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If the Enterprise had never existed...

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:59 AM

CHRISISALL


...would Serenity still have 2 nacelles?



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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:06 AM

FREEBROWNCOAT


1701 wasn't the first twin engine craft. It's a loginca; choice for a lot of reasons so FIREFLY naturally would have followed along.

The question that needs an answer is: If Enterprise had never been on TV, would any SciFi have ever been made? WIthout fictional space travel, would The Joss have been able to get any financing?

"That's the general theory."

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:42 AM

TRAVELER


Thr United States Navy prefers dual engine design aircraft, so it quite possible that designers of spacecraft would follow this example. I do not feel they would be mounted in nacelles. This was a unorthodox design. I would believe ships looking more like the Battlestar Galactica would dominate the concept of large interstellar spacecraft.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:58 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
This was a unorthodox design.


But effective.
(Quick- who am I quoting here with my response?)


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:28 AM

TRAVELER


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

But effective.
(Quick- who am I quoting here with my response?}



Oh yea. A two word sentence and you want to know where it was quoted from. It rings in my head, but can't place it.

I always thought the supports holding the engines looked weak. Of course the ship was not designed to land on the surface of a planet. And that would rule out dealing with gravity. But I feel a ship designed for combat should be more solid.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:49 AM

CYBERSNARK


Starfleet ships weren't built for combat (or at least not just for combat). They were explorers and diplomats 90% of the time. "Peacekeeping" was something Starfleet tended to do only when it had no choice.

Also, part of Matt Jeffries' original concept was that the warp nacelles would throw out too much radiation to keep them close to the hull (which is why pretty much every ship in TOS had their nacelles out at the end of pylons --Klingons and Romulans included). Also, from a visual/dramatic perspective, you want the audience to be able to identify every part of the ship at a glance. Since Roddenberry didn't want big Buck Rogers-style sparks shooting off the ship, they needed some other way to say "these are the engines."

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:11 AM

TRAVELER


The Enterprise was part of the battlefleet. If a ship is going to take on this resposibility, then it should be designed to deal with it. A good example is what finally finished the Reliant in "The Wrath of Khan". One good hit on the support and the engine was gone.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:53 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:

Oh yea. A two word sentence and you want to know where it was quoted from. It rings in my head, but can't place it.


Sorry, I saw Enter The Dragon 50 times by age 20; Williams response to Han always pops into my head at the mere mention of the word "Unorthodox."


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:28 PM

KINGEICHOLZ


I have does work for NASA on this here is my blue print for a warp drive ship

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:13 PM

TRAVELER


Hello Chrisisall:

I have never seen "Enter the Dragon" and yet your quote from that movie did sound familiar. I wonder if others have not used it. It almost sounds like something Mal would say after completing a job or alluding the authorities.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:47 PM

THEREALME


If we ever have REAL space battleships, I predict that they will either look like spheres or beer cans. That is so that they can turn about easier around their center of mass. Some long shape with things sticking out would be unwieldy.

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Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
]Hello Chrisisall:

I have never seen "Enter the Dragon"

Whoah, Traveler, you must remedy that ASAP!!!!


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 PM

TRAVELER


I'm sure I have a friend who has it. I can borrow it.
One friend of mine is a shopaholic and has about every toy imaginable. His main room has three things. Ten remotes for all the devices in his entertainment cabinet with a big soft chair parked in front of it, two dozen empty coke cans sitting at any empty space available, and an ashtray packed with Camel butts. I should have such a lifestyle. So if I start digging in this pile I am sure he has "Enter the Dragon" buried under it.


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Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:59 PM

PEULSAR5

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
]Hello Chrisisall:

I have never seen "Enter the Dragon"

Whoah, Traveler, you must remedy that ASAP!!!!


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Friday, September 18, 2009 1:32 AM

FILLYGIRL

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Quote:

Originally posted by Peulsar5:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by traveler:
]Hello Chrisisall:

I have never seen "Enter the Dragon"

Whoah, Traveler, you must remedy that ASAP!!!!


The laughing Chrisisall



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I'm fond of "Fist of Fury" myself,..."Enter..." is good,...JMHO


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Monday, September 21, 2009 12:01 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


The current military craft Osprey uses 2 engines in similar configuration to Firefly, as well as Harriers. Having one unbalances the load. Firefly was a cargo craft, best to have 2 engines for landing.

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