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Serenity Questions (Spoilers)

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Monday, February 7, 2005 2:41 PM

MELTINGMAN


Now that I think about it...yeah...just our Captain is different. I mean he acts different regarding how he lets crew members talk to him. (and punch him in the mouth in Simon's case) But he is the same in regards to his love for his ship and crew, and his disdain for the Allaince and fear of the Reavers

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Monday, February 7, 2005 3:09 PM

MELTINGMAN


I wish i could. I can give you a very general accounht of the story. But I have tried myself to think back from beginning to end and I cant do it. I wish i could but my memory tends to be sporadic..lol.

Lets see, the story revolves around River. The Operatives after her, and it answers why they want her back. The crews quest of finding that out winds up accedentally taking them to the Reaver home world. A world were they were accidentally created by the inhabitants. See the population was trying to be controlled by an airborn additive (or pill cant remember) and it went very wrong. It was supposed to supress violent impulses, and instead it either made people so non-caring they simply died where they sat, or the complete opposite were they became...well Reavers.

It is a complicated story where the Allaince and the Reavers are after them. But they visit and pick up Inara and visit Book before and after the Reavers attack which killed him. Ultimately they are able to use this under-ground type of guy to transmit proof that the Reavers exist and make piece with The Allaince. If I remember correctly the Operative tells the Allaince army not to kill River (who was cornered)dont remember exactly how...but if memory serves the Allaince is no longer after River. All kinda foggy which bugs me. I guess I'll have to watch it again in September..lol



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Monday, February 7, 2005 3:26 PM

BARRY


Thanks.

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Monday, February 7, 2005 10:17 PM

THEDARKSHAPE


Thanks for the Q & A session. The pure spoiler junkie in me has to know -- how exactly (to the best of your knowledge) do Book and Wash die?

And it may be out of character for Mal, but I like the idea of Simon getting some "punching" revenge.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 12:56 AM

ORCBLASTER


Do you remember why Inara came back on board Serenity after she left? You say they "picked" Inara up, but they must have a lot of reason for her to come back right?

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by TheDarkShape:
Thanks for the Q & A session. The pure spoiler junkie in me has to know -- how exactly (to the best of your knowledge) do Book and Wash die?

And it may be out of character for Mal, but I like the idea of Simon getting some "punching" revenge.



One, I can see, but both of 'em?


Too many questions arise... I'm gonna make like it's not true.

There, all better!

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:27 AM

MELTINGMAN


When Serenity chrashes down on the planet where the Communications guy is, a long wooden pole breaks off from the building they crashed into and impales Wash right through his chest in the pilot chair. You would'nt of seen it coming. And because they were running for there lives they had one second to mourn him and then they were off and running.

Book's little town he lived in was hit by the Allaince when they were following Rivers trail. Book shot down a ship and he was lying in the dirt dying when Mal found him. I thought that Simon would save him somehow, but while Simon was getting his medical suppies he dies in Mals arms.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:30 AM

MELTINGMAN


They went to go visit Inara for some information/help she could give them. Dont remember exactly, but the Operative shows up while they are there. During the fight with him. she saves Mals ass and they flee to the ship. She kinda had to go, but at the end she tells Mal that she will be staying and he replies something like "good answer" or something close.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 8:29 AM

SWEETH


Darn. I like Mal the way he was in the series.
Nathan mentioned in an interview that Mal was given a "love interest". Would that be Inara? Is the UST still there?


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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 9:34 AM

ORCBLASTER


Well, I guess even if Book's dead I still think Joss can find a creative and original way to tell Book's past though (maybe a flashback, or something else)
Meltingman, were there any inside jokes for the Firefly fans in the movie? And do we see Zoe dealing with the death of Wash in the movie?

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 9:39 AM

MELTINGMAN


Yep the love interest is Inara. The fire still burns there. In a scene in the movie, Mal is in his room on the ship and he is holding a video recorded clip of her when she was on board and he was missing her.

Not sure what UST stands for?

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 9:54 AM

MELTINGMAN


For Books death there was no flashback or anything unvieling his past. In the first meeting with Book at his new town/village, Mal and Book were talking about River and being chased and Book was sharing all kinds of information on what the Allaince might do. Mal says "one of these days you need to tell me how you know this kind of stuff" and Book simply replies "no...I dont!"

