Cast you vote: Will Superman Returns fly? by chrisisall

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Cast you vote: Will Superman Returns fly?

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Saturday, June 24, 2006 15:13
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Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:02 PM

Y'all must have seen the ads, what do you think?

I vote: it'll be way better than Superman 3, but not quite as good as 1 or 2.

And hopin' I'm wrong Chrisisall, with the cape and such

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:43 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

Chris, ANYTHING is better than 3.

(and let us never mention 4)

But aside from Lois and Lex, things look ok.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:45 PM

TMURRIE

Well I'm not a Superfan(Superman fan) anyway, so I guess my opinion, and this post, are pretty useless.

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:45 PM

MONKSDAD

if the critics have anything to say about it, it will fly.. as good or better than spiderman

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:32 PM

RHODRI

I think it'll be a huge success given the recent trends.

It also helps that they've got a Chris Reeve look alike!

Now HE was Superman!

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:50 PM

SERENITYSEEKER

Never been the biggest fan of the DC Comics myself, but I think this movie is gonna rock. With Bryan Singer directing, I think he could pull out a big, if not the biggest, blockbuster of the summer. I think I'm gonna try to see a screening of it in that IMAX 3D thing. Now that'll rock.

Keep flyin'.

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Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:09 PM

SIMONWHO

It's funny, the internet hype has been almost relentlessly negative against it but the critical acclaim after the first screening suggests we have a real contender here.

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Friday, June 23, 2006 8:37 AM

CHRISISALL

Well, I think it'll be worth it, if only for Spacey's Lex.

No one can ever replace Reeve *snif* Chrisisall

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Friday, June 23, 2006 10:51 AM

NEEDY

The road to Hel is paved with good intentions

I'm really hoping it's awesome
I wasn't one of those fans that were in an uproar about the changes to the suit (get over it already), but that's not to say I'm backing it no matter what
I loved the teaser trailer but the actual trailer got me worried slightly. Lois and son are kidnapped by Lex Luthor. I kinda just rolled my eyes at that - yes you've got to put the characters in peril, I just hope it's not going to be cliche after cliche
Also, not sure about Spacey as Lex.
He's a great actor, and the worry is nothing to do with his capabilities, but what the take on the character is going to be like.
My favourite on-screen Lex is Smallville's Michel Rosenbaum.
I didn't like the way the character was in the Reeve movies, played by Gene Hackman, because he just seemed like a fool, surrounding himself with buffoons - hardly seemed like the criminal mastermind, and complex character he should be.
I know it was played for laughs, but I thought it made him less appealing as a character.
I just hope Spacey's is more Smallville Lex and not so much Hackman's

That being said, it is being done by Bryan Singer and I think, after making two great X-men movies, he is certainly capable of making a worthy Superman flick

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Friday, June 23, 2006 11:35 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by NEEDY:
it is being done by Bryan Singer and I think, after making two great X-men movies, he is certainly capable of making a worthy Superman flick

Uhhhh...
One great and one okay; X2 was really hard to watch in spots. Wolverine knocked out by a .22 to the skull??? I would have ricochetted off and left a fast-healing scratch!!! Pyro=Firestarter, X-jet=Firefox, fights=Matrix Reloaded, Professor X

ed up AGAIN!!!...
I was a little insulted.
The first one was a little more original...

80's X-Men reader Chrisisall

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Friday, June 23, 2006 11:48 AM

MER

I seriously think it won't do good. But then again I've always had a great hatred toward Superman.

Also the costume and special effects unsettles me. He looks too plastic. EVERYBODY looks too plastic judging from the trailer...well except for Spacy.

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Friday, June 23, 2006 2:07 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA

For me Spacey's Lex is too close a resemblance to the cameo he did as Doctor Evil in Austin Powers: Gold Member. I realize it's not fair to compare the two but that's the first thing that came to mind when I saw him.

Bringing Spacey in was the same reason they brought in Hackman, for the star power because the suits weren't certain an unknown actor could carry the film (which of course Reeves did, and blew the others away. Even the overpaid over rated Brando.) I see the same scenario here. Having said that, I will be giving it the benefit of the doubt.

