The Hulk was way better than Superman Returns! by chrisisall

Hehe you had to do it didn't ya? ;)

There's plenty of stuff in Hulk that could have done with cutting/changing, but the utterly incoherent plot of SR is what drags it so far down for me.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:25 AM

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but the utterly incoherent plot of SR is what drags it so far down for me.

It had a plot. Huh. Is that better than a script?

It was a little...ambiguous Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:58 AM

Hulk was awful. I could barely sit through it. Come on Chris, you know it was terrible. At least there were a handful of crazy Lex scenes in SR. Neither make my top superhero movie list...okay, hero movies don't often work well in general...but Hulk was way worse than SR.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:07 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Hulk was awful. I could barely sit through it. Come on Chris, you know it was terrible.

My initial feeling was that I hated it. But now in thinking about it, it wasn't THAT bad, just not what I wanted. Same with SR, just not what I wanted. I come to these flicks with ALL this baggage, and sometimes I just have to drop it.
Really, Hulk wasn't as bad as you remember, was it?
If you see it without expectations, it's a different experience.
The poodle was a bit much, though...

Hulk kill doggie! Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:22 AM

I did indeed have a few expectations, but not many. I've come to not expect much from superhero movies. They so rarely work out well. You know? The last XMen movie, even BB was hard to watch in spots. Most often it's the director, but I've seen a few bad scripts as well. Maybe I'm jaded. Gah. I don't want to be jaded! I worry about WW. I love WW. I sure hope Joss knows what he is doing...

*runs off to watch Raimi because he has nothing to prove*

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:34 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
I've come to not expect much from superhero movies.

Have you seen the Director's Cuts of Daredevil or Superman 2? Those were good IMO. And Joss is THE PERFECT guy for WW, don't worry on it for a second!

All spandexed up and nowhere to go Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Hulk was awful. I could barely sit through it.

Flesh this out?

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:34 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

I know I'm in the minority ,but I loved The Hulk.Ang Lee's use of color was amazing .The acting was well done for a superhero movie & I enjoyed the effects. My kids loved it too,.

WW is my alltime favorite superhero & I'm thrilled that Joss ia at the helm.He'll do right by Diana .I have faith.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:
I know I'm in the minority ,but I loved The Hulk.Ang Lee's use of color was amazing.The acting was well done for a superhero movie

Okay, you convinced me. I'm actually gonna go out right now and pick me up a copy of it. I only did see it the once, I'm ready to accept the poodle and the extra-large sized green guy now.
EDIT: I got it. Gamma-rays and green skin 2-nite!

Chrisisall Banner

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Okay, you convinced me. I'm actually gonna go out right now and pick me up a copy of it. I only did see it the once, I'm ready to accept the poodle and the extra-large sized green guy now.
EDIT: I got it. Gamma-rays and green skin 2-nite!

Also, steel yourself for Nick Knolte hamming it up big style at the end ;)

I was kind of surprised people complained about the Hulk being too big. I always thought he was supposed to be huge, and the CGI was dead on. Maybe if I'd watched the TV serial I'd have expected him to look like Ferrigno instead...

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:

I was kind of surprised people complained about the Hulk being too big.

I just never saw him as being OVER 10 feet tall. Oh well, I've evolved beyond that.

Picard-like Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:24 PM

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Oh well, I've evolved beyond that.

Been messing around above the Warp 10 threshold?...

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:55 PM

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Been messing around above the Warp 10 threshold?...

Been flying where the air is too thin...

Rocketeer Chrisisall

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:24 PM

I can no longer recall the details of Hulk. I can only say that I was so moved by the not liking it that I posted a review on RottenTomatoes. I've blocked most of it from memory. Sorry.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:55 PM

CALLMEATH

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Originally posted by LittleAlbatross29:
I know I'm in the minority ,but I loved The Hulk.

I loved it, too. I honestly don't understand what people hated so much about it.

