Inara, for one thing, but even if I did I don't like the way they interact. They both act like spineless, brainless juvenilles in the context of their 'relationship', even more so than Simon and Kaylee, who are younger than them! It's irritating as hell, really. And I think the way their relationship would have played out over five or seven years would have been equally irritating. They would have eventually stopped dancing around, said "oh yeah, we really do have something" been completely blissed out for about a week, and then it would all fall apart because Mal would get pissy about Inara's job again, and it would get even more stupid. She would probably leave again, Mal would get all cranky at everyone and act like a sulky, angry teenager, and it all would have been just ridiculous.
Neither of them are teenagers!
But they both act like it in relation to each other, and sometimes that spills over and affects other people!
It's annoying!
I understand that some people find teen angst to be dramatic and entertaining, but I'm not one of them, esspecially when the teen angst is coming from a 20-something and a 30-something. Seriously.


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Friday, June 22, 2007 3:16 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Everyone here loves River so much. And Joss revolved the movie a lot around her and it's fit into his theme of ass kicking girls and all that. But personally, I didn't find her to be that interesting of a character. If anything, she's really boring. All she does is just stand in a corner, babble inconsistently and act erratic. She doesn't do ANYTHING. And to make matters worse, everyone makes a big deal out of her. The Alliance wants her, Simon sacrifices everything in his life for her, and the crew by the movie is ready to topple an entire government for her. Everyone's making decisions for her, which character-wise is just wrong. A character who makes no decisions for herself and is just moved around by others is a boring character. That's why I loved it when she shot Niska's men down in "War Stories", or toyed with Early in "Objects in Space" and retrieved Simon's medkit and slaughtered the Reavers in SERENITY. It's the only time in the entire franchise that SHE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING OF HER OWN VOLITION.

I agree but I didn’t even like her reaver attacking in Serenity. It was just stupid. A 90 lb girl can’t deliver that kind of energy; I don’t care how kungfu she is. It turned the show from a matter-of-fact futuristic space opera into another supernatural superheroine show. Now it’s not that I don’t like the supernatural superheroine shows, but it’s not Firefly, and I think it was a little cheap to introduce that.



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Friday, June 22, 2007 3:22 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I love Heart of Gold.
I kind of love it for maybe unpopular reasons, though.
Actually, another unpopular opinion I might have is that Inara bugs the hell out of me. I never bought the chemistry between Mal and Inara, for one thing, but even if I did I don't like the way they interact. They both act like spineless, brainless juvenilles in the context of their 'relationship', even more so than Simon and Kaylee, who are younger than them! It's irritating as hell, really. And I think the way their relationship would have played out over five or seven years would have been equally irritating. They would have eventually stopped dancing around, said "oh yeah, we really do have something" been completely blissed out for about a week, and then it would all fall apart because Mal would get pissy about Inara's job again, and it would get even more stupid. She would probably leave again, Mal would get all cranky at everyone and act like a sulky, angry teenager, and it all would have been just ridiculous.
Neither of them are teenagers!
But they both act like it in relation to each other, and sometimes that spills over and affects other people!
It's annoying!
I understand that some people find teen angst to be dramatic and entertaining, but I'm not one of them, esspecially when the teen angst is coming from a 20-something and a 30-something. Seriously.
/B]



It's interesting how teens are singled out for their immaturity over relationships. Yet the most pathetic breakups I've witnessed have been from friends in their 30s, 40s plus. Anyway regardless I think you're right. I too could not have taken watching another relationship build-up only to see it crumble away again...



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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:12 AM

STARRBABY


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
How far along are you now?




I've got about 8 more weeks. You'd think I would learn not to be in my last trimester durring the summer.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:22 AM

PHOENIXROSE

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Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
It's interesting how teens are singled out for their immaturity over relationships...


