ST Enterprise - Why can't I get into this show ? by AURaptor

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ST Enterprise - Why can't I get into this show ?

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Friday, March 23, 2007 05:10
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Monday, March 5, 2007 3:38 PM

America loves a winner!

I've generally liked most ST versions. And I'm a fan of Scott Bakula, going back to Quantum Leap. But every time I try to watch these shows.....I'm bored. What the heck am I missing ? I've tried to get interested in the characters, the plot of the show, the time line..but nothing seems to work.

Is there no hope ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, March 5, 2007 5:17 PM

STEGASAURUS

When the series first aired, and was brand new, I was riveted to the TV. I did not necessarily like the way the show went, and was not incredibly suprised by it's cancellation, but it was in the ST 'Verse (I know, debateable) so I watched it intently.

But now, I cannot sit and watch it either. When they first promo'ed it comming to SciFi, I thought, "Great! Something to fill the gap between Stargate: SG-1 and Heroes!" But every time I try to settle in to watch it, I get bored and then go log onto EQ2.

/shrug

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Monday, March 5, 2007 6:02 PM

JOSSISAGOD

I did enjoy it, but then, it was better in my eyes than most other shows on during its airing. I can tell you that it gets better after the first season and a half. If you still aren't interested(as most Kirk, Picard fans weren't) you'll never get into it.

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JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

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Monday, March 5, 2007 6:44 PM

TRUEBLUE

Because, as far as ST goes, it sucks.

The holier than thou attitude has been taken to the extreme, and when there are character "flaws" they are so over-done. Actors are as a whole competent, but generally speaking not overly so and the scripts are often a huge let-down. I have watched a few episodes and I have seen worse Sci-Fi, but rarely. Not to mention the weird inconsistancies between Enterprise and the Original ST series.

It lacks the feeling of the original and it's without the skill and well-finished appeal of the other ST series.

And the theme music is crap.

I will think of a signature later. It will be so stunningly brilliant your entire life will pale into insignificance when compared to the few words that will be written here.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:34 AM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

Quote:
Originally posted by TrueBlue:
Because, as far as ST goes, it sucks.

The holier than thou attitude has been taken to the extreme, and when there are character "flaws" they are so over-done. Actors are as a whole competent, but generally speaking not overly so and the scripts are often a huge let-down. I have watched a few episodes and I have seen worse Sci-Fi, but rarely. Not to mention the weird inconsistancies between Enterprise and the Original ST series.

It lacks the feeling of the original and it's without the skill and well-finished appeal of the other ST series.

And the theme music is crap.

I agree, I've been a ST fan from day one,....I did the letter writting to get it back and the one to get the shuttle named Enterprise. They did NOT stick to the formula that Roddenberry devised, and IT SUCKED....I tried and tried, the ship was pathetic,..and charactors were weak. I don't mean to piss anybody off,....just MHO.
Please forgive me if I upset anyone.

Private in the 76th

...it's worse than you know...Operative
...it usually is.....Mal

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Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:59 AM

SHINYED

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've tried to get interested in the characters, the plot of the show, the time line..but nothing seems to work.
Is there no hope?

The only hope I know is the following :

1) Stop watching it on Sci Fi Channel.....they do manage to squeeze in the actual show somewhere in between their program of commercials.

2) Forget Seasons 1,2 & 4...ONLY SEASON 3 is worthy of your time...I love Season 3...it's original, exciting, and all episodes are part of a season-long mission.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 12:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Forget Seasons 1,2 & 4...ONLY SEASON 3 is worthy of your time...I love Season 3...it's original, exciting, and all episodes are part of a season-long mission.

Ever figure out what it was about S3 that they did different, and why they didn't stick w/ that mojo ? Was it new writers ? New characters ? New plot ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:23 PM

CYBERSNARK

New plot.

S1 and S2 were mostly stand-alones, with no more than the usual ties to continuity (recurring guest characters, ongoing character development, etc).

S3 was a season-long mega arc, chronicling the Xindi War. We also saw a guest appearance from the Enterprise-J of a (possible) future.

S4 was a mix of the two; a lot of two and three-part stories, with a few scattered stand-alones. S4 was also when they brought in Manny Coto to share his mediocre fanfic (it started falling into the "Smallville" trap of seeing how many gratuitous references to future events you could bludgeon the viewers with in a single ep).

