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I used to watch a Scottish police show (Taggart) when I just moved to France - the English they speak in that has a really distinctive accent (they're from Glasgow), and my friend told me that in French they choose actors to dub it with strong southern French accents.

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Oh dude, if you think Wash sounds bad, you should hear the voice they used for the Rock in french version of Doom. I seriously think it was a 10 year old girl.

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different versions of Serenity in Quebecois French and French French - is that true? I started learning French in Canada (Nova Scotia - now Acadian French, that's something), but then lived in France, so I'm really into finding out the differences between the two.

How good is the dubbing in Serenity / Firefly?

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I used to watch a Scottish police show (Taggart) when I just moved to France - the English they speak in that has a really distinctive accent (they're from Glasgow), and my friend told me that in French they choose actors to dub it with strong southern French accents.

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Originally posted by allarticulate:
Malcom "Badly" Reynolds

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Y ahora... los chalecos marrones.

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Durante años, se podía ser trekkie, jedi o incluso echar de menos al profesor Robinson de Perdidos en el espacio.

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Ahora, existe una nueva tendencia, todavía desconocida en España: los chalecos marrones.

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Así se autodenominan los fanáticos de la serie Firefly.

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Su presión y su unión consiguieron que saliera adelante el proyecto de Serenity. ¡Frikis al poder!

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Something about... adoring? The something of Serenity... project, I think, I'll have to double-check... yes, that means project. Argh. I really, really, really need to study more...

Er... so, does it match up pretty well?


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In case you're interested:

German Trailers:
http://trailer.uip.de/serenity/trailer.html


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Yes there are Fireflyfans all over the world. Even in little switzerland.

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Originally posted by allarticulate:
babelfish translation!


*****
Badly

At the school of the future elites, the young person To rivet proclamation since always a savage independence of mind.

Telepathic faculties and the gifts of warlike that it developed before the seventeen years age worry the leaders. Those chose to put the teenager at the secrecy. A medical team consequently endeavours to model her spirit and to suppress her "bad tendencies" by

the daily administration of
drugs surpuissantes...


sleuthhound

Fleeing the vessels of Alliance, Mal gains the borders of the galaxy where grinds the barbarian tribe and cannibal of the "Reavers".
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"Sleuthhound"

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Runa27 wrote: Friday, October 28, 2005 19:06
This makes me wonder now whether there are different Spanish dubs as well, as there are a LOT of different accents. I wonder what the R1 Spanish dub is like for the film or series, anybody know? *doesn't speak French, but is interested in dubs to begin with* A better question, actually - how well does it/do they match up to the translation/feel of the English dialogue? Because I've learning Spanish and would like to practice it, but I'm not 100% capable of keeping up with Spanish dubs yet (I'm usually lucky to get the gist of of a scene or single line in a scene), so I'm wondering if it would work if I watched the Spanish dub with English subs (I have the box set now, so I could do that)?

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This makes me wonder now whether there are different Spanish dubs as well, as there are a LOT of different accents. I wonder what the R1 Spanish dub is like for the film or series, anybody know? *doesn't speak French, but is interested in dubs to begin with* A better question, actually - how well does it/do they match up to the translation/feel of the English dialogue? Because I've learning Spanish and would like to practice it, but I'm not 100% capable of keeping up with Spanish dubs yet (I'm usually lucky to get the gist of of a scene or single line in a scene), so I'm wondering if it would work if I watched the Spanish dub with English subs (I have the box set now, so I could do that)?
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First off, if you ever wondered what they do to the Chinese in Firefly DVD translations, the words are kept in Mandarin only if what is said can’t be guessed. This means that the longer phrases are in Chinese, but most of the other words are not. Thus, there is no “gorram,” no “dong ma,” and no “pieces of go-se.”

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All these words are translated to Spanish directly from the Chinese.

The translation also affected some character names. The most obvious is Mal, which changed to Mel. Strangely enough, Malcolm stays the same. I understand that this is because “mal” [pronounced mahl] means bad in the Latin as River pointed out; this holds true for Spanish as well. Still, all they had to do was to keep the original pronunciation, and problem solved. Also, it is curious to note that Jayne’s name changed to Jay-nee which makes no sense since it only adds a syllable to the name, and makes things a little more difficult for the Spanish-speaking actors to lip sync.

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The worst of the name changing, however, is River’s. Her name stays the same, but is pronounced in Spanish, making it sound exactly like “Reaver.”

