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Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:35 AM

PROPMASTER2000

. I know in the last several years since Firefly was cancelled, there has been discussion on many ways to re-vitalize the series by accepting donations from fans to get money so Joss could bring back Firefly in some form.....but there always seemed to be good reasons it couldn't be done. Now that this much time has passed, couldn't Joss start a PROJECT himself on KICKSTARTER much like others have done (bringing in three times what they set out to get). Joss could come up with donation perks and use grassroots means to create "something of his own" . Like Space Command, no studio involvement?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/58936338/space-command

I'm sure a few would donate.... Just thinking outloud.... .

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:00 AM

GWEK

Given that Joss is the director of the highest grossing non-James Cameron film, I imagine if he wanted to get FIREFLY made, it would happen without the need to turn to something like Kickstarter. The fact that he has thus far chosen not to continue the story, to me, speaks more about Joss's current desires and state of mind than it does the possibility of funding.

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:01 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

The main reason this won't work is that FOX still owns the film rights to the property.

However, I disagree with Gwek that Joss has turned away from Firefly. He is probably being bombarded now by Disney execs anxious to get him signed for the Avengers sequel, plus other offers are likely to be pouring in. In spite of what a lot of naysayers want you to believe, Joss has never once said he is through with Firefly, it is just a matter of someone willing to foot the bill.

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Monday, July 30, 2012 4:23 AM

ZEEK

I thought the best funded project on kickstarter was only around 6 million dollars. We'd probably need more like 60 million for another movie. Actually probably even more because surely kickstarter takes their own percentage of that money. Setting out on a project that requires it to be ten times the most popular project ever on kickstarter seems like an unreasonable goal.

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Monday, July 30, 2012 2:56 PM

GWEK

Good points.

Fact is, Joss doesn't need Kickstarter to raise money. This is the guy who decided to do a Shakespeare movie on a whim, who pretty much did Doctor Horrible as a weekend project. He's a master of the shoestring budget. The Firefly pilot, which honestly could have screened, cost--what?--10 million? Episodes of Buffy were done for two million or less. Even if we factor in inflation, Joss could do an entire SEASON of Firefly, an entire SERIES of movies, for half of what AVENGERS or DKR costs.

The rights are a factor, of course. Universal, I believe owns the movie rights while FOX has the TV rights. But, honestly, in Hollywood, rights aren't necessarily that big a deal. Money fixes everything, and success greases the wheels. If Joss demanded that Disney acquire the rights of Firefly for him as part a deal to direct AVENGERS 2, they would, and it wouldn't cost them all that much, since FOX already has a rights-sharing deal over some of the Marvel characters. Indeed, it's not uncommon for multiple studios to support an expensive project as a way to share the wealth (or, more cynically, limit the risk).

If Joss wants to do another Serenity--heck, another Firefly (because they're really distinct entities, artistically and legally)--it could be made to happen within the studio system.

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Monday, July 30, 2012 4:32 PM

ARTCAT81

Ni Hao Gwek,

Just wanted to point out that Joss has continued to feed us pieces of the story via the comicbooks. While not my favorite medium, I do appreciate the 'verse is still alive and kicking.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:32 AM

GWEK

I'm well aware of the comics. I was specifically talking about a movie or TV series.

The comics bring up another interesting point, though. I feel like there has been a progression within the comics of Joss "ceding control" as time has gone by (it's almost as if he's "given" Dollhouse and Firefly to his two brothers to control). I can't help but think that's another factor, given how closely he personally protected Firefly up to, say, Better Days.

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Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:34 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

I think the biggest problem is time. No matter how much money Joss is given to make another Firefly movie or series to much time has passed for him to ever make it what he wanted. I don't think he would re-boot the series with new actors because at this point those people are the crew. He also can't just pick things up were they left off because the actors have aged.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, August 03, 2012 9:32 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it at some point the end of this year that Fox's rights to Firefly expire?

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Friday, August 03, 2012 9:45 AM

ZEEK

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1: Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it at some point the end of this year that Fox's rights to Firefly expire?

As far as I can tell this is just an urban legend. There have been many dates that have come and gone where people claim Fox will no longer have rights to the franchise. However, there's never been any proof. Frankly it doesn't even make sense. Fox studios bought the idea. They didn't lease it. They have the rights forever unless there was something weird in Joss's contract.

