F*X does it again... x-men 3 by minime

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F*X does it again... x-men 3

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UPDATED: Tuesday, February 8, 2005 07:27
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Friday, February 4, 2005 9:21 PM

I am a huge fan of x-men... well, I guess on the scale of x-men fans, I have no tattoos, so I can't be that serious, but anyway. Loved the movies, and am upset that it looks like our favourite studio ever looks set to mess up x-men. They lost their director to superman, and look set to lose some actors to the same... grr. yuck. horrible people. can't get anything right.

ok. end of senseless rant.

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Friday, February 4, 2005 9:40 PM

ANOTHERFIREFLYFAN

Ok, question - what does this have to do with FOX?

[the network responsible for cancelling so many good shows]

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Friday, February 4, 2005 9:59 PM

MINIME

Fox are the studio behind x-men
realise this is a slightly different issue to the TV thing and apologise for my ranting and raving.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 2:24 AM

GROUNDED

Who exactly have they lost? I saw Storm was a possible cut but then she was pretty pointless anyway.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 6:47 AM

TOMANTA

Well, first it's 20th Century Fox, not Fox TV, that is doing X-men 3. One makes movies, the other just puts other people's work on TV.

Second, they can't force people to do a movie, although I'd be surprised if most of the major cast members don't have it in their contract, most should have signed on to do at least two more. I don't find a few cast members being in Superman a big deal, they can do both movies. Directors tend to have a lot more work to do on films than actors.

Even if they do lose a few actors it's not like there is a big loss. There's still a ton of characters to draw from.

I've taken a wait-and-see approach. It's all in who the creative team on the movie is going to be. I have faith in the movie studio. I generally haven't had any complaints with them recently.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 7:47 AM

INSANESPIKE

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Who exactly have they lost? I saw Storm was a possible cut but then she was pretty pointless anyway.

The latest rumors that I've heard going around is that James Marsden, the actor who played Cyclops in the first two movies, has all but been removed from the third film. Apparently, there's some bad blood between X-Men 3 and Superman, stemming from the fact that Bryan Singer left the X-Men franchise to go to Superman. Thus, when Marsden accepted a small role in the Superman film, the people behind X-Men 3 decided to get rid of him for that reason. Theres also talk that Famke Jansen, who played Jean Grey, has talked to Singer about a role in Superman, and if she decides to take it, she could be removed as well.

Forgive me if I got any of this wrong, but I know I read this somewhere lol.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 9:49 AM

SIMONWHO

Wasn't Cyclops all but removed from X-Men 2? It's not like he would have been missed if his role had been cut entirely.

It's interesting that Alan Cumming certain doesn't seem unhappy that Singer has left the project. Perhaps he got tired of tantrums from his stars (looks suspiciously at Halle Berry).

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 10:30 AM

INSANESPIKE

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Wasn't Cyclops all but removed from X-Men 2? It's not like he would have been missed if his role had been cut entirely.

I guess you've got a point there. But that was because the first two films revolved mainly around Wolverine. Supposedly, the third film is going to have a lot to do with Jean Grey returning as the Phoenix. So needless to say, if Famke Jansen gets cut as well for taking a part in Superman, that's going to really throw a wrench in things. And if you think about it, if the next story is supposed to revolve around Jean Grey, Cyclops would most likely have an increased role as well.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:49 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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I guess you've got a point there. But that was because the first two films revolved mainly around Wolverine. Supposedly, the third film is going to have a lot to do with Jean Grey returning as the Phoenix. So needless to say, if Famke Jansen gets cut as well for taking a part in Superman, that's going to really throw a wrench in things.

Quick business reality check here. If Famke Jansen and James Marsden signed options for X-Men 3, and it's shoot conflicts with anything they sign later, tough noogies. If the X-Men producers had that option, they would likely exercise it - the reality appears to be that they signed most people for the first 2, and messed up on options on many of the cast beyond that (point of fact - Maguire, Dunst and, I believe, Raimi I only optioned for 3 Spidey movies).

Fact is this - there isn't a locked script, the shoot is meant to start June (has to, as it has a locked down release date as well) so things remain in the air. They seem to be going the Dark Phoenix route, which would seem to require Cyclops, but the fact is he is one of the less popular characters in both comics and films - most people that saw the first two movies wouldn't miss him.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 1:14 PM

GUNRUNNER

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Originally posted by InsaneSpike:
They seem to be going the Dark Phoenix route, which would seem to require Cyclops, but the fact is he is one of the less popular characters in both comics and films - most people that saw the first two movies wouldn't miss him.