Then later in the movie he dies...Even when he was giving up his last breath he didnt say.

A big part of me hopes that Joss is simply playing a joke on all of us. That he has signed all the cast members to a three movie deal, and he wants to thow us off the spoiler path. I can hope.

Inside jokes...im sure there were but none I can remember...sorry

For Wash and Book the creww buried them on top of a hill and that is were all the remaining cast members had a chance to finally mourn.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:09 AM

SWEETH


Thank you so much. You have answered my question.
Heh..I don't know what it stands for either, picked it up in one of the threads or fan fiction.

I doubt if the movie will make it to Singapore, where I am, but still hoping. Love this thread. Thank you again.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:14 AM

ORCBLASTER


How is Jayne dealing with the Operative and River?
Is he going to try to sell River out to the Operative?

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:15 AM

MELTINGMAN


No problem...answering questions has trigured my memory for scenes I had forgotten. it is pretty cool that I am in Los Angeles and you are in Singapore...gotta love the internet.

This movie better make it to you. That would really suck if you had to wait until DVD.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:17 AM

MELTINGMAN


Nope he did'nt try to sell River out to the Operative. But he did voice that having them on board was a bad idea. He was awesome as usual. He was in most scenes and was great. he was pretty much afraid/respected River after he see's her whoop much ass in the bar scene. Wait until you see that..

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:20 AM

SWEETH


I'm going to Australia to watch it, if it doesn't make it here. *grins*
I have a friend in Perth.
I sure hope Serenity makes it to Perth.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:25 AM

KETHRYVERIS


UST - Unresolved Sexual Tension

Quote:

Originally posted by sweeth:
Thank you so much. You have answered my question.
Heh..I don't know what it stands for either, picked it up in one of the threads or fan fiction.

I doubt if the movie will make it to Singapore, where I am, but still hoping. Love this thread. Thank you again.


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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:27 AM

ORCBLASTER


Cool, I like scared Jayne :-)
- If you would rate this movie (scale of 1-10) what would you give it?
- What was your absolute favourite scene of the movie? (and could you please describe it?)
- How much of the movie is going to be cgi?
- You said they were going on a heist, how is that gonna go? (Is it gonna go like with the lassiter in Trash or very different?) And do they succeed?

thanks again :-)

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 11:10 AM

SWEETH


Why did Simon punch Mal?


and thanks, KETHRYVERIS

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:19 PM

MELTINGMAN


I would rate this movie probably an 8. It will go higher if they delete/change the "Oh come on" scenes.

My favorite scene is easy, it is the bar scene with River. The crew go there to meet some bad guys and River walks up to a TV showing some Anime cartoons. In the cartoons there is embedded a message which triggers Rivers training. She starts beating some ass in there. What makes this scene great is the flow of the fight scene. There is no, film this guy getting punched, ok now this guy gets kicked, ok now cut to this guy getting karate chopped. you can tell it is 10 minutes of straight fighting. In addition, Mal realizes whats happening and he will be next. So he runs to the locker where everybodies weapons are locked up. He is trying to get his weapon and she is just about ready to get to him. This is when Simon shuts her down with the key word. Awesome...

The special effects were missing, except for one glorious scene.l This is a very cool scene when Simon breaks River out of the Allaince facilty. he poses as a high ranking official with the Allaince and he is carrying a walking cane of some sort. So when the timing is right, he drops to one knee while slamming the bottom of the cane on the floor. When this happens a burst of energy expands from the cane tip immobilizing anybody it reaches. Because Simon is below the enery level from the cane (he was kneeling) he was safe. Cool sound effect and cool special effect. All other scenes you could see the wires and occasionally a sign which read "space battle"..pretty funny.

The hiest is in the beginning when they rob a bank in the town of Lilac. While they are robbing it the town gets hit by Reavers. This is when they need to make a quick get away. Didnt go well, they only got a little bit of money from the vault.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:24 PM

MELTINGMAN


For the life of me i cant remember. What i do remember is that I was shocked when it happened. They were all standing in the common area around the dinner table. And that Mal just kinda held his jaw, while Jayne stood between them. They were just kinda arguing and Simon suddenly cold cocked him. i thought oh man mal is gonna make him pay for that....and then nothing?