If this is somehow about Fox networks rights to air the show then I think those have long since expired. That's why reruns are on the science channel. Though I could be wrong about this too.

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Friday, August 03, 2012 10:54 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

The Science channel currently ownes the rights to the existing series. I'm not sure if they could add to it or not.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, August 03, 2012 2:24 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson: The Science channel currently ownes the rights to the existing series.

No, they just purchased syndication rights from FOX, just as many stations have done for The Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men, etc. They may have exclusive syndication rights at this time, but that is not the same as the rights to the IP.

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Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:06 AM

DEATHPAIN

We kinda know enough to know that FOX's rights to firefly are not set to expire anytime soon.

If you remember when Nathan Fillion accidently let slip he wanted to buy the rights to firefly (which didnt get taken as intended, i know it was all theoretical) then surely we can gather from that that FOX wont loose the rights anytime soon if at all.

If you was Nathan Fillion and you knew Joss Weedon, then you would most likely know if the rights are going to expire or not. If they are going to expire then why would you want to buy the rights ? You would wait for them to expire and talk to Joss Weedon about getting the gang back together again.

As for it being too long to dive back into it, I dont think that would be an issue at all. Joss has said he has pretty much the scripts written for if and when it continue's, he knows exactly the direction he wants to go down. And I would trust Joss to be able to revive the francise without little issue to storyline or the age of the cast.

What the others said is totally right tho, its totally down to Joss not having any free time or any money to do it. With huge successes like Avengers Assemble under his belt and now the sequel things look better as if he wanted to do this he has enough people with money to go to, to try and help fund a project. But until he gets the free time to even look at it that wont happen. I believe he wants to tho, and im even more sure the cast do almost as much as we do.

However you look at the whole situation, I dont think its worth giving up on. The kickstarter may not get us the money we need to get the francise back, but with enough support (and i mean alot) then even those that deserve to burn in the special kind of hell will sit back at there desks and think if there is money to be made from us or not.

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Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:17 AM

STORYMARK

Yeah, aside from the complete fallacy of the rights expiring - Jopss just signed an exclusive deal to work on Marvel flicks for the next 3 years.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

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Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:37 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by DEATHPAIN: . . . its totally down to Joss not having any free time or any money to do it. With huge successes like Avengers Assemble under his belt and now the sequel things look better . . . But until he gets the free time to even look at it that won't happen.

Joss will be free to take on Firefly projects sometime after June 2015, according to www.variety.com/article/VR1118057576 "Joss Whedon has signed an exclusive deal with Marvel Studios for film and television through the end of June 2015," Disney said in a statement. "As part of that deal, Whedon will write and direct Marvel's The Avengers 2 as well as help develop a new live action series for Marvel Television at ABC. He will also contribute creatively to the next phase of Marvel's cinematic universe."

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, August 18, 2012 4:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

A deal with all the players would be the way to go here - just saying. Let's do a little dreaming, shall we!

Let's say that Fox would be willing to listen to a prospective deal (not far-fetched since Joss has some juice now) and Universal, as well as Disney gets involved. Here's how I see it. There would be a movie - Serenity 2 - which would kickstart (ahem) the franchise. This would lead into a TV series - Firefly - which would pick up where we left off in 2002. Joss could start the initial TV series and then turn over the day-to-day operations to a trusted colleague freeing him up for future movie projects (Avengers 2 and so on). All three would divvy up the loot both for investing in the project and profit-wise. This way minimizing the risk and then backing up the truck to the vault. Fox, Universal and Disney would each pay Joss 1 point of the profits (including residuals for DVD and syndication) and voila, we get our BDH back.

Or.............