Sorry. Wasn't that long ago that I was one myself, and that pussyfooting around, stubborn, terrified approach to relationships was a major theme. I got sick of it and just stopped doing it and was all the better for it in a lot of ways. So I kind of look at that and go "That's how I related to other teenagers when I was a teenager and it was pathetic!" My own personal bias. (still might not have had the most mature break-up ever, but I've always found losing something I've had a lot harder than losing a potential, so it's just more... Well, anyway. Breaking up is hard. I hope if it happens again in middle age I won't be pathetic about it, but... I'll stop talking about myself now.) Also, adults are supposed to be more adult, whereas teenagers are kind of expected to go through a stupid phase. Some people never get out of that phase, but it's considered to be very immature. Mal and Inara can show a great deal of maturity... when they aren't dealing with each other. So I guess that's what annoys me.


*edit* Oh! Just thought of another one I have. I don't think Simon and Kaylee are soulmates who would have fallen madly in love, gotten married, and stayed together (until one of them died). In fact, I would have felt absolutely sick if it went that way. At this point it would almost feel like trying to replace the lovely married couple we had in Wash and Zoe, but even without the whole death thing, it would have felt wrong, because Kaylee is kind of overly sensitive and Simon often puts his foot in his mouth, and I just don't think it would have gone smooth. And I don't think Joss and Co. would have passed up the dramatic possibilities of the impending impolsion. Kaylee is the baby of the ship, the little sister, the senior member of the crew, and the indispensible mechanic. Simon is an incredible medic and it would be foolish to kick him off the crew were there conflict, even if he hasn't been there as long. I think he would face a lot of glares and drama, even if it were Kaylee who ended it, and from a storytelling perspective that's just far more interesting than domestic bliss, marriage and babies. Also, when it comes to those two, I think it's more realistic. I remember having quite the argument about it not that long ago.


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Friday, June 22, 2007 6:53 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


One of the opinions I have guardedly mentioned in the past is quite possibly one of the most unpopular a Browncoat could ever hold.

I think that FOX thought they were doing the right thing by scrambling the episode order.

Wait, no flaming please, hear me out. I am not saying that I think they were doing the right thing, but that they thought they were doing the right thing. First, they wanted a one-hour pilot so they could premiere Firefly and John Doe on the same night. FOX still only programs two hours in prime time, so if they had run "Serenity" the pilot, they would have had to delay the premiere of John Doe a week. Running "Serenity" as a two-parter would have made the most sense to us Browncoats, but at that time there weren't any Browncoats, and FOX felt the first half of "Serenity" was too slow, so they commissioned another pilot with more action.

When the ratings for "The Train Job" and "Bushwhacked" were not what they had hoped, they moved "Our Mrs. Reynolds" up to the third spot because they felt the appearance of the dead-sexy Saffron would attract more of the male audience they thought the show was going to appeal to in the first place.

I'm just saying.



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Friday, June 22, 2007 7:00 AM

ARCADIA


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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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I don't think Simon and Kaylee are soulmates who would have fallen madly in love, gotten married, and stayed together (until one of them died).



Me neither. I think Simon might have had it right in the message - there was no one else around who was the right age, intellegence, physical attractiveness... they are literally the only boy and girl in the world. It might be sweet for a while, but ultimately I doubt it would last. On a related note, sometimes Kaylee's oversensativeness just makes me want to slap her in the face. We get it. Simon doesn't alway word things well. But, jesus Kaylee, you know what he meant so stop running to Inara like an offended twelve year old. If its that big of a deal, talk about it. *sigh*

I think Inara was one of the most interesting and complex characters on the show, undoubtably my favorite. It seems to me that there is a tendency within the fan community to view her as someone who knows nothing about love, and once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg! Doubt that would have ever happened. I doubt (and when I say doubt, I mean hope and pray) that she would ever quit her job, even for Mal. I think Inara genuinely likes her job. I think, for the most part, her clients are not like Atherton Wing, do not treat her like property or a whore. Because she isn't a whore, and thats what makes her so interesting. Well, one of the things.

I don't care so much what Book's secret was (though I assume it involved the alliance military in some way). I mean, its nice that he has it and can use it to keep Serenity from getting trapped in nets and taken advantage of my corrupt cops, but for me, the fact that he was a preacher on a ship of criminals made him interesting enough. I think the way they resolved things in the movie was great. Now, I'll never know what the secret is and thats fine with me.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 7:10 AM

CHRISISALL


My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall

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Friday, June 22, 2007 7:17 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by Arcadia:
once she can acknowledge she loves Mal then she will quit her job and they can go have babies omg!