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:32 PM

YINEPUHOTEP


Quote:

Originally posted by Static:

If discretion is the better part of valor. . .is cowardice the better part of discretion?



Well, you know what they say...never get between a coward and the exit.


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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 8:04 AM

SWEETH


So unlike Mal. Strange.

This is the first spoiler thread I've come across that actually tells any. It's cool of you to let us make our own decision as to whether we want to be 'spoilt' lol Most people keep saying it's better you don't know.
Well, I do know some now, thanks to you, and I know I will still enjoy the movie.
So..what else can you tell us? hehe
I'll just wait for someone else to ask the questions. Can't think of any right now.


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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 9:20 AM

MELTINGMAN


Your welcome...I just figure that the thread is labeled "Spoiler"...so who ever doesnt want to know they wont come here. I actually am one of those people who dont read spoilers. But i appreciate that people do. Well since i have already seen the movie why not share?

Beleive it or not, I was an extra in the movie and was pretty bummed that i ended up getting cut from the movie...lol

Maybe Joss knew i would share..lol

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 3:35 PM

DEANNAMAY


Looking at all the spoilers, I still think the movie will be a little different than what people saw. They know what an organized fan group they have, and that word will get out from previews. To truly give us an enjoyable experience, and I truly believe Joss is for his fans, we will have surprises, hopefully happy ones. I can see Book being written out simply because it seems Ron is a busy dude. Wash, there is too much he can still do, and they will continue to need a crack pilot. JMHO.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 4:40 PM

BRUISERSMOM


I'm not crazy about the hover craft either. I remember the one from "Heart of Gold" and it seemed like something that rich people would have like laser guns. I want the guys to stay poor. It makes their successful exploits all the more impressive.

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 6:30 PM

REEQUEEN


I'm adding my thanks, too, MeltingMan. You've provided a great deal of insight that is usually missing from the reviews (generally of the "Rah! Rah! Rah!" variety, not that there's anything wrong with that!), and some great descriptions.

I fully expect there to be some changes when Sept. 30 rolls around (and Middle Son just got a job at the local MegaPlex, so we'll be going for free! If he still works there by then! Rah!), but I love knowing stuff beforehand, it makes me feel....special. Heh.

....And what I wouldn't have given when I was 11 to have been spoiled for Star Wars....such a coup over my friends....ya know?

The hubbert is going non-spoiled....well, mostly, anyway. So I feel I'm one step ahead of him, where he's usually been three ahead of me up till now.

Anyway. Thank you!

"He has a gorm horizon. All gorm that falls past it is lost forever." UserFriendly http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050114

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 6:41 PM

BARRY


Mal letting Simon punch him without retaliation may be unusual but it seems to me to be entirely plausible and understandable if Simon had just cause and/or Mal felt he deserved to be smacked. Putting aside whether or not you think Mal acted out of character, do you think Mal had it coming?

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 10:01 PM

SWEETH


So, you are one of those who don't read spoilers. hehe

Well, all the more shiny that you'd answer questions. I can totally appreciate that point of view too, but not so much the holier-than-thou attitude of some. :P

I hope your character gets put back into the movie, Or in the DVD. You must tell which one you are then.

Can't wait for Sept. But don't know if there's a movie to wait for here. *sigh* It'll be back to searching for more spoilers then, I guess ,till I can get to Australia or the DVD release. Will you still be around then? lol

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 11:35 PM

JADETHE2ND


Can I just say:

Before the screening in London we were ASKED SPECIFICALLY NOT TO POST SPOILERS ON THE INTERNET.

Seriously, what do you think it's gonna do to the chances of us having a similar opportunity if there's a sequel (or what it's gonna do to the chances of fans being allowed as extras, for that matter) if people are posting this much detail?!

This would be a "think before you type" moment, people.

Sorry if I come off as rude and judemental, but I had to say something.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:14 AM

ORCBLASTER


Well, I think it's ok to post spoilers on the internet about the movie. I even think that Universal and Joss and Chris Buchanan expected this to happen. You can't expect to fill a room with excited fans and then not one of them posts a spoiler on the internet.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:26 AM

RABIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Orcblaster:
Well, I think it's ok to post spoilers on the internet about the movie. I even think that Universal and Joss and Chris Buchanan expected this to happen. You can't expect to fill a room with excited fans and then not one of them posts a spoiler on the internet.