In case Fox balks at the chance to make a gazillion dollars. Joss convinces Universal and Disney to foot the bill for a straight to DVD miniseries (a 6-parter 2 hours each) completing the Firefly story. Or a combination of a Serenity 2 movie and DVD combo. Although I doubt Fox would pass up the chance to buy another Brink's truck to hold their cashy money, this is within the realm of possibilities. You're right that studios have collaborated on other projects to minimize financial exposure, and all parties are familiar with the material and the creator, what is left is the logistics - the actors, writers and other cast members availability. The Fox execs could not be that cynical, and downright stupid, to continue to kill this franchise. So many more Browncoats exist today than back in 2002. Besides, they were smart enough to put it on in the first place, plus there's Hulu. So there is a precedent. If Joss wants to do it, then he could go to Disney and say, "I'll do Avengers 2, but on 1 condition......." Plus I would say that it would behoove Joss to take a couple of points, in lieu of pay (like Nicholson did with Batman and Tom Hanks with Forrest Gump.......and those guys are gazillionaires, and their families). Joss has the leverage, but he needs a shark in his corner.

There are many moving parts, but if it's presented in the right way, it could happen. But it must be now, all because Joss has the juice.

SGG

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Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:19 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: If Joss wants to do it, then he could go to Disney and say, "I'll do Avengers 2, but on 1 condition..."

A little late for that now, since he's already made the deal for Avengers 2, although we have no way to know if he might have talked about a particular pet project as a side note.

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Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:30 PM

DEATHPAIN

I did some reading on this, and it seems Joss wasnt overly keen to take Avengers 2 to start with as he said "he wanted to work on his own stuff". Of course you can imagine what everyone thought when he said this. However he then took the deal to do Avengers 2, but that doesnt really kick off for a couple years anyway, and from what I can tell the script is already written as its not going to be written by Joss, just directed by him.

As for the straight to DVD firefly franshise in case Fox deceides not to continue, I dont think legally that will work. Fox owns the right to the name, and the franchise so just not broadcasting it on Fox wouldnt solve the issue.

However Joss Weedon is the biggest thing going at the moment and I do believe he has more power to put pressure on the big men then he has ever before. Also what SGG was saying about leaving a trusted individual with Firefly to relieve some pressure from Joss doesnt sound so far fetched. Thats what Tim Minear was for with Angel originally, and he ran that side of things (until being brought to help with Firefly) And I am sure that nothing with Firefly would happen without him anyway.

I have hope that Joss can still put something out of the bag at some point, however how long that will take I dont know as yet, but there really seems to be hope still.

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Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:43 PM

JUBILEFETTEARLIE

I don't know guys. It's been pretty quiet on the news front for anything firefly related. I mean the 10 year anniversary panel was cool and all, but no news came from it. It was just that, an anniversary panel.

I'm starting to think Joss has his eyes set on bigger and not so much better things. SHIELD for example. That show would tie him up for a bit until it comes time to do Avengers 2.

I really don't see Joss being able to work on "his own stuff" until after his contract with Disney is over in 2015. Then it would take another year to two years to get an end product. So we are talking 2017 to see anything new from Joss.

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Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:29 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by JubileFettEarlie: I don't know guys. It's been pretty quiet on the news front for anything firefly related. I mean the 10 year anniversary panel was cool and all, but no news came from it. It was just that, an anniversary panel.

If you really want to get the most bang for your bucks, direct your Kickstarter money (in the form of a bribe) to Scott Allie, editor of all things Whedon at Dark Horse Comics.

Question during a 11/30/2010 comic book signing: "What, if anything, is standing in the way of a Serenity on-going comic?" Zack Whedon: "I think the answer is Scott Allie." Scott Allie (in the audience, but without microphone): "Mumble, mumble, mumble." Zack Whedon: "Okay! Now we know." two's comment: "I know less now than I knew before the question was asked 22 months ago."

Start at 1:20 into the video of Zack Whedon-Chris Samnee Serenity Q_A and Signing Part 1 - November 30, 2010.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:54 AM

WISHIMAY

Are you talking about the first mumble mumble or the second...'Cause the second where he is talking over someone is: "We'd like to do more with you guys"

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Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:01 AM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay: Are you talking about the first mumble mumble or the second...'Cause the second where he is talking over someone is: "We'd like to do more with you guys"

"We'd like to do more with you guys" is a polite way to avoid answering questions about the next Serenity comic.

For many, many months Dark Horse and the Whedons have not spoken clearly about the future of Serenity comics because they have higher priorities, by which I mean projects that earn more money than Serenity, i.e. Avengers 2. Obviously my priorities are more Serenity. So as not to offend fans such as myself, Dark Horse and the Whedons mumble or just not bring up the subject at all.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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