It's the same with 28 Days Later. People hate it, but it's one of my favorite movies. Maybe I just have bad taste.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:38 PM

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 09:22
I did indeed have a few expectations, but not many. I've come to not expect much from superhero movies. They so rarely work out well.

I too have come to not expect much from superhero movies and Superman Returns did fail to impress.. the one superhero movie which I think is an exception to the trend is Batman Returns. I really liked it and believe it sets the benchmark.

I didnt like Hulk.. even though Eric Bana rocks.

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:00 AM

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Originally posted by CallMeAth:
It's the same with 28 Days Later. People hate it, but it's one of my favorite movies. Maybe I just have bad taste.

Great movie :)

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
Hulk was awful. I could barely sit through it. Come on Chris, you know it was terrible. At least there were a handful of crazy Lex scenes in SR. Neither make my top superhero movie list...okay, hero movies don't often work well in general...but Hulk was way worse than SR.

RamblingIsAlltwg

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You know what I agree with every word.

Except I didn't even bother to watch Superman Returns.

As ever TWG gets it right everytime :D

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:20 AM

SIMONWHO

People hate 28 Days Later? Who are these wrong individuals and where must I turn up with red eyes to show them the error of their ways?

And Hulk was terrible. I had high expectations initially but by the time I saw it, I knew it was likely to be dreadful. It was, committing the cardinal crime of any movie: being boring. Some nice action sequences (and some poor ones) but ultimately, no. Just no.

Superman Returns, I enjoyed. Maybe could have done with a little more action but it's tricky when you have someone who is pretty much either invulnerable or as weak as a kitten. You need to give him an equal then things get interesting.

Still, Spacey + Posey were great fun to watch and the kid wasn't too annoying either.

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:21 AM

CALHOUN WROTE:

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... the one superhero movie which I think is an exception to the trend is Batman Returns.

AGREED!!! The best one out there!!!!!

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:24 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, I personally see them as sort of equal overall, but some on this board *cougroundedh* seem to feel otherwise. Was Hulk better? It certainly was more interesting and original. Am I letting a lot slide with SR just 'cause of Brando, and the 'S'? It's quite possible....

Gamma-ray Chrisisall

Having not seen Superman Returns I can't really comment, however I suspect the best thing about it may have been the fact that they sponsored the RED BULL F1 racing team during the Monaco Grand Prix, which wonderfully set-up the scene stealing image of David Coulthard going up to recieve his trophy on the third step of the podium wearing his Superman CAPE!!! Pure genuis!!!

As for the Hulk - well watching my nephew play with those giant green hands that went on sale may have been worth a film I suppose....

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:26 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, I personally see them as sort of equal overall, but some on this board *cougroundedh* seem to feel otherwise. Was Hulk better? It certainly was more interesting and original. Am I letting a lot slide with SR just 'cause of Brando, and the 'S'? It's quite possible....

I haven't even seen SR and I can already tell you you're off your nut. Hulk was worse than Dare Devil, a feat I never thought could be accomplished. If SR holds true, even a little bit, to the glory that was Superman I & II, than it will be better hands down.

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:33 AM

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Originally posted by thatweirdgirl:
I did indeed have a few expectations, but not many. I've come to not expect much from superhero movies. They so rarely work out well. You know? The last XMen movie, even BB was hard to watch in spots. Most often it's the director, but I've seen a few bad scripts as well. Maybe I'm jaded. Gah. I don't want to be jaded! I worry about WW. I love WW. I sure hope Joss knows what he is doing...

*runs off to watch Raimi because he has nothing to prove*

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Oh Joss is a different animal to most of the Superhero genre directors.

They're all trying to be auteur and the vanity that demands effects the final product. Have you noticed how during a films release there's always an interview with the director aswell as the actors. What's up with that?! I like my directors in the background, enigmatic and shadowy and mysterious. I don't want them being all rockstarish and in yar face!!

