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I've heard some of the dialogue on that show (Cyber) is horrid. Anyone watch it?

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I can't.

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I can't.

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So we're in a consensus then. This show will be on to the end of frickin' time and awards out the wazoo

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've heard some of the dialogue on that show (Cyber) is horrid. Anyone watch it?

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I watched CSI off and on when William Petersen was there, he is such an awesome actor. I followed him from the movie Manhunter, which is a great psychological thriller a la Silence of the Lambs. I watched mainly because of him and Marg Helgenberger, and once he left the show, after 10 years, CSI went due south.

There are rumors he's returning for the show's finale, both he and Helgenberger.
So maybe there will be some smart writing for a change, there will definitely be some intelligent and talent-laden acting.

So there's a bit of good news - the show ending it's run and Petersen making an appearence. Now all we need is for our girl Melinda Clarke to show up and the circle will be complete.


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I watched CSI off and on when William Petersen was there, he is such an awesome actor. I followed him from the movie Manhunter, which is a great psychological thriller a la Silence of the Lambs. I watched mainly because of him and Marg Helgenberger, and once he left the show, after 10 years, CSI went due south.

There are rumors he's returning for the show's finale, both he and Helgenberger.
So maybe there will be some smart writing for a change, there will definitely be some intelligent and talent-laden acting.

So there's a bit of good news - the show ending it's run and Petersen making an appearence. Now all we need is for our girl Melinda Clarke to show up and the circle will be complete.


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I followed William L Petersen since To Live and Die in L.A.
Did you mean to say that Silence of the Lambs is the sequel to Manhunter? Or are you confused about that fact?
One of many reasons I loved Mulholland Falls: William L Petersen and Rob Lowe (very scarce and unpopular at that time) in their scenes to start the film and set the tone, and Melinda Clarke as well.

To be clear, none of the actors in this post are referred to in the title of thread, and I'm almost ashamed to include them under such heading - imagine the search results with such conflicting data.

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I watched CSI off and on when William Petersen was there, he is such an awesome actor. I followed him from the movie Manhunter, which is a great psychological thriller a la Silence of the Lambs. I watched mainly because of him and Marg Helgenberger, and once he left the show, after 10 years, CSI went due south.

There are rumors he's returning for the show's finale, both he and Helgenberger.
So maybe there will be some smart writing for a change, there will definitely be some intelligent and talent-laden acting.

So there's a bit of good news - the show ending it's run and Petersen making an appearence. Now all we need is for our girl Melinda Clarke to show up and the circle will be complete.


SGG

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I followed William L Petersen since To Live and Die in L.A.
Did you mean to say that Silence of the Lambs is the sequel to Manhunter? Or are you confused about that fact?
One of many reasons I loved Mulholland Falls: William L Petersen and Rob Lowe (very scarce and unpopular at that time) in their scenes to start the film and set the tone, and Melinda Clarke as well.

To be clear, none of the actors in this post are referred to in the title of thread, and I'm almost ashamed to include them under such heading - imagine the search results with such conflicting data.

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No confusion here Jake, just comparing notes on great films that resonate tonally. Being that Silence was released in 1991, I would say that Manhunter (1986) was the precursor for the genre (and underappreciated for it's time). It set the tone, literally, for Silence. It is, beyond question, one of the top thrillers of our time.

Here is the movie's description as depicted on Rotten Tomatoes:

"Manhunter, a rough precursor to Silence of the Lambs (which was also based on a novel by Thomas Harris), follows an FBI agent (William Petersen) who brings maniacal killers to justice by duplicating their mindset. The agent's last case, Dr. Hannibal Lektor (played here by Brian Cox), caused his early retirement, but he reactivates himself to solve a mystery involving a killer who murders entire families. The movie, like the Thomas Harris novel, is also known as Red Dragon."

Written and directed by Michael Mann, it remains, for me, one of the scariest and suspenseful movies of all time. It was ahead of it's time, and just 5 years later Jonathan Demme directs perhaps the most well-known crime/horror movie of the modern film era - Silence. I believe it owes much to the first of it's kind, Manhunter, both from novels written by Thomas Harris. Of course, years ago, I was unaware of Manhunter's background and story development. I am much more aware now, but ultimately, I know what I like.

So yes, Silence of the Lambs is a sequel of sorts to Manhunter, they are fraternal twins in Hollywood circles. So no, I'm not confused.

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A couple of things come to mind:

1- It's been years since I've seen To Live and Die in LA and Mulholland Falls; I have to re-watch those for perspective and to refresh my memory

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As an aside, it seems to me that ever since the writer's strike that the talent level in TV writing has suffered somewhat. It seems that if a show is well written and well received that it gets cancelled, but shows, in more recent times, have been so poorly written and produced they get rewarded. To quote a favorite character of ours; "Does that seem right to you?"


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Since you thought my "review" was so bad,

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Now, in our first example, SOTL and Manhunter, you picked on a sentence at the end of my "review" that pointed out how I felt SOTL was a "sequel of sorts" (actually, you overreacted) and you proceeded to launch into a hissy fit, of sorts (you see what I did there?). Anyway, allow me to retort:

Does the main character appear in the second movie?

Although similarly themed, Will Graham, our Manhunter, does not appear in the second movie, in our case study SOTL.

Next.

Does the story continue?

Although similarly themed, we do have a new Manhunter, Clarice Starling (the story is from her point of view, quite literally), we have a different story - the hunt and capture of Buffalo Bill.

The precursor to CSI, that's where this all started.

The Connection:

What confuses you is the connection of the characters Dr. Chilton, Agent Crawford and Dr. Hannibal Lector with both films - Manhunter and SOTL.
That's why, for me, the two films have a link to one another, hence my initial thought that this is a hybrid, or "sort of" a sequel.

There are those that would call all of this so much bullshit, but that's their problem - I do not give a shyte! Each man's opinion is his own. After all, we live in a free society - do we not!

Now, you may try to dismantle my opinion, if you so choose. It matters not, for they're my thoughts on the matter and you have yours, for me there is no argument because we each believe as we do. Nothing either of us say will change the mind or heart of the other. By the way, I do see your point, but did you see mine. You picked a sentence, one, out of what I said without having mentioned the paragraphs preceding that particular comment.

No mention of "precursor" or "It set the tone" or "it owes much to the first of it's kind, Manhunter," Like little bread crumbs left behind for Hansel & Gretel, these were clues to my conclusive end statement that "sort of" is as close as it gets; "just a bit outside" "Oooooo, so close" but not quite. Of course, there's no accounting for taste.

Well, have at it there Irving!


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