Question: Was Elektra REALLY that bad, IYO? by chrisisall

I seem to remember enjoying it....

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:54 AM

ZEROKIRYU

I liked it too.

And so did a few other people I know.

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:01 AM

MADMUTANT

I thought it was alright, I think Jennifer Garner is a great actress and I love her in Alias but I never understood how they could make a movie essentially viewable for all around a character who was supposed to be a prostitute and an assasin, I felt they sort of lost sight of who the character was suposed to be. Still an entertaining enough movie though but not one of my favourite comic book movies

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:05 AM

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I thought it was pretty good. The only problem was the powers that just sort of came or went depending on whether she was supposed to win or lose at the time.

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:15 AM

I liked it, but I thought it could have been better. It looked and felt more like a really good tv movie instead of a really good cinema film. I thought the bad guys were cool though.

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 AM

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Originally posted by milford:
It looked and felt more like a really good tv movie instead of a really good cinema film.

Funny, Rob Bowman did a lot of TV before that...

Conjure I might pick up the director's cut, I read that was better edited.

Stick fan Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:40 AM

That probably explains it. I thought the effects were cool though, especially the forest fight scenes. Nciely done.

I also thought Daredevil was pretty good too, surpisingly so considering it contained an Affleck and a Ferrell, and not the funny Ferrell.

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:53 AM

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Originally posted by milford:

I also thought Daredevil was pretty good too,

THAT was a case where the Director's cut made a really BIG difference; I count that in my top eleven superhero movies

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:07 AM

Was the director's cut really that much different? I haven't seen it, but my wife and I enjoy the regular one quite a bit.

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by milford:
Was the director's cut really that much different? I haven't seen it, but my wife and I enjoy the regular one quite a bit.

Just the addition of a very interesting 30 minute sub plot and lots of pesky dialogue (including some good stuff with Matt's father) that the studio wanted cut out, plus: in the director's cut DD never sleeps with Elektra, which makes more sense IMO.
But the theatrical cut moves much faster...

Fan of director's cuts Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:50 AM

Cool, thanks for the info. We'll have to check it out. I'm always a big fan of director's cuts when they make the story better, not just longer.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 1:53 AM

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Never actually saw it, it looked kind of interesting, then everyone told me it was crap so I never got around to seeing it

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Friday, October 12, 2007 2:34 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I seem to remember enjoying it...

It was a waste of Jennifer Garner's talents, IMO.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 7:01 AM

Just got Elektra : Director's Cut last night.

I liked the original better than the theatrical cut of Daredevil when it came out, and the director's cut is a small, but noticeable improvement upon the original release. The editing is smoother and tighter, and some added flashbacks are very welcome...and it looks positively STUNNING!!!
AND it comes with a comic book to connect Daredevil and Elektra, AND hours of extras on the second disk!
My only negative comment is, why didn't they put the cameo of Affleck back in; I thought it was GOOD!

If you is a DD fan like me, it be totally worth it.

Not a great movie, but lots of fun, and Terence Stamp is always cool to watch.

Qualified thumbs up Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:

It was a waste of Jennifer Garner's talents, IMO.

It was better than 13 Going On 30...

Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by milford:
I'm always a big fan of director's cuts when they make the story better, not just longer.

The director's (Donner) cut of Superman II was especially appreciated by myself, however, I'm getting Blade Runner in December NOT for the new 'ultimate' director's cut, but for the theatrical release- I loved the narration!

Definitive Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:01 AM

I'm interested in seeing the new cut of Blade Runner too. I don't know how much different it will be from the others, but that's a god one, too hard to pass up.

Did you happen to see the rerelease of Lynch's Dune? I missed it too, but heard good things.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by milford:

Did you happen to see the rerelease of Lynch's Dune? I missed it too, but heard good things.

I bought that one, I'm a fan. The 'extended' cut is the same ole' one they showed on Sci-Fi, with the cheesy, bad, over-explaining narration. Some of the scenes are fascinating to see, but Lynche's theatrical version rules, and the recent re-release is visually excellent! Much better than the previous one- worth the upgrade IMO.

OH! And I just remembered, Christophe Beck did the music for Elektra- a Buffyfan reason to get it right there!

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:38 AM

Thanks for the review. I have the theatrical rerelease on my Christmas list this year, and I've been pretty good, so here's hopin...

I talked my wife into Elektra the other night, and it wasn't too hard of a sell, as we were both Alias fans.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:48 AM

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Originally posted by milford:

I talked my wife into Elektra the other night, and it wasn't too hard of a sell, as we were both Alias fans.

Don't forget the Christophe Beck music

Love-y the score Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 9:55 AM

Right on. We're suckers to watchng something solely to support a Buffy/Angel/FF alum.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 10:26 AM

Milford, I don't know if you'll see this, but there was something quietly mezmerizing about Elektra to me. The imagery was lush, and while the climax wasn't an explosive doozy, it was a good end IMO.

Chrisisall, and he goes on and on...

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:13 AM

Yes. It achieved a degree of stank that few movies have ever dare to go.

What was the point anyway? I still haven't figure out what the hell was going on. So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire. And I’m supposed to give a shit about this broad, because she changed her mind about killing her target? So the hell what? Throw her ass on Death Row with all the other assassin’s for hire. Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yes. It achieved a degree of stank that few movies have ever dare to go.