But Lane bothers me. They should have gone for someone closer to Margot Kidder (who is the ultimate Lois Lane) and she has a kid? WTF? Set me straight here, isn't this supoosed to be AFTER the first film? When the hell did Lane have a kid? And an old one at that. All confused, will have to see the movie to understand.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

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Friday, June 23, 2006 8:25 PM

RUXTON

It will bomb terribly. Just a suspicion.

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Friday, June 23, 2006 9:37 PM

ROLAND19

I'm willing to lay my money on the table and say that it's going to be the biggest movie of the year. Probably not the best (Clerks II! Can't wait!), but everyone and their mother is going to see this movie, I guarantee it. They come no bigger than Superman (again, there are better characters, but Superman's a friggin icon, people).

And yes, I'm taking my mother to see it.

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Friday, June 23, 2006 10:02 PM

REGINAROADIE

SUPERMAN RETURNS and CLERKS 2 are the two movies of the summer I'm looking forward too the most as well.

But as for SUPERMAN RETURNS, I'm gonna try my best to go in with no expectations so that I won't be dissapointed, but given Singer's track record, I'm kind of hoping that this could even top X2 as one of, if not THE, greatest comic book film ever.

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"There's only one "Return" ok, and it ain't "of the King", it's "of the Jedi."

"Maybe we should start calling your friend 'Padme' because he loves 'Mannequin Skywalker' so much, Right? (imitating robot) Danger...danger...my name is Anakin...my shitty acting is ruining saga."

Excerpt of internet teaser for CLERKS 2.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:20 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

I think Spacey will do just fine as far as acting is concerned. ...and I figured he got the part because of Spacey's break-out role in "Usual Suspects" which was directed by Bryan Singer.

I am concerned where Bryan will take it. I have to agree with CisA about X2. Although, given most comic book movies suck, it could have been MUCH MUCH worse. I only dream an X movie could come straight from the 80s pages.

Superman will be successful. Can't get a bigger draw for all ages than the Supes.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:31 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I very much agree that Michael Rosenbaum is an excellent Lex; he's really the best thing on that show. Good as Spacey is, I'm gonna miss him.
As for the guy they got to play Superman, I have to say I'm so far unimpressed. Not to say that Tom Welling is the best Superman ever, but he looks the part more than almost anyone else (Yes, I'm very sorry to the Christopher Reeves fans here; Welling has a stronger chin, he just does. Got that jutting jaw thing.) And this new guy looks like a generic dark-haired guy. It was like they lined up all the fairly tall, fairly well-built, dark haired struggling actors they could find and just pointed at one.
And I think Lois is too young. Esspecially if she has a kid. And what's that about, anyway?
The effects look very impressive, though. They can obviously do things with them that they couldn't for the older movies. I just hope that doesn't mean it's going to pull a Star Wars and the only thing worth watching will be the effects.
I'll not pass full judgement til I see it, which may or may not happen. My dad is the Superman fan, and he has misgivings about the movie as well. So if he sees it, I likely will too.
Will it fly? Probably.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:22 AM

NEEDY

The road to Hel is paved with good intentions

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by NEEDY:
it is being done by Bryan Singer and I think, after making two great X-men movies, he is certainly capable of making a worthy Superman flick

Uhhhh...
One great and one okay; X2 was really hard to watch in spots. Wolverine knocked out by a .22 to the skull??? I would have ricochetted off and left a fast-healing scratch!!! Pyro=Firestarter, X-jet=Firefox, fights=Matrix Reloaded, Professor X ed up AGAIN!!!...
I was a little insulted.
The first one was a little more original...