I think they might squeeze Wolverine in to that role since he has the hots for her.

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 12:10 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

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I think they might squeeze Wolverine in to that role since he has the hots for her.

Dark Horizons appears to confirm my theory - Ashmore has been told the two films clash, and has to do X-Men. Marsden on the other hand wasn't signed for 2 sequels so Cyclops will have to be re-cast or dropped.

Have to say, in this modern movie world where the trilogy for event movies seems the done thing (the law of diminishing returns versus growing budgets taking over thereafter in general), why they didn't option all the actors for 3 is beyong me.

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 2:27 PM

GROUNDED

If they can't get Jean or Cyclops back then they should just go for a different story instead of Phoenix. They have plenty of stuff to draw on...

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 4:51 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

I don't really mind if they recast - Jean's could even be explained as resurrecting herself in a younger body (not that Famke Janssen's old per se, but she was noticeably older than Cyclops which made it seem a little odd)... as for Cyclops... well, frankly, I don't think James Marsden's really distinctive enough to have the edge on the role especially since the upper portion of his face is covered much of the time.

However, if they do the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix story, Cyclops has to be there IMHO - the story doesn't work with Wolverine in his place.

There are other stories that can be done, but none that really have the iconic status that Dark Phoenix does - if they don't go this route, I'd rather they try to come up with a completely new story (or maybe even lift the idea of 'The Cure' from Whedon's run on Astonishing, although go in a different direction since a lot of the elements in the story wouldn't work).

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 4:58 PM

TOMANTA

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Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
(or maybe even lift the idea of 'The Cure' from Whedon's run on Astonishing, although go in a different direction since a lot of the elements in the story wouldn't work).

That would be a great storyline. Maybe intertwine it with something like the Legacy Virus... with the cure being like a vaccination.

Turns out both were created at the same time as a way to get rid of mutants (either they die or are stripped of their powers).

Could be a good way to introduce Moria McTaggert and a host of mutant cameos.

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 5:07 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Other plots I wouldn't mind seeing from the books:

1) The Morlock Massacre. I was a kid when this happened, and remember reading elements of it vividly. I don't think it'd be fodder for a movie though because it's not 'a big concept' - it's basically just a rescue mission from the X-Men of minor mutants. Maybe it would be best saved for like a 4th movie when most of the cast have moved on and nobody really _expects_ the movie to be great, so they have more fun with it (and cast some minor characters like the New Mutants or something).

2) Days of Future Past - Have to be modified, of course, because of things in the first two movies, but it could be hard for the public to take because of the 'time travel' aspect - the 'glimpse at a dystopian future that must be prevented at all cost' is an element that's been so overused by nearly every SF show it's become cliche.

3) Something involving Genosha might work -
First movie was protecting the humans from a fringe element of mutants, second movie was protecting the mutants from a fringe element of humans bent on extermination, third movie could be a glimpse at a state where persecution of mutants is the norm - maybe even, over the course of the movie, have Magneto take over to get both sides of the coin. Doubt it could be accomplished, but you never know.

You could work, say, the Hellfire Club as antagonists into a plotline without Phoenix being involved, but I'm not in favour of it.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 4:37 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Just announced that Famke Janssen will be doing
X-Men 3:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/news.php?id=6742

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 5:42 AM

JADEHAND

I recall a big noise being made by the stars when they started X2, and the studio removed Bryan Singer. Seems they didn't want to do the film without him. (from what I heard, could be wrong) now they follow him to a different film? Seems the studio should get a clue and do what is neccesary to get Singer back on board, as he is likey the second best director out there. (slot #1 reserved for Joss). Or on that note, introduce the cast to Joss.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:07 AM

ZEEK

Eh....I guess having the Jean chick back is ok.

I wouldn't have minded a recast though. She just doesn't play a good Jean to me.

I'm also worried about X3 going too over the top for most people. X-men and X2 were semi-believable stories. Basically accepting mutants and a few out there machines is all people had to do.

Now if they have phoenix flying off to fight aliens I think a lot of people are just going to turn away from the movie. It will probably still be successful but not as well as it could have been.

Hopefully if they do something with phoenix they will make it a much smaller story.

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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:27 AM

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Oh yeah, if they do Phoenix I can't imagine them NOT changing it and making it almost exclusively Earth-central.

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