Bring back the old days when all you had were the actors being glammed up!

I want directors directing! Not slicing together an over expensive business card wrapped in an ego!

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:38 AM

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Monday, December 11, 2006 01:21
CALHOUN WROTE:
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... the one superhero movie which I think is an exception to the trend is Batman Returns.
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AGREED!!! The best one out there!!!!!

Oh dear.. I have made a terrible mistake! I meant to say Batman Begins. I hope you, TheSomnambulist, made the same?

Hehe..

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:43 AM

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... the one superhero movie which I think is an exception to the trend is Batman Returns.
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AGREED!!! The best one out there!!!!!

Oh dear.. I have made a terrible mistake! I meant to say Batman Begins. I hope you, TheSomnambulist, made the same?

Hehe..

DOH!!!

No mistake here I've not seen Batman Begins.

I tend to believe Devito's twisted turn as the Penguin is OSCAR worthy but hey that's me... I still wonder if baby camels have humps....

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Monday, December 11, 2006 6:42 AM

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Rocketeer

Now that was a good superhero movie!

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Monday, December 11, 2006 7:09 AM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Having not seen Superman Returns I can't really comment, however I suspect the best thing about it may have been the fact that they sponsored the RED BULL F1 racing team during the Monaco Grand Prix, which wonderfully set-up the scene stealing image of David Coulthard going up to recieve his trophy on the third step of the podium wearing his Superman CAPE!!! Pure genuis!!!

Heehee. Ric, you slay me. That was pure genius, great fun, and good marketing. More movies should do fun things like that.

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Oh Joss is a different animal to most of the Superhero genre directors.

They're all trying to be auteur and the vanity that demands effects the final product. Have you noticed how during a films release there's always an interview with the director aswell as the actors. What's up with that?! I like my directors in the background, enigmatic and shadowy and mysterious. I don't want them being all rockstarish and in yar face!!

Which is why I’m so pumped about WW. I think I talk about it more than I talked Serenity (not in my blog since that’s pretty much dead). When Hulk came out, part of the draw was Ang Lee. However, he got caught up in the swirl of himself just like the media and ‘experts’ did. It was too much I think. Perhaps that’s what some of the allure of Joss is...that everyman quality he has.

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Monday, December 11, 2006 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by CallMeAth:

I loved it, too. I honestly don't understand what people hated so much about it.

Got it yesterday, and I must say I had a grand time with it. Prepared for a movie that is talky and takes it's time, I was pretty much enthralled.

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It's the same with 28 Days Later. People hate it, but it's one of my favorite movies. Maybe I just have bad taste.

Well made flick, but I didn't like it too well. I had issues with the science, but that's just my Vulcan half....

It was not logical Chrisisall

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Monday, December 11, 2006 1:26 PM

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... the one superhero movie which I think is an exception to the trend is Batman Returns.
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AGREED!!! The best one out there!!!!!

Oh dear.. I have made a terrible mistake! I meant to say Batman Begins. I hope you, TheSomnambulist, made the same?

Hehe..

I agree, it's a mistake to say Batman Begins is better than Batman Returns.
Er, that is what y'all are sayin', isn't it?

Now I'm confused Chrisisall

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Monday, December 11, 2006 2:59 PM

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Monday, December 11, 2006 13:26

I agree, it's a mistake to say Batman Begins is better than Batman Returns.
Er, that is what y'all are sayin', isn't it?

No, thats not my contention. I think Batman Begins is the best superhero movie i've seen to date.

Just my opinion..

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Monday, December 11, 2006 3:24 PM

SERGEANTX

I'm sort of suprised that Superman Returns wasn't better received. It was my favorite Superman by far. I didn't see Hulk, but it didn't look particularly interesting. Maybe I'll rent it and compare.

SergeantX

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:50 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'm sort of suprised that Superman Returns wasn't better received. It was my favorite Superman by far.