80's X-Men reader Chrisisall

No no no. X-Men was good, X2 was fantastic!
I felt that the first movie pretty much set up the universe - the plot wasn't that interesting (IMO) and the music was blah at best. It was the interaction between the characters that made the first movie worthy.
Of course, this is just my opinion as you have yours.
But for me, the only thing I didn't really like about X2 was its use of Cyclops - or misuse. I mean cmon, give the guy something to do! Having him take a backseat when Jean Grey was becoming integral to the story is just unforgivable... of course, his character was treated just as poorly in the third
Hopefully Bryan Singer has given James Marsden something worthwhile to do in Superman... but I doubt it

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:49 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by monksdad:
if the critics have anything to say about it, it will fly..

I think Serenity proved that they don't.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:04 AM

CHRISISALL

On the upside, it has Marlon Brando (er, sort of), the John Williams theme, and Singer's stated respect for Richard Donner's tone in Supe 1 and 2 (what Lester didn't

up, that is), so I guess it's worth a shot.

*crosses fingers*

Gee Mr. Luthor, my arm wasn't long enough Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:08 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by NEEDY:

No no no. X-Men was good, X2 was fantastic!

Just kidding, there was much to like, I just found the first one to be refreshing (PLUS, the Michael Kamen peerless score), and the second was good, like sort of Daredevil good, which ain't that bad- I just demand a lot sometimes.

Bamph Chrisisall

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:00 AM

RUXTON

PhoenixRose,

I wholeheartedly agree about Welling, and about Michael Rosenbaum as well. If anyone was born to a part, it's Rosenbaum as Lex. (That said, I think the TV show seriously needs better writing and plots. Too much of it is unreal, like the perpetual low camera angles and the refusal of so many characters to say anything in situations when any real person would. Little thinks, like "Thank you," or "You bet." Instead, we get poignant glaring, and too many stormings out of rooms. All way overdone. Oughta rename it Superboor.)

I too never really liked the look of Mr. Reeves, for some reason. He didn't quite match my ages-old impression of the first Superman comics. And the new guy looks too much like Reeves.

I do admit to curiousity about Kevin Spacey in the Lex role.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:13 PM

CYBERSNARK

I'm looking forward to it.

Smallville offends me though, as a fan. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the production is fine, it's just not Clark Kent.

My beefs:
-Smallville is not within an hour of Metropolis (that was the whole point; Metropolis is too far away for anyone except Clark to get there and back quickly).
-It's less about Clark Kent than it is about Young Superman, with his entire rogues gallery, Perry White, Lois Lane, the Daily Planet, two members of the future JLA, the Fortress of Solitude, and as many anachronistic references as the writers can shoehorn in.
-Smallville is entirely too hip and modern.
And, a personal beef:
-Lex Luthor is not a spoiled rich kid! This reimagining effectively guts one of the coolest villains in comics; Lex Luthor never inherited anything from anyone. He was born in Metropolis (and likely wouldn't even know a place called Smallville exists if not for that Daily Planet reporter), in an area called Hobb's Bay, commonly called "Suicide Slum." His mom was typically drunk, and his dad just wasn't an issue. Grew up in an orphanage, with nothing more than what he could beg, borrow, or steal from the other kids. He was a shrimp, always picked on and abused. This made him hard, cunning, and ruthless. One day, he offered to shine shoes for pennies. That first penny was the start of Lexcorp. Everything that Lex Luthor has, he earned, with blood, sweat, and tears.

Metropolis is his city. He made it what it is, with his own hands. Lexcorp revitalized it, brought in infrastructure, compelled STARlabs to open up their main offices, made the Daily Planet and Galaxy Broadcasting into world-leading media sources. . .

That's why he hates Superman so much. The Kryptonian is not just a usurper (claiming Metropolis as his own), but the antithesis of everything Lex is. Everything Superman has was given to him; his Kryptonian blood, his powers, his sense of honour and duty and pretention. He hasn't earned anything.

This is why the war between them won't end even when they're both long dead. It's a clash between irreconcilable powers. The Man and the Superman.

However good Michael Rosebaum's performance is (and I'm not denying that the kid can act, he's good), the character as reimagined for Smallville is fundamentally flawed --nothing more than a foil for Clark, instead of a true Nemesis.

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