Quote:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/14/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: For clarity and to lessen bloat, I'm going to remove any comments I've made about weird international numbers fluctuating. You're going to see weird things happen here, like movies making a lot of money one week despite almost making nothing in the domestic box office, and other weeks where they lose money with no explanation. This just seems par for the course with international numbers, and I don't feel like cataloging it anymore.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,095,527 (338% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,095,527 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,095,527 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $563,000,108 (225% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,000,108
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$61,999,892

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (235% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $443,632,320 (222% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$43,632,320
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,367,680


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $370,440,577 (123% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$229,559,423
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$379,559,423

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,104,332 (40% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$12,895,668
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$16,895,668

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $75,754,219 (48% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$240,245,781
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$319,245,781

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$124,992,781
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$825,492,781


YET TO BE RELEASED:

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Disney 2023 Box Office Losses as of 08/21/2023:

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Disney 2023 Box Office Losses as of 08/21/2023:

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038

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• Disney gross profit for the quarter ending June 30, 2023 was $7.859B, a 0.47% increase year-over-year.

• Disney gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $28.776B, a 3.06% increase year-over-year.

• Disney annual gross profit for 2022 was $28.321 B, a 27.07% increase from 2021.

• Disney annual gross profit for 2021 was $22.287B, a 3.62% increase from 2020.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DIS/disney/gross-profit

6ix, while you concentrate on "Losses" making movies, you missed the bigger picture.

And "Losses" for movies are unlike losses for airlines that spend billions on fuel and loans for airplanes, you know, externalities. Disney spends billions on one part of Disney paying a different part of Disney for office space and props used to make movies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/21/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,613,256 (338% of Production Budget)
*Lost $482,271 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,613,256 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,613,256 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,375,067(224% of Production Budget)
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,375,067
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,624,933

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (235% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $458,277,109 (229% of Production Budget)
Up $14,644,789 from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$58,277,109
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$41,722,891


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $371,212,967 (124% of Production Budget)
Up $772,390 from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$228,787,033
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$378,787,033

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,427,908 (44% of Production Budget)
Up $323,576 from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$12,572,092
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$16,572,092

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $85,259,519 (54% of Production Budget)
Up $9,505,300 from last week as of 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$230,740,481
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$309,740,481

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$101,854,038
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$802,354,038


YET TO BE RELEASED:

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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In post-World War II Venice, Poirot, now retired and living in his own exile, reluctantly attends a seance. But when one of the guests is murdered, it is up to the former detective to once again uncover the killer.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/28/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,321,673 (338% of Production Budget)
*Lost $291,583 from last week on international numbers 08/28.
*Lost $482,271 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,321,673 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,321,673 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,783,281 (223% of Production Budget)
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/21.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,783,281
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,216,719

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $468,520,196 (235% of Production Budget)
Up $10,243,087 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,520,196
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$31,479,804


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $371,405,582 (124% of Production Budget)
Up $192,615 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$228,594,418
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$378,594,418

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,629,606 (50% of Production Budget)
Up $201,698 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$12,370,394
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$16,370,394

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $91,543,061 (54% of Production Budget)
Up $6,283,542 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$224,456,939
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$303,456,939

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$72,446,071
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$785,316,465


YET TO BE RELEASED:

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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Hollywood’s Slo-Mo Self-Sabotage

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Originally posted by second:
Hollywood has been slowly killing movie theater ticket sales for twenty years.
Death might be closer than Hollywood cares to know:

July 25, 2005 Hollywood’s Death Spiral
The secret numbers tell the story.

In 1948, with studios earning all their revenues from the box office, that audience was moviegoers. Even as late as 1980, when the audience had television sets and video players, studios still earned 55 percent of their money from people who actually went to movie theaters. In 2005, however, those moviegoers provided the studios with less than 15 percent of their worldwide revenues, while couch potatoes provided it with 85.8 percent.

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I still don't know what your point is, even with that underlined.

Show me one streaming service that has ever been profitable. Including Netflix.

Disney+ certainly has never earned a profit.

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You've used this exact argument before and it was debunked before. Several times.

I'm not wasting any time having this conversation with somebody who doesn't understand anything again.