Yeah, that's just as unrealistic as having that fairy tale with Simon and Kaylee. Firefly isn't really a fairy tale kind of place. Wash and Zoe didn't have hundreds of fat children (and, Joss willing, never would have) because it would have been a mistake, both for the story and for keeping the show kind of gritty and real. For the same reasons, none of the other potential couples should have children either. Wash and Zoe had a real marriage with real issues and real concerns. It's a real show. You don't fall in love and get married and have babies (omg!) on a smuggling ship. Wash was right, it isn't smart. The odds of even non-combatant little Kaylee getting thrown around and having a miscarriage is kinda high. And if the pregnancy did go smooth, the odds the newborn being in danger would also be high. And once the kid started crawling around with all the sharp metal and steep drops in the ship? Lord, any parents would be in a constant state of panic trying to raise a child that way, and unable to focus on their jobs aboard the ship.
Anyway, got off the subject there. Yes, I think Inara liked her job, liked the status and power and money and lovers and being learned, and that she wouldn't give it up to be essentially a kept woman. I mean she got her hands dirty a couple times, but she's not a criminal; she's just not really built for it. She can fire a little gun or bolt thrower (bow and arrow originally) but in constant combat I don't think she could hold her own. And she's smart, but she's not criminally minded, and every scam she ran hinged on her being a Companion (or seeming non-threatening, in Trash) so what would happen if she wasn't one anymore? Or couldn't seem non-threatening? It just wouldn't be that feasible.
Well, I'm kind of ranting, so I should go do something else for a bit.


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Friday, June 22, 2007 7:52 AM

ORPHEUS


My unpopular opinion? You really want it? Alright...

My unpopular opinion: The BDM has too many jokes. It's too funny. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the humor (most of it anyway), but the first half of the film feels like they're trying to shoehorn as much of the show's humor as possible. From the time we meet Mal to the moment Simon starts arguing with him, it's quip-joke-quip-quip-turbulence-gag-joke-Simon. It's always felt like too much to me. I get that Joss had to draw in newcomers and satiate fans at the same time, but I think he overdid the humor.

As much as I hate to say it, the movie doesn't really become "Serenity" to me until Book shuffles loose the mortal coil. Until then, it was just "Firefly: The Movie".

Start the thrashing now.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 8:05 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Some people never get out of that phase, but it's considered to be very immature. Mal and Inara can show a great deal of maturity... when they aren't dealing with each other. So I guess that's what annoys me.



Maybe it is the romantic in me (for which I've payed the price I must admit) but I kind of regard the awkwardness that happens to two people when they fall in love as just part of the whole endeavour. Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....

Mal and Inara I like to think, though both tough and perceptive are not entirely immune to the very human frailties, such as love.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 8:05 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Oops double post!

Must do the double post dance: a slide to the left a slide to the right, followed by a moonwalk off stage... tarah!

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Friday, June 22, 2007 8:09 AM

GORRAMSPACETRASH


A small quibble, but I really think there's a tendacy to react slightly over-the-top to some of the developments in fan fiction (such as River\Jayne, or Mal\Zoe maybe) - and particularly if the characters can develop to a degree far removed from the series and movie. If your familiar with Joss' writing in Buffy or Angel, you'd be aware that some, (though not all), of his characters tend to become so far removed from their original conceptualization over the years after a multi-season series.

-- Gerry Shannon


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Friday, June 22, 2007 8:17 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Some become gibbering idiots (Somnambulist take a bow) others employ cool calculating predatory charges, many fall silent and succumb to feverish poetry, and others just become so confussed they argue with each other etc....


And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?


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Friday, June 22, 2007 2:15 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?



There is nothing hard about that. Nothing at all, and I won the heart of my main squeeze in just such a manner, only with more words, a lilt of desperation, buckets of sweat, a strange rhythm that eminated from my knocking knees and the requisite killer pair of shoes.

Thing is though for narrative interest on a show you have to deal more with the emotion behind it than the practical intent.

Of course you are absolutely right about the direct approach for real, I agree, but it doesn't translate as that interesting for TV.