Uh, you can when the room of excited fans agrees not to. If you watched the movie under the pretense of not posting spoilers, and then post spoilers, you've lied. You lied to Joss and you lied to Chris.

Seriously, I agree with JadeThe2nd - because people are posting this information, they will likely not trust us to keep our mouths shut for future movies. Personally, I think that they ought to have NDA's for these things, and then actively pursue people who post. It's really a shame...

Yes, I know - I read the spoilers. But I honestly couldn't dishonor Joss by lying to him if I was in that position...

As always, no offense intended to those who are posting spoilers. You have the right to do whatever you want.

Just as we have the right to disagree.

Rabit

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:02 AM

RUTHIE


There were nearly 200 Browncoats at the London screening, and probably similar numbers at the 2 American screenings.

Say 500 Browncoats have seen it, and ONE is posting spoilers.

0.2% of the audience could prevent 98.8% ever being invited to something similar.

That seem right to you?

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By the data to date, there is only one animal in the Galaxy dangerous to man - man himself. So he must supply his own indispensable competition. He has no enemy to help him. (R.A.Heinlein)

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:12 AM

THEREAVER


Say 500 Browncoats have seen the film. Eventually something's gonna leak. Might as well just flood the place.

I'll rape you to death.
I'll eat your flesh.
I'll sew your skin into my clothes.
If you're very very lucky, I'll do it in that order - TheReaver

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:58 AM

MELTINGMAN


Well I must say I'm dissapointed with the few who read all the spoilers, and then post that i shouldnt have shared? Actually kinda makes me laugh.

In my defense (because i guess I need to) there was no request not to post spoilers on the internet. We were asked for no video or photography. If anything i bet they put out a 75% finished story, and then let fans see it and lurk here for our ideas.

With that said...I'm done. I have shared the bulk of what I can remember. But I will leave one last spoiler for those who dont want to know (but your reading this you putz..lol) River will be the crack pilot replacing Wash. At the end, she sits down and takes the controls from Mal...HA

Goodbye everybody..

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:10 AM

SWEETH


Bye meltingMan, *sniff* and thank you. Was good while it lasted.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:17 AM

RUTHIE


I read this thread because I was at the London screening, and therefor, for me, it is NOT spoilers.

And I'd like to comment that people shouldn't take everything that Meltingman has said as entirely accurate.
Perhaps it's down to different interpretations of what we saw, or that I have seen it more recently, or perhaps we even saw different versions - the cgi and sfx were nearly complete in the version I saw.

But if I were to answer some of the questions that have been asked here, I would have answered them very differently.

But, as we in London WERE specifically asked not to post spoilers, I'm not going to.

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By the data to date, there is only one animal in the Galaxy dangerous to man - man himself. So he must supply his own indispensable competition. He has no enemy to help him. (R.A.Heinlein)

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:28 AM

ZOL


Quote:

Originally posted by Ruthie:
And I'd like to comment that people shouldn't take everything that Meltingman has said as entirely accurate.
Perhaps it's down to different interpretations of what we saw, or that I have seen it more recently, or perhaps we even saw different versions - the cgi and sfx were nearly complete in the version I saw.

But if I were to answer some of the questions that have been asked here, I would have answered them very differently.

But, as we in London WERE specifically asked not to post spoilers, I'm not going to.

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Ruthie
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Well said, I read these comments on spoilers before with a pinch of salt, but when it came down to the watching the `unfinished film` at the London screening, there are certain truths but also there are other things here which were not seen.

In Spetmeber(U.S) & November(U.K.) I guess we will see what actually does make it to the final cut. There`s a long time to go and additional scenes could still be filmed and mixed about.

I agree with Ruthie, and just remember that until the final cut nothing is for certain.

Darin (Zol.)

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:42 AM

SWEETH


I am well aware that there might be different versions/interpretations..whatever. Meltingman wasn't trying to force his views on us. We asked, he answered ..is all.
Bye.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:45 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by meltingMan:
With that said...I'm done.