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Gross profit is what you get if you are a big enough actor or producer to demand this. You get a percentage of profit based on the gross of the film – how much it makes before any costs. Therefore, you are guaranteed to get paid since the studio can't hide anything. Very few people can demand gross points. But if you have them and your film hits big, you make millions. In fact, this can be so profitable you will sometimes see big stars forgo any salary at all except union minimum just to get these points.Unfortunately, Mr. Prowse relates what is almost universally the case with a net profit clause. Studios almost never pay on this clause, as they claim nearly any and every expense possible to keep the film from showing any actual profit. Very few films have ever shown a net profit on the books.How do they do this? Well first, imagine that George Lucas decided to go to New York tomorrow to talk about showing Return of the Jedi in 3D. And he stayed at the Ritz Carlton, ordered sushi at 3 a.m. from room service and used the hotel phone to call Bahrain to make prank calls.Well, 26 years after the release of the film, the accountants at Lucasfilm are going to charge $86,000 to the costs of Return of the Jedi. I am NOT joking. This is what they do. If George Lucas utters the words Star Wars and he's spending money, they're putting it on the red line for one of those films.On the flipside, Mr. Prowse would be wise to use the FORCE, aka a lawyer, to get Lucasfilm to cough up. You see, as you can tell by the above, the accounting is utter bullshit. And on a film like Return of the Jedi, Lucasfilm would be extremely reluctant to open its books in open court. Extremely reluctant because of how incredibly embarrassed studios have been in the past when they have made the mistake of doing this. Plus, the ensuing publicity would be embarrassing to Lucasfilm. Can you imagine the hedlines if Darth Vader sued George Lucas?In short, if you have net participation on a film that has grossed hundreds of millions, you may get some dough, but you'll have to sue to get it.

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At the end of the day the IRS knows what they made and didn't make.

And if the above sentence is not true, might I suggest that some of those 87,000 new IRS agents that taxpayers are funding to go after people making less than $30k per year set their sites on Hollywood instead perhaps?

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Idiot Second used to defend Disney and has said that Disney goes up and down with the S&P 500.

Disney stock dipped below $80 a share today before settling at $80.57.

Let's see what the S&P looks like.... Hmmmmmm... $4,451.14


March 12, 2021:
- Disney peaks at $197.16 per share.
- S&P 500 sits at $3,943.34.

September 7th, 2023:
- Disney ends the day it dipped below $80 at $80.57 per share.
- S&P 500 is $4,451.14.

Disney's loss in that time: $116.59 per share or -40.87%
S&P 500's gain in that time: $507.80 or +12.88%

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Disney hasn't been this low since March 1st of 2014 when it was $80.41 per share, which was the highest it had ever been at that point after a 12 year consistent rise in price after the dot-com bubble burst in the early 2000s.

Bob Iger is getting sued now a 2nd time for defrauding investors and lying about Disney+ results after it was revealed they lost another $800 Million in streaming last quarter.

Theme Park attendance has never been lower.

Disney might go bankrupt if it is forced to buy Hulu.

Disney has lost over $775 Million in the Box Office so far in 2023.

Toys for 8 year old movies still rot on shelves, even at discount stores like Ollie's because nobody wants to buy their diversity hire woke crap that the since fired DEI team of college educated morons insisted get made only to eventually find their way into a landfill whenever Ollie's decides it wants the shelf space back and cuts its losses. At least Ollie's will get a tax writeoff for that terrible mistake.
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Idiot Second used to defend Disney and has said that Disney goes up and down with the S&P 500.

Disney stock dipped below $80 a share today before settling at $80.57.

Let's see what the S&P looks like.... Hmmmmmm... $4,451.14


March 12, 2021:
- Disney peaks at $197.16 per share.
- S&P 500 sits at $3,943.34.

September 7th, 2023:
- Disney ends the day it dipped below $80 at $80.57 per share.
- S&P 500 is $4,451.14.

Disney's loss in that time: $116.59 per share or -40.87%
S&P 500's gain in that time: $507.80 or +12.88%

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Math seems off.
Methinks 116.59 / 197.16 would be closer to a 59.13% loss. Or -59.13%

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 09/05/2023] NOTE: The studios and The-Nubmers didn't bother getting anything updated until late Tuesday night, so I'm not going to bother doing all the hard work and getting legitimate numbers for the Holiday weekend either. Numbers on the Disney list and the Worldwide lists will include Labor Day, so next week's update will be back to normal but only include the 6 days after Labor Day.