Mal: Hey Inara, you look kinda cute in skirts.
Inara: Why Mal I had no idea you thought of me that way.
Mal: Oh wasn't thinking as such, more reacting. Mal like women.
Inara: Why Mal you make me blush. What of the crew they would surely object?
Mal: No, why? They knows we are meant to be together. Now where'd the Shepherd go? I believe it's time he pulled his weight around here and wed us already.


Cut to: Montage of Wedding.

Cut to: End Credits



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Friday, June 22, 2007 3:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
My unpopular opinion is that Faux, in canceling Firefly, unwittingly made the supremely excellent motion picture Serenity, a possibility. And for that alone, I applaud their stupidity.

How's that? Chrisisall



LOL... I must humbly disagree with your assessment of the quality of the BDM.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 3:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And some smile, flirt, and say "Hey, I'm really liking you a lot."

What's so hard about that?



Step into a guys shoes for a little while and you'll have your answer.

What does a man have to do to walk into a room and have every woman in the place want to be with him? He's got to be rich and powerful or influential and definately have a lot of money.

What does a woman have to do to walk into a room and have every man in the room want to be with her? I don't know..... her hair?

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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:31 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What does a man have to do to walk into a room and have every woman in the place want to be with him? He's got to be rich and powerful or influential and definately have a lot of money.


Try "not being a chauvinistic asshole".
Or maybe talking to a woman before you say "Hey, I like you, we should run away together." instead of expecting to walk into a room and be fawned over. I don't walk up to random people and say "I dig you." but if I get a few conversations going and smile a lot and get smiled at a lot, then I say "Hey, I dig you."
Really. Not. Hard.
Sure, I'm a little nervous about it, but better to know right up front than torture yourself.
And funny enough, I've never gone for a single high-powered, rich jackass.


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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.

It's just easier for girls is all.

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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:42 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
And funny enough, I've never gone for a single high-powered, rich jackass.

No one does. It’s the single high-powered, rich non-jackasses that make dating-life complicated.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, June 22, 2007 4:51 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Well, I'll re-post what I wrote on the other multiple thread.

Ready for it?

Really ready?


I despise Simon and I wish he had died instead of Wash, then I could have enjoyed the movie more. It's no surprise to some he's my least favorite. How's that for un-popular?

Oh and Kaylee? Sooooo much better than wussy wussy doctorboy. She deserves better.

Begin the flaming.


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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:00 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Missing my point entirely, but that's okay.


No, I don't think I'm the one missing the point.


Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:03 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Misstressahara:
I despise Simon and I wish he had died instead of Wash, then I could have enjoyed the movie more. It's no surprise to some he's my least favorite. How's that for un-popular?

While I can’t say that I really think Wash’s death was very damaging to the story, since he was a fairly non-critical character, I do think Simon’s death would have had a much more profound impact on the story, and possible provided something interesting to the whole River the Reaver Slayer arc.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
No, I don't think I'm the one missing the point.



Maybe you get the point, maybe you don't. Who can say? You'd have to walk a mile in a relativley unexceptional man's shoes to truly appreciate what I'm trying to say though.

Not to mention, if a guy's ugly, they're pretty much screwed. They better have one hell of a personality and get a lot of laughs if they're not wiping their butts with $20 bills. They can't cake on the makeup to pretty themselves up like a woman can.

I'm not being chauvinistic. What can I say? I'll be the first to admit that it's a woman's world and were a step away from the shift to a matriarchial society.

I get the feeling you're annoyed by my comments here PR. Don't be that way. I always liked ya.


****My humblest apologies for the thread hijack to anyone else****

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:30 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


There’s nothing more unattractive then a guy complaining because he can’t get women.

That being said: Coming from a very poor background I had to compete with other men from Middle to Upper class homes in college for the affections of women from Middle to Upper class homes. Needless to say I felt pretty out of place in college, even though few of the men I was competing with were jackasses. Most of it was in my head. Took me years to realize that what really matters is the alcohol, because in a drunken haze social barriers go out the window.




Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Friday, June 22, 2007 5:31 PM

ORPHEUS


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

****My humblest apologies for the thread hijack to anyone else****



I dunno, I think this fits quite nicely into the whole "Unpopular Opinions" theme. Even though....

You know what? No. I'm gonna sit this one out.

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