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Now in some episodes the word Reaver keeps its English pronunciation, so the River/Reaver use is quite confusing. In other episodes, such as Bushwhacked, “Reaver” is translated as a derivation of “to rip” or “to tear” so this isn’t a problem. But it does confuse people who had first heard of bad guys called Reavers and then suddenly started hearing of “Rippers.”

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Sloppy translation is rampant. As examples, the “Tam Estate” in Safe is the “Tam State.”

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Zoe’s famous line “I think you have a problem with your brain being missing” becomes “I think you have an enormous brain tumor.”

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There are mistakes in just about every scene- the ones that bother me the most are fundamental changes in the script. For example, according to the Train Job- Spanish version, Inara has been on the ship for 18 months, not 8, as in the original version.

Badger loses his accent, so the moment in Shindig where River speaks like him is completely lost on the audience.

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Train heists aren’t “easy as lyin’,” only “simple.” There are no “purplebellies,” no one is “bound by law,” and the “hands of blue” are just hands.

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The list goes on and on. It isn’t a matter of there not being a good word to use in Spanish for the jargon- to me this smacks of pure laziness and unprofessionalism from the translators.

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I haven’t had the heart to keep watching much in Spanish after Shindig. Who knows what further sacrilege I might find?

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As a fan of the series and as a native Spanish speaker, I hate what was done to Firefly during translation, and can almost certainly predict we won’t be converting any exclusively Spanish speakers based on this mediocre dubbing job. After all, I think most of us can agree that one of the best parts of Firefly is the dialogue- to ruin that is to ruin the whole show.

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Finally, as I was writing this it occurred to me that I hadn’t seen any episodes with the Spanish subtitles on. Therefore, I put on my favorite episode, Shindig, and read my way through it. Thankfully, the written translation does NOT match the spoken one. I am happy to report that although there are several mistakes (e.g. “water planets” are “watery planets” and the short Chinese phrases get ignored again), for the most part it is translated well and its quality is way above that of the translation used for dubbing. Shiny is actually “shiny” and although Captain Tightpants is Captain Fittedpants, this actually works.

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Oh, and RUNA27, since you made such a nice effort on translating that article, here are the full translations of your quotes. Nice work! I've taught Spanish so I can really appreciate a hard-working student. So, just for you:

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Aw, thanks! I hope to someday be reasonably fluent in both Spanish and Japanese. Well, and to speak some Romanian, but that's because I'm weird (though Romanian IS pretty! Genuinely shiny, I say! Like Italian meets Spanish, Latin and Russian. SO pretty!). :P

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"Y ahora... los chalecos marrones."
And now... the Brownvests.

I'm not sure about Spain, but over here in the Americas, a chaleco is a vest. A coat here would be abrigo. Hmmm... maybe we can use Abrigospardos? Too long... I'll have to think on that one.

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"Durante años, se podía ser trekkie, jedi o incluso echar de menos al profesor Robinson de Perdidos en el espacio."

For years, you could be a Trekkie, a Jedi or even miss Professor Robinson from "Lost in Space."

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Wow. It means "to pitch, to throw, to hurl, to fling". That's... definitely an idiom of some sort there. No wonder wasn't able to translate.

Don't suppose you could explain the idiom there? It'd be mighty helpful.

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"Ahora, existe una nueva tendencia, todavía desconocida en España: los chalecos marrones."
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(*How was that? Comprehensible?)

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Yeah, I thought it was something along those lines, though the verb conjugation got me a tad mixed up. When I took Spanish in high school, my second year teacher didn't do too well at teaching us verb forms, and when I got to college, I started off with Spanish 1 again, which only goes into present tense. So... I'm great on present tense, but anything else can be a mite difficult...

Hee, I just realized how much I've been talking like the "Bid Damn Heroes" today. My family and I watched two episodes of Firefly tonight ("Our Mrs. Reynolds" - which only I had seen at that point - and "Jaynestown", which I hadn't seen yet until tonight... probably my favorite episode so far! Hee!), and I've been talking like them ever since (minus the Chinese). I just realized I'm still doing it. *giggle* I'm sure none y'all mind, though.

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"Su presión y su unión consiguieron que saliera adelante el proyecto de Serenity. ¡Frikis al poder!"
Their pressure and unity made the Serenity project possible. All power to the frikis!"

"Frikis" is tricky. I'm pretty sure it comes from the word "freak" so it could be translated as a really, really devoted fan.

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Keep up the good work! ¡Buena suerte!

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