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/05.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,321,673 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/05.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,321,673 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,321,673 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,416,531 (224% of Production Budget)
*Lost $366,750 from last week. 09/05.
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/28.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,416,531
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,583,469

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/05.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $479,012,750 (240% of Production Budget)
*Up $10,492,554 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $10,243,087 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$79,012,750
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$20,987,250


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $371,019,615 (124% of Production Budget)
*Down $385,967 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $192,615 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$228,980,385
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$378,980,385

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,234,505 (50% of Production Budget)
*Up $604,899 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $201,698 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,765,495
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,765,495

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $100,258,257 (63% of Production Budget)
*Up $8,715,196 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $6,283,542 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$215,741,743
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$294,741,743

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$65,756,533
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$766,256,533

*Additional money needed to break even for all released films is $700,500,000 for 2.5x RoT over 2.0x RoT

YET TO BE RELEASED:

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 09/11/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/11.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $844,321,673 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/11.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$344,321,673 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$219,321,673 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $561,225,855(224% of Production Budget)
*Lost $190,676 from last week. 09/11.
*Lost $366,750 from last week. 09/05.
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/28.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week on international numbers 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$61,225,855
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$63,774,145

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/11.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $476,983,705 (238% of Production Budget)
*Lost $2,029,045 from last week as of 09/11.
*Up $10,492,554 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $10,243,087 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$76,983,705
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$23,016,295


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $370,483,731 (123% of Production Budget)
*Down $535,884 from last week as of 09/11.
*Down $385,967 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $192,615 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$229,516,269
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$378,516,269

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,234,505 4,384,920(50% of Production Budget)
*Up $150,415 from last week as of 09/11.
*Up $604,899 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $201,698 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,615,080
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,615,080

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $101,070,407 (64% of Production Budget)
*Up $812,150 from last week as of 09/11.
*Up $8,715,196 from last week as of 09/05.
*Up $6,283,542 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$215,741,743
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$294,741,743

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$66,737,423
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$767,237,423


YET TO BE RELEASED:

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

---

Quote:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 09/18/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/18.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*Gained $1,147,071 from last week. 09/18.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $569,479,614 (228% of Production Budget)
*Gained $8,253,759 from last week. 09/18.
*Lost $190,676 from last week. 09/11.
*Lost $366,750 from last week. 09/05.
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/28.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week. 08/21.


Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$69,479,614 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$55,520,386 [FINAL]

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/18.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $484,194,521 (242% of Production Budget)
*Gained $7,210,816 from last week as of 09/18.
*Lost $2,029,045 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $10,492,554 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $10,243,087 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$84,194,521
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,805,479


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $382,587,423 (127% of Production Budget)
*Gained $12,103,692 from last week as of 09/18.
*Lost $535,884 from last week as of 09/11.
*Lost $385,967 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $192,615 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$217,412,577
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$367,412,577

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,485,687 (50% of Production Budget)
*Gained $100,767 from last week as of 09/18.
*Gained $150,415 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $604,899 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $201,698 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,514,313
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,514,313

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $106,574,978 (68% of Production Budget)
*Gained $5,504,571 from last week as of 09/18.
*Gained $812,150 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $8,715,196 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $6,283,542 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$209,425,022
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$288,425,022

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$83,020,471
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$113,020,471

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$115,437,218
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$845,937,218

YET TO BE RELEASED:

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 09/25/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760

NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures.

However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now.

For more information on this, look earlier in the thread.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/25.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/25.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]

The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $569,146,430 (228% of Production Budget)
*Lost $333,184 from last week. 09/25.
*Gained $8,253,759 from last week. 09/18.
*Lost $190,676 from last week. 09/11.
*Lost $366,750 from last week. 09/05.
*Gained $408,214 from last week. 08/28.
*Lost $1,625,041 from last week. 08/21.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$69,146,430 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$55,853,570 [FINAL]

The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last week as of 09/25.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]

Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $484,194,521 481,879,982(241% of Production Budget)
*Lost $2,314,539 from last week as of 09/25.
*Gained $7,210,816 from last week as of 09/18.
*Lost $2,029,045 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $10,492,554 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $10,243,087 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$81,879,982
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$18,120,018


Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $381,466,675(127% of Production Budget)
*Lost $1,120,748 from last week as of 09/25.
*Gained $12,103,692 from last week as of 09/18.
*Lost $535,884 from last week as of 09/11.
*Lost $385,967 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $192,615 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$218,533,325
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$368,533,325

Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,559,409 (63% of Production Budget)
*Gained $73,722 from last week as of 09/25.
*Gained $100,767 from last week as of 09/18.
*Gained $150,415 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $604,899 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $201,698 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,514,313
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,514,313

Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $107,813,643 (68% of Production Budget)
*Gained $1,238,665 from last week as of 09/25.
*Gained $5,504,571 from last week as of 09/18.
*Gained $812,150 from last week as of 09/11.
*Gained $8,715,196 from last week as of 09/05.
*Gained $6,283,542 from last week as of 08/28.

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$208,186,357
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$287,186,357

A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $71,555,511 (120% of Production Budget)
*Gained $34,575,982 from last weekend. 09/25

Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$48,444,489
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$78,444,489

TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$83,317,320
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$813,817,320

YET TO BE RELEASED:

The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago.
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-
the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget:
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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Quote:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are there even any franchise brands that Disney hasn't destroyed yet?

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After looking completely dominant when it posted a $3.74 billion year at the domestic box office in 2019, Disney has been the number 2 studio every year since. This weekend was their last chance to catch up with Universal, which will win the race in 2023. Finishing second is hardly a disaster in many ways, but it’s clear Disney has some significant rethinking to do across its business. Its success with Disney+ has clearly come at a cost to its theatrical business.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 11/15/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760

The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805

NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.

The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]


The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*Lost $801,382 since last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]


The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]


Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $486,153,324 (243% of Production Budget)
*Gained $1,958,803 since last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$13,846,676
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$86,153,324


Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: 381,579,529 (127% of Production Budget)
*Gained $112,854 from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$368,420,471
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$218,420,471


Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,638,099 (58% of Production Budget)
*Gained $78,690 from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,361,901
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,361,901


Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $114,813,700 (73% of Production Budget)
*Gained $7,000,057 since last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$280,186,300
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$201,186,300


A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $113,092,330 (188% of Production Budget)
*Gained $41,536,819 from last update. (11/15)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,907,670
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$6,907,670


The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: $275,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Marvels-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $108,998,133 (40% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $111,370,508 (40% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$573,629,492
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$438,629,492


TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,336,058,582
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$556,711,906

YET TO BE RELEASED:


Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixa
r-dc/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD


CANCELLED DISNEY MOVIES:

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
[CANCELLED]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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ANDREW ROSS SORKIN, NY TIMES: Obviously you know that there's a public perception that -- and you are clarifying this now -- but there's a public perception that that was part of an apology tour, if you will. That this had been said online there was all of the criticism, there was advertisers leaving, we talked to Bob Iger today.

ELON MUSK: I hope they stop. Don't advertise.

SORKIN: You don't want them to advertise?

MUSK: No.

SORKIN: What do you mean?

MUSK: If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising - blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself.

SORKIN: But --

MUSK: Go. Fuck. Yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey, Bob, if you're in the audience.

SORKIN: Let me ask you then --

MUSK: That's how I feel. Don't advertise.

SORKIN: How do you think then about the economics of X, if part of the underlying model, at least today, maybe it needs to shift, maybe the answer is, it needs to shift away from advertising. if you believe that this is the one part of your business where you will be beholden to those who -- have this view --

MUSK: G. F. Y.

SORKIN: I understand that, but there's a reality, too. right? Linda Yaccarino [CEO of Twitter] is right here and she has to sell advertising.

MUSK: Absolutely, totally, look. Actually, what this advertising boycott is going to do is it's going to kill the company. And the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we will document it in great detail.

SORKIN: But those advertisers, I imagine, they're going to say, we didn't kill the company.

MUSK: Oh, yeah. Tell it to Earth.

SORKIN: But they're going to say -- they're going to say, Elon, that you killed the company, because you said these things and they were inappropriate things and they didn't feel comfortable on the platform, right? That's what they're doing to say.

MUSK: Let's see how Earth responds to that.

SORKIN: Something -- okay, this goes back to --

MUSK: We'll both make our cases and we'll see what the outcome is.

SORKIN: What are the economics of that for you? You have enormous resources. You can keep this company going for a long time. Would you keep it going for a long time, if there was no advertising?