Please don't stop, this thread is just starting to be fun. If you can't remember any more, just make stuff up that gives the feel if not the actual. That should really piss off the nay-sayers

EDIT: I wish we could talk about neigh-sayers, I'm going to miss the horses.

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Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:28 PM

SWEETH


I said bye..twice, yet here I am. lol
I've just got to say this. I have been recruiting fans for the FF series thru the dvds and have been fairly successful. Oh, they enjoyed the series very much, but none as fanatically as I have. Interest seemed to be waning somewhat and I have been feeding tidbits about the movie as much as I can, and Meltingman answering questions here have helped much. I do let them know that there seem to be slightly different versions and the actual movie itself may turn out differently...or not. Interest has picked up again. I am even trying to get my friends and family to think about going to Australia with me to see the movie. Granted, just us alone isn't going to make a big difference. It's going to be a very expensive movie ticket for each of us.
I feel so bad that Meltingman (clearly having no ill intent)has been 'attacked' for his part here. :(

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Friday, February 11, 2005 3:31 AM

NAKEDANDARTICULATE


gorrammit!!! i am soooo sick of people complaining about spoilers---you know what if the thread mentions spoilers,and you dont want to read spoilers---guess what? dont read the thread!"but i dont want to read spoilers"---what are you 5 ? do you want me to hold your hand? i guess what im trying to say is "quit yer whinin'"


"Hamsters is nice."

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Friday, February 11, 2005 7:00 AM

ZOL


Quote:

Originally posted by nakedandarticulate:
gorrammit!!! i am soooo sick of people complaining about spoilers---you know what if the thread mentions spoilers,and you dont want to read spoilers---guess what? dont read the thread!"but i dont want to read spoilers"---what are you 5 ? do you want me to hold your hand? i guess what im trying to say is "quit yer whinin'"


"Hamsters is nice."



I think you`ve got it wrong! It`s not about reading spoilers but getting the right information if that`s what you want - what`s been said here is that some things said here are not what was seen (in the UK). What has been said is not to believe everything you hear here, the thing with spoilers is to get the facts straight - If I said "Reavers look like people in big teddy bear outfits on screen" how would you know (apart from it being far fetched) that it isn`t so?

So again I say to take everything you read here with a pinch of salt until things can be confirmed by other sources.

Darin (Zol.)

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Friday, February 11, 2005 7:24 AM

PURPLEBELLY


Quote:

Originally posted by Zol:
... "Reavers look like people in big teddy bear outfits on screen" ...

Just the sort of detail we could enjoy, for eight months at least. There are some very scary guys in West Africa in make-up and fashion wigs, after all. Clowns would have been derivative and not very credible, I agree.

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Friday, February 11, 2005 7:31 AM

MELTINGMAN


Man how i'm excited about the possibility they have made changes. Regarding the information i have shared, this is what I have seen during my viewing. I did'nt add anything or stretch what i saw.
The different movie you saw I hope includes Wash not dying, and Mal not having a three foot sword shoved through his stomach and fighting for another 10 minutes!!!!

This is encouraging.

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 12:14 PM

FORRESTWOLF


Here's my tidbits of independent confirmation:

1) We know there's a hovercraft chase scene - in the Comic Con trailer, there was one shown briefly.

2) The behind-the-scenes photos I released(which ended up in SFX Magazine, by the way) included university-campus-looking place where there were decomposed bodies just LYING ON THE GROUND like they'd...hmmm...lost the will to live and just lay down to die. Not reaverized, just collapsed. Sounds like the Reaver homeworld Meltingman described.

3) I've gotten a private email response with a person highly involved in the film who indicated that FTL/not-FTL indeed is left nebulous, likely on purpose.

That's it for me. I hope Wash and Book don't die!

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Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:41 PM

THEDARKSHAPE


I'm lost. FTL?

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Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:59 AM

ZOL


FTL = Faster Than Light(speed of Light)

In theory to make it practical to travel to he stars space craft must travel FTL as the distances are so large.

There is still the open question on how the people in the Firefly Universe actually got to where they are today with speculation on FTL travel or some other means (wormhole/stargate/portal etc.)- but nothing has been mentioed or seen for certain

Darin (Zol.)

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