:bug-eyed, scanners-like brain-exploding emoticon:

SARGE!!!

Come on, man, nothing beats Zod and Ursa!!!
Tell me you're KIDDING!!!!

But if ya like the dark and broody, you'll groove on Hulk.

Kneel before Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:51 AM

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Originally posted by Calhoun:

Just my opinion..

DO I LOOK LIKE A COP?!?!?!?!

Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:08 PM

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Just my opinion..
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DO I LOOK LIKE A COP?!?!?!?!

Chrisisall

I just didnt want to incur your wrath..

The Wrath of Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:46 PM

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Which is why I’m so pumped about WW. I think I talk about it more than I talked Serenity (not in my blog since that’s pretty much dead).

You getting rid of your blogs? :( Noooooo... How come? I like your blogs. *Sniff*

Wonderwoman isn't a show I remember terribley well TWG save for my bro doing dainty swirls in imitation - I don't remember that much about it. However if it is to be given the Joss treatment... Then count me in! Since Buffy and now River in Serenity I can't get enough of female action heros! I think Joss will pretty much re-invent the character to suit his narrative, yet retain enough for the hardened fan... I mean c'mon when has he let us down?
Alien Resurection aside (which I think was as much about production interferrence as much as a strained script) the man is faultless :D

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:52 PM

Originally posted by chrisisall:

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I agree, it's a mistake to say Batman Begins is better than Batman Returns.
Er, that is what y'all are sayin', isn't it?

Now I'm confused Chrisisall

Now we can't have a ConfussedChrisisall can we? :D Basically Calhoun prefers Batman Begins and I prefer Batman Returns - but then I haven't yet seen Batman Begins so I'm ill informed to offer an opinion really.... I suppose my indifference is down to the fact that the superhero genre is very weak! I imagine that looking back on this present slew of superhero films in years to come, they'll be a lot of crud that we'll be looking back on. Honestly I think much of it is laughable even now, in the future I think they'll be riducled in the same way the 50's B movies were.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Who's playing WW? Anybody know yet?

I still think they should have done WW 10 years ago and had Sandra Bullock play her.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:42 AM

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandra Bullock is not WW.

HopingItWasAJoke twg

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:23 AM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Basically Calhoun prefers Batman Begins and I prefer Batman Returns - but then I haven't yet seen Batman Begins so I'm ill informed to offer an opinion really....

Well, I just watched Batman Returns last night, and it was great. You know when he flies? It was a stretch,(but it happens in a Gotham that seems a little skewed from our own reality- which is one of the reasons the film works so well for me) but I could buy it. Now when Batman flies sort of the same way in Batman Begins (a movie that tries REAL hard to be ultra-realistic for a super-hero film), I just said "No way!!! Couldn't happen!!!".
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. BR has it's own reality, BB tries to fit him into our real world, but keep the unrealistic fantasy elements intact.

That's how I see it anyway...as always, your bat-milage may vary.

In his belfrey Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:28 AM

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Originally posted by Calhoun:

I just didnt want to incur your wrath..

No worries, Cal, my wrath is pretty inconsequential, as wraths go.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:27 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, I just watched Batman Returns last night, and it was great. You know when he flies? It was a stretch,(but it happens in a Gotham that seems a little skewed from our own reality- which is one of the reasons the film works so well for me) but I could buy it. Now when Batman flies sort of the same way in Batman Begins (a movie that tries REAL hard to be ultra-realistic for a super-hero film), I just said "No way!!! Couldn't happen!!!".
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. BR has it's own reality, BB tries to fit him into our real world, but keep the unrealistic fantasy elements intact.

That's how I see it anyway...as always, your bat-milage may vary.

In his belfrey Chrisisall

Hey is it wrong that my mum has a copy of Batman Begins and I just can't be arsed to go and borrow it from her...

...I think this is the point at the moment with superhero action films. I'm done with them. There is a saturation point.