MUSK: I mean, if the company fails because of an advertising boycott, it will fail because of an advertising boycott and that will be what bankrupts the company and that's what everybody on Earth will know.

SORKIN: What do you think, then of the -- it goes back to the idea of trust.

MUSK: It will be gone because of an advertising boycott.

SORKIN: But you recognize that some of these people are going to say they didn't feel comfortable on the platform, and I just wonder, I ask you, think about that --

MUSK: Tell it to the judge.

SORKIN: But the judge is going to be --

MUSK: The judge is the public.

SORKIN: And you think that the public is going to say that Disney is making a mistake?

MUSK: Yes.

SORKIN: And they're going to boycott Disney?

MUSK: They already are.

SORKIN: Well, there are some that are for lots of different reasons, but you think this is going to -- that you have the -- this goes to actually the interesting thing of power and leverage.

MUSK: Let the chips fall where they may. Let the chips fall where they may.

SORKIN: Can I ask why that is the approach? and I ask it, because you've been --

MUSK: What's the other approach?

SORKIN: You've been very particular about, I mean, the approach to Tesla, when you think about the engineering involved in that, the approach to SpaceX, the approach to some of the stuff you're doing with AI has been very specific, right? There's not, a "let the chips fall where they may" approach to those businesses, I don't think.

MUSK: No, we focus on making the best product. And Tesla's gotten to where it's gotten with no advertising at all... Tesla currently sells twice as much in terms of electric vehicles, than the rest of all the electric carmakers in the United States combined. Tesla has done more to help the environment than all other companies combined. It would be fair to say that as the leader of the company, I've done more for the environment than everyone -- any single human on Earth.

SORKIN: How do you feel about that?

MUSK: How do I feel about that?

SORKIN: No, I'm asking you personally how you feel about that, because we are talking about power and influence --

MUSK: I'm saying what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil. Fuck them.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Rumor has it that there's a hostile takeover at Disney and Bob Iger is stepping down.

And it wasn't presented by Doomcock and his "spies", so there might actually be some legitimacy to it this time.

Could be interesting.

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CAPTION BELOW THE BIG SCARY GRAPH SHOWING PLUMMETING NUMBERS:

The repercussions of Musk’s strong words were felt immediately, with reports emerging that Disney’s stock had suffered a hit, shedding market capitalization following Musk’s remarks. This added a financial dimension to the broader implications of his statements, demonstrating the weight and influence of his words on the stock market and investor sentiment.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 11/27/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760

The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805

NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.

The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.

I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.



Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]


The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*Lost $801,382 since last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]


The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]


Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $486,753,774 (243% of Production Budget)
*Gained $600,450 since last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$13,246,226
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$86,753,774

Chevalier [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (June 16th, 2023)
Production Budget: $46,000,000
source: https://bestmoviecast.com/chevalier-2023-cast-release-date-plot-budget
-box-office-trailer/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $1,521,288 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,864,206 (9% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$111,135,794 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$88,135,794 [FINAL]


Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $381,561,976 (127% of Production Budget)
*Lost $17,553 from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$368,438,024
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$218,438,024


Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,640,110 (58% of Production Budget)
*Gained $2,011 from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,359,890
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,359,890


Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $114,797,989 (73% of Production Budget)
*Lost $15,711 since last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$280,202,011
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$201,202,011


A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $113,481,543 (188% of Production Budget)
*Gained $389,213 from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,518,457
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$6,518,457


The Creator [20th Century Studios] (September 29th, 2023)
Production Budget: $80,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Creator-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $32,300,000 (40% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $99,032,017 (124% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$100,967,983 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$60,967,983 [FINAL]


The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: $275,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Marvels-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $108,998,133 (40% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $186,927,954 (68% of Production Budget)
*Gained $75,557,446 from last update. (11/27)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$500,572,046
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$363,072,046


Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $10,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Next-Goal-Wins-(US-Film)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $2,500,295 (30% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $5,659,837 (60% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$19,340,163
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$14,340,163

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wish-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $48,907,681 (25% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $48,907,681 (25% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$451,092,319
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$351,092,319




TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,944,578,985
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$908,578,985

YET TO BE RELEASED:


Poor Things [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

All Of Us Strangers [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD



CANCELLED DISNEY MOVIES:

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
[CANCELLED]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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