What was your favourite X-Men movie and why? by chrisisall

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:

"You wanted me to cure your son. Mutation isn't a disease-"
"YOU'RE LYING!!!"

That was a great moment, no doubt.
But the groaner in that flick was: "Have you ever tried not being a mutant?"

I feel you're being a bit harsh with 3, all of 'em had their moments...but what do I know- I loved The Fantastic Four as well.

FLAME ON! Chrisisall

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Monday, April 9, 2007 11:29 AM

ZEEK

The first one was the best to me. At least that one was a classic X-men vs. Brotherhood story. Some of it was still dumb, but at least the action made sense and the whole thing flowed fairly well.

In the second one I just never really cared. I didn't really see much threat there. The deck was stacked so heavily in the x-men/magneto group's favor that there was just no way they were going to be stopped from saving xavier. I would have liked it better if magneto had stayed and tried to defend the new cerebro camber and had a showdown with the x-men. As it was it was humans vs. mutants and basically just a joke of a battle. Only if the humans had some sentinels on their side would it have been a decent fight.

The third one was laughably bad. The characters were basically reduced to their powers and that's all that remained. Everything else was totally changed for the movie. They really did have a good premise going for them. The cure and a mutant so powerful that they couldn't be controlled are both great storylines, but they bungled the whole thing and it just played out terribly.

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Monday, April 9, 2007 11:31 AM

KELKHIL

Um 2 words.......

Where's GAMBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and they screwed up way too many stories. X3 pretty much killed ArchAngel (excuse the spelling if it's off) No 4 Horsemen now.

wrecked Iceman's image. I mean he wasn't the toughest or the coolest but 3 movies to finally suit up? Come on now!

Soryy.

From a non comic enthusiest I think they were pretty good action wise but I find it hard to block out images of what could have been

Kelkhil

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Monday, April 9, 2007 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
The first one was the best to me. At least that one was a classic X-men vs. Brotherhood story. Some of it was still dumb, but at least the action made sense and the whole thing flowed fairly well.

Objectively speaking, yeah, the first was the best, it had the most character going for it. But after the actionfest second, I just said to myself just enjoy the thing for what it is, so the third satisfyed me pretty well...

Momentum Chrisisall

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Monday, April 9, 2007 11:52 AM

Ok X3 was my fav for reasons that shall go unspecified ....ok it was the semi love scene with Jean and Wolverine... WOW!

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Monday, April 9, 2007 12:25 PM

GROUNDED

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I feel you're being a bit harsh with 3, all of 'em had their moments...but what do I know- I loved The Fantastic Four as well.

Fantastic Four didn't have any pretensions though - it was pure comic book, if there is such a thing ;)

X3, on the other hand, had absolutely no idea what it was trying to accomplish and consequently ended up a complete mess.

Edit: The first movie is my favourite. The first scene alone is worth buying the DVD for ;)

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Monday, April 9, 2007 12:44 PM

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X3, on the other hand, had absolutely no idea what it was trying to accomplish and consequently ended up a complete mess.

I rather enjoy cinematic chaos once in a while!

Free for all Chrisisall

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Monday, April 9, 2007 4:25 PM

CYBERSNARK

X2, because it had a better grasp of the characters (for me, personally, it's always about the characters). X-Men is second-best. X3 was almost as painful as RotS.

I much prefer my version ( http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=24556).
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Monday, April 9, 2007 4:50 PM

TRUEBLUE

They were entertaining and top marks to Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman, they were good actors for their roles. Also a lot of the supporting actors did great jobs, you only see them for a few minutes but they portrayed the larger picture well.

But the heart of the X-men was ripped out, mauled, eaten, regurgitated, eaten again, pooped out then smeared on the silver screen.

Entertaining: yes (3rd movie: no)
True to story and characters: Not so much

It could have been far, FAR better.

Of the three, I liked the 1st. They boiled the conflict down to some piddling good Vs evil rather than the comentary of xenophobic human culture and society. Dark Phoenix plot was really messed with beyond recognition and there was so much more to the story of wolverine that making one movie to try and encompass it was foolhardy (like they tried to do in X-men 2)

There may be a 4th (the end of 3rd movie left that open) but if they approach it as they approached the others I sincerely hope not.

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Monday, April 9, 2007 6:38 PM

JADEHAND

3 should have been 2 movies, and should have been done by Bryan Singer.
My personal favourite is the first.
great moment:
Rogue: "Does it hurt?.... when they come out?"
Logan: ".................................Everytime."