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 4:37 PM

TINADOLL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've generally liked most ST versions. And I'm a fan of Scott Bakula, going back to Quantum Leap. But every time I try to watch these shows.....I'm bored. What the heck am I missing ? I've tried to get interested in the characters, the plot of the show, the time line..but nothing seems to work.

Is there no hope ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

Thats ok- You were not the only one. And i gave it two YEARS! There was no character development,the "revision" of the Vulcans just plain sucked and well there was no story!

I am dissapointed!

So whats wrong with a little Jaylee?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007 6:28 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Forget Seasons 1,2 & 4...ONLY SEASON 3 is worthy of your time...I love Season 3...it's original, exciting, and all episodes are part of a season-long mission.

Ever figure out what it was about S3 that they did different, and why they didn't stick w/ that mojo ? Was it new writers ? New characters ? New plot ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

I have the exact opposite opinion: I HATED season 3. The whole season revolved around an incident(the killing of millions of people on Earth) and a race of people (The Zindi) that in 35 years had NEVER been mentioned before. I think it would have been better if the war had been with the Romulans or Klingons who we know Starfleet fought at some point. From the first ads for the show it was supposed to bridge the gap between Star Trek: First Contact to the original series. It didn't really start doing that till the 4th season with the Vulcans and Tpau, Data's however-many-great grandfather and the Eugenics race, and the formation of the Federation in what had to be the worst Star Trek series finale EVER.

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Friday, March 16, 2007 2:19 PM

EVERYTHINGSSHINY2K6

I've been a Trek fan since I was about 5-6 (The first episode I can remember watching was Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I was 5 and it scared the crap out of me)Star Trek got me into Sci-Fi so even I tried to stay with Enterprise. The franchise started to go down hill during the 4th/5th season of Voyager. DS9 was its peak.

With regards to Enterprise I have discussed this with some of my friends and we each come up with same answer - Its not Star Trek! The 3rd series was a vast improvement but even that didnt feel like Star Trek. I happened to catch an episode of TNG on Sky One a couple of weeks ago and a couple of days later an episode of Enterprise its hard to believe that it was the same francise. Just crap

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Friday, March 16, 2007 3:19 PM

TINADOLL

Quote:
Originally posted by everythingsshiny2k6:
I've been a Trek fan since I was about 5-6 (The first episode I can remember watching was Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I was 5 and it scared the crap out of me)Star Trek got me into Sci-Fi so even I tried to stay with Enterprise. The franchise started to go down hill during the 4th/5th season of Voyager. DS9 was its peak.

With regards to Enterprise I have discussed this with some of my friends and we each come up with same answer - Its not Star Trek! The 3rd series was a vast improvement but even that didnt feel like Star Trek. I happened to catch an episode of TNG on Sky One a couple of weeks ago and a couple of days later an episode of Enterprise its hard to believe that it was the same francise. Just crap

You hit the nail on the head imo!

So whats wrong with a little Jaylee?

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:52 AM

CRUITHNE3753

Best bit in all of Enterprise was the warlike mirror-universe version of the title sequence.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:59 PM

BEJEWELED

Sorry, it won't get better. Normally I would say watch it to learn about continuity you may miss, but they screwed up the continuity. It was a space show that used the Star Trek name. There was very little in the story that was actually ST.

No character development. By the 4th season viewers should care a little about them, but I still had no feelings for Merriweather. Don't get me started with how annoying they made Hoshi.

The ends of the series was a mess.

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Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:21 PM

PIRATECAT

Howdy where from the UN this is the federation starship Enterprise. Oh my intelligent designer your eating cows and using gun powder on them their sanction beings for universal sake. Arm the phasors and photon torpedo tubes we must stop that. But Captain this is the planet Earth, Oh, never mine. Klingons about run away. Ask the Vulcans for a tow where venting plasma again. Lame Lame Lame. Big headed alien show. Garbage.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:18 PM

IMNOTHERE

Funny - I thought it got off to a promising start - first serious space exploration by humans, no transporter, no phasers, no tractor beams, no universal translator, no prime directive to flout and then agonize over and arrogant Vulcans who were not quite as wise as they thought they were. Oh, and the great pretext that the events in "First Contact" could have screwed up the timeline, which could have got them off the continuity hook. Half a season in, they've got all the upgrades and are back to thinking up technobabble to stop them just transporting out of danger.