But I really love two moments from X2.
Magneto: "You are a god among insects, never let anyone tell you different."

and this scene (defines the whole X-men = mankind):
Nightcrawler: "They say you can imitate anybody? Even their voice?"
Mystique turns and speaks in his voice:
Mystique: "Even their voice."
Nightcrawler smiles
Nightcrawler: "So why not stay disguised all the time? You know.....Look like everybody else?"
Mystique: "Because we shouldn't have to."

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:55 AM

GROUNDED

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Originally posted by TrueBlue:
Of the three, I liked the 1st. They boiled the conflict down to some piddling good Vs evil rather than the comentary of xenophobic human culture and society.

You really think so? I thought a large portion of the first two movies was devoted to that, even if it wasn't as overt as it could have been.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 4:59 AM

PDCHARLES

What happened? He see your face?

I preferred X2, with the first being a close second. (Oh yeah, first scene in X-men rocked) I knew to lower my expectations for all the movies when they came out; being a 80s-early 90s CB reader. I think X2 brought out just enough characters to have good sub plots and enough action to balance out the film. All of the films seemed to follow the "God Loves, Man Kills" storyline from one of my favorite Graphic Novels. The first film lost out because I just didn't like the ending.

The scene in X2 where Magneto breaks out of his plastic shell was amazing.

X3 just had WAY too much going on. ...and some cure that immediately made mutants lose their powers. C'mon! Shoot 'em and blam, powerless.

I didn't think the Jean related scenes were terrible however. I wanted to see maybe the Hellfire Club.

Did anyone else feel that throughout a lot of X3 you just knew they were on a huge production stage?

I agree with the following:

Dark Phoenix Saga should have been one movie.
Jean did look creepy cool.
Bryan should have stayed on to do the third.

So, I'm off to have drinks with Dazzler and Longshot. They're not too busy these days.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 5:03 AM

LITTLEALBATROSS29

OOHH Dazzler! I still have all my dazzler comics !

I loved X-3. Pheonix was amazing to behold ..
I never read the comics so I am not biased ,
but I imagine if I had I would be disappointed in the movies too.

And I agree with Kelkhil..Where's Gambit ???

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Friday, April 13, 2007 5:19 AM

I was so glad in X-2 to see Wolverine back to his old killing self. It was sort of weird in the 1st one when he didn't really kill anyone. Also, I am really glad that he left Stryker chained up and walked away at the end. If he'd let him out it would have been so un-Logan.
I agree that the story lines and real plots were really out of kilter and I really didn't like the underlying concept in 3 that Xavier had forced Storm to supress her powers as that seems so contrary to everything he is. He's all about mutants learning self control to be with people.
Anyway, still like 3 the best for 2 scenes. Logan and Jean in the med bay and the end when Logan kills Jean ( though not exactly comic accurate definitely emotionally accurate to the characters)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Friday, April 13, 2007 6:37 AM

So glad to see some love for X3 here...

Mut(ant) Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:14 AM

right with you Chris:)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:47 AM

I loved X2, thought it was the best by far of the three in terms of plot and character.

The first one was good, but felt too rushed and under-baked (mainly due to their having to cut out chunks of the script at the last minute). 3 was the best looking of the 3, beacuse it had the biggest budget. But it also felt too rushed and not very well thought-out (a script written in a week, and a director hired 2 weeks before shooting can do that).

And I thought FF sucked.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:53 AM

????
At the end of a very thoughtful post you seem to have lost your mind for a second....

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Originally posted by Storymark:

And I thought FF sucked.

Must be a computer malfunction or something. FF was far from Batman Begins great, but it was very entertaining and enjoyable.

FLAME ON Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 7:59 AM

No malfunction. Just didn't like the movie. Felt like a mishmash made by a comittee of soccer moms. Michael Chiklis was excellent as Grimm, and Johnny was pretty good (though I forget the actor's name). But Ion Gufford and Jessica Alba were miscast, and Doom was just wrong, top to bottom.

And the story was generic. And the director (coming off of freakin' Babershop) had almost zero visual panache - something I consider to be a prerequisite for a Superhero film.

You may have fouind it entertaining and enjoyable, and that's cool. But I found it heckneyed, corny and a waste of talent and material. At best, I was mildly entertained. Most of the time, I was groaning, and shifting in my seat.

Just didn't like it. The trailers for part 2 look like things may have improved.... but unless I just hear stellar word of mouth, I'm waiting for DVD.

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:14 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

You may have found it entertaining and enjoyable, and that's cool. But I found it heckneyed, corny and a waste of talent and material. At best, I was mildly entertained.