Oh, Mysterious future guy who proved to be an X-files-style "we'll think of the twist when we get to it" McGuffin, when he could have turned out to be Sisko trying to transport DS9 back in time to act as a base for the war against... no, wait, that's been done.

Wonder what its like in the alternate universe where the "Andromeda" idea was made as the 4th Trek spin-off? Maybe Firefly didn't get cancelled there, and we'd be complaining how it all went down the pan with the musical/buffy crossover/animated/Neil Gaiman-written ep in Season 3.

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Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:31 AM

SAFEAT2ND

Y'know, I actually didn't mind this show, and a couple of guys I know thought the same.

Ya, I found the story lacked direction sometimes and dragged on an on (Xindi), but I didn't mind it. The Time traveller was my least favorite part.

Now I'm not what you'd consider a huge Star Trek fan. I never watched every episode of any of the incarnations, and wasn't upset when I missed episodes. But I am a fan of Space Sci-fi.

I can understand the Trek fans complaint about continuity. I agree totally. But as someone mentioned before, if you watch it as a Space TV show loosely based on Star Trek, it's easier to watch.

I liked the characters and even the ship AND I liked the *GASP* theme song. I remember hearing some fans of Firefly saying they didn't like it's theme so...

And for the record, even as an occasional Trek fan, I don't beleive for a moment that Archer's Enterprise was the pre-cursor to the NCC-1701.

The show wasn't what anyone expected and the director/writor/producors should be ashamed BUT, I've seen worse.

I think any show set as a prequel to an established Space Sci-fi show is doomed to fail from the outset.

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"Got a headful of lightning
And a heart full of rain
And I know that I said
I'd never do it again
Oh and I love you sweet baby but I always take the long way home."

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Friday, March 23, 2007 5:04 AM

CYBERSNARK

The continuity complaints don't bother me. If Trek has taught me anything, it's that time is fluid.

Archer's Enterprise works fine for me as a pre-Romulan War Earth ship.

During the Romulan war, heavier (i.e., better armoured) designs came into fashion, and they eventually evolved into the Constitution-class. As technology advanced, it became more "elegant," with the plating, conduits, handles, and everything covered up by moire-patterned covers (as seen in TOS).

Robert April's Enterprise (which was eventually passed to Christopher Pike before reaching James Kirk) remains the first Federation starship to bear the name. The Federation didn't exist until after the NX-01 was decommissioned.

Centuries later, the NX-01 design would be revisited and updated into the 24th century's Akira and Norway classes.

As for the Xindi, well, I've never believed that we've seen every kind of alien in the Trek 'verse (read the novels; there're hundreds of species mentioned that have never appeared on screen). The Xindi must've just been hanging around off-camera during the "previous" series.

The Vulcan/Andorian animosity has been around since TOS, and the "Ferengi" were never actually named in Enterprise. They were just another random alien crew that Enterprise encountered. The word "Ferengi" wouldn't be known to humans until the Stargazer's first contact at Maxia Zeta. It's only after that that someone could look at Archer's mission logs and recognize "Oh, hey. Those big-eared aliens Archer encountered must've been some of these Ferengi."

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Friday, March 23, 2007 5:10 AM

SAFEAT2ND

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
The continuity complaints don't bother me. If Trek has taught me anything, it's that time is fluid.

Archer's Enterprise works fine for me as a pre-Romulan War Earth ship.

During the Romulan war, heavier (i.e., better armoured) designs came into fashion, and they eventually evolved into the Constitution-class. As technology advanced, it became more "elegant," with the plating, conduits, handles, and everything covered up by moire-patterned covers (as seen in TOS).

Robert April's Enterprise (which was eventually passed to Christopher Pike before reaching James Kirk) remains the first Federation starship to bear the name. The Federation didn't exist until after the NX-01 was decommissioned.

Centuries later, the NX-01 design would be revisited and updated into the 24th century's Akira and Norway classes.

I've never heard it explained that way before and I have to say... I like it.

That works for me.

Thanks Cyber!

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"Got a headful of lightning
And a heart full of rain
And I know that I said
I'd never do it again
Oh and I love you sweet baby but I always take the long way home."

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