I found the characters to be real and engaging, and that more than made up for the weak plot, IMHO.
Finally, a superhero movie that's just plain FUN, and not leaving me angry, or in a pool of tears!
Plus I can show it to my eight-year old, and that's more than I can say for almost EVERY other superhero movie out there.

Elektra gets skewered; Scott Summers gets vapourized; Doc Ock's wife gets shredded; sometimes just a 'nice movie' suffices.

Reed Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:22 AM

once more with you Chris. I liked Fantastic Four ...though I had a brief heart attack there when I though you meant Firefly when you said FF...LOL
I am really looking forward to Silver Surfer ( though I will admit to knowing very little about either the Fantastic Four or the Silver Surfer...mostly what I saw in cartoons)

"I'm not all that interested in the mental health of people who want to kill me. "- Leroy Jethro Gibbs

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:26 AM

Fun and nice I have no problem with. But stupid tunes me out every time. Besides, it's hard for me to buy the "it's for kids" bit when they kept coming up with stupid contrivances to get Alba into her undies - the bridge scene being the most glaring. Not that I mind her in her undies, but it's pushing it, IMO to say "it's a kid's movie... with T&A".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
stupid contrivances to get Alba into her undies

Tread lightly here, Storymark...you are speaking ill of some of the most hallowed and beloved moments in cinematic history!

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it's pushing it, IMO to say "it's a kid's movie... with T&A".

No matter what my age, I have always admired the feminine form, and I think that most here will agree with me. Besides, I'd rather have my son see Jessica Alba in panties than Jennifer Garner in blood.

Not a perv Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:37 AM

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Originally posted by msg:
once more with you Chris. I liked Fantastic Four

Yeah, sometime ya just want to come away with a smile on yer face, and FF certainly did that for me!

Torch'd Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
stupid contrivances to get Alba into her undies
Tread lightly here, Storymark...you are speaking ill of some of the most hallowed and beloved moments in cinematic history!
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it's pushing it, IMO to say "it's a kid's movie... with T&A".

No matter what my age, I have always admired the feminine form, and I think that most here will agree with me. Besides, I'd rather have my son see Jessica Alba in panties than Jennifer Garner in blood.

Not a perv Chrisisall

Now I didn't say anyone needed to be covered in blood... don't go putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying it needed to be filled with hardcore violence. The tone was fine. But a better script would have been really nice. The one they had sucked, as did the directing.

And come on, what possible reason, other than T&A was there for her to stip on the bridge? The other guys got to the other side at the exact same time. If you want a cheesy titillation scene, fine, but have a decent reason for it to happen. It was stupid. No excuse.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, April 13, 2007 9:35 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

And come on, what possible reason, other than T&A was there for her to stip on the bridge?

No other reason, and many, including me, appreciated it (Whoah, I guess I AM somewhat of a perv...)

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If you want a cheesy titillation scene, fine, but have a decent reason for it to happen. It was stupid. No excuse.

"I'm gonna need therapy..."
There's your excuse; a joke!
Hey, I'm just goofin' with ya Story. I know it wasn't great, but I loved it anyway.

"Don't do drugs" Chrisisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 11:24 AM

KANEMAN

*looks up*

"What a tool"

Pointingthingsoutisall

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Friday, April 13, 2007 12:53 PM

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*looks up*

"What a tool"

Pointingthingsoutisall

So speaketh the waste of skin that is Kanetroll.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, April 14, 2007 4:53 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Now I didn't say anyone needed to be covered in blood... don't go putting words in my mouth.

Unintentional, sorry.

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a better script would have been really nice. The one they had sucked, as did the directing.

I can see that the script could have been better, but the direction seemed fine to me...visually it looked nice, it had a good pace...what was wrong in your opinion?

Dog w/a bone Chrisisall

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 4:52 AM

CORNCOBB

I really don't understand all the criticism of X3. I've been an X-men fan for 12 years and felt the characterisation was much better in X3. Wolverine finally acting like a tough guy. Cyclops finally being the whiny git he really is. Storm displaying some leadership qualities. Rogue getting some backbone. Professor X showing his machiavellian side.
Compare to X2 where Stryker and mastermind were basically completely altered, and Lady Deathstrike didnt even have lines. Storm in the first two films was a wallflower and Wolverine strutted around like a male model. Get some perspective.
And as for too much going on - I personally felt the first two films had nowhere near enough happening. Not for X-men films. X3 was much nearer the mark all round, and laid some interesting foundations for future plot developments (if the franchise continues I predict Apocalypse, Onlsaught, the mutant massacre, and Magneto turning good). It's my favourite. Bryan singer is an over-rated hack.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:02 AM