You didn't like it?

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So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire.

She liked him, but LOVE? Matt was certainly head over heels, but Elektra wasn't there IMO. And like Buffy, she came back different. Bent.

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And I’m supposed to give a shit about this broad, because she changed her mind about killing her target?

She killed killers within the bad guy's world. In-house, so to speak. That's their business. She changed her mind because they changed the kind of mark she was used to, and that woke up the good in her, her new violent life had not taken it from her fully.........

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Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.

You obviously have a concrete view of this most abstract film; I find it a visual marvel, and a nice character study enhanced by a first-rate star...no masterpiece by any stretch, but fun if ya take it that way, much like Fantastic Four.
Your milage apparently varied

Not so judgemental Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
She killed killers within the bad guy's world. In-house, so to speak. That's their business.

Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You obviously have a concrete view of this most abstract film; I find it a visual marvel, and a nice character study enhanced by a first-rate star...no masterpiece by any stretch, but fun if ya take it that way, much like Fantastic Four.

I think you’ve been duped. There was nothing fun about Elektra. Its two hours of life I’ll never get back. And Fantastic Four isn’t even comparable to Elektra. If for no other reason, then that it had a discernable plot and characters worth caring about.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.

Which were, um, other bad guys- the competition...I just saw this last night, it's pretty fresh in my memory

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I think you’ve been duped. There was nothing fun about Elektra. Its two hours of life I’ll never get back. And Fantastic Four isn’t even comparable to Elektra. If for no other reason, then that it had a discernable plot and characters worth caring about.

It was 99 minutes of cool fight scenes and beautiful photography at the very least. Yeah, FF was miles above it in the conventional narrative sense, I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING, the ultimate cinematic action-flick sin. E had SOMETHING going for it, appreciated by some, and not by others is all.

I'm happy I got it Chrisisall

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Friday, October 12, 2007 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Sounds like you’re projecting. What I remember from the movie was that she killed people the bad guys wanted dead.
Which were, um, other bad guys- the competition...I just saw this last night, it's pretty fresh in my memory .

It didn’t work. At no point in that movie was I ever even remotely concerned if she lived or died.

The Professional was a movie about an assassin. He only killed “the competition” too, but that movie didn't tried to insult my intelligence by pawning him off as some kind of righteous good guy. Yet, I cared about him, because the movie portrayed him honestly as an assassin and as a human being. He didn’t get out of that movie alive though; he died in the act of saving a little girl he had grown to love. He was heroic, because in the end, he became a good guy in a single desperate act of humanity.

Garner’s performance in Elektra stank, and her character was written so that I hated her. It was a monumentally stupid movie. What was her act of retribution? What made her Heroic? Nothing. So she decided not to kill a child. Wow! Let’s give her the Nobel Peace Prize. She only kills adults that the bad guys don’t like. You could say the same thing about every hitman for the Mafia when they knock off police officers who won’t go on the take or jurors who won’t acquit. In the end though, Elektra saves the life of a child who supposedly will save the world. The fate of good in the world rests on a decision of some assassin who decides not to murder a child? That’s a pretty bleak statement, but it’s one that has potential to work. It’s essentially the same theme used in the Professional, but more effectively. The problem is that in Elektra it just doesn’t work. There is far too much that is confused and poorly presented. It had the potential to be a great story, but the way it was told ruined any hope of that.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It was 99 minutes of cool fight scenes and beautiful photography at the very least. Yeah, FF was miles above it in the conventional narrative sense, I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING, the ultimate cinematic action-flick sin. E had SOMETHING going for it, appreciated by some, and not by others is all.

Some of the fight scenes were good. I never saw Cat Woman. I dodged that bullet, somehow.

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Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:

It was a waste of Jennifer Garner's talents, IMO.
It was better than 13 Going On 30...

Chrisisall

Oh, you're hardly evil, Chris. Quirky, maybe, but not evil...and I'll grant you that 13 Going on 30 wasn't gonna sweep the Oscars either, but it genuinely did make me laugh. I thought it was cute. I thought I liked it enough to see it again, so I bought it when the price went down.

...BIG MISTAKE.

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It didn’t work. At no point in that movie was I ever even remotely concerned if she lived or died.

The Professional was a movie about an assassin. He only killed “the competition” too, but that movie didn't tried to insult my intelligence by pawning him off as some kind of righteous good guy.

Everything in your post was valid, from a certain point of view. But I'm a fan of the comic upon which DD and Elektra are based, so I'm willing to cut them way more slack than you are just to see them brought to life. Sort of like Firestarter...not a GREAT movie, but again, I'm a fan of the book, so....

But I've noticed a pattern with ya dude, it seems 'heroic' is synonymous with sacrifice for you...you liked The Gift better than Chosen for this very reason- a hero has to experience extreme loss, or death to BE a hero it seems...you must have really liked X-Men 3, heh heh!

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I never saw Cat Woman. I dodged that bullet, somehow.

Rent Catwoman, Finn, and then appreciate Elektra for the comparative genius that it is

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Chrisisall, liker of sucky flicks

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:54 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm just sayin' Elektra was no 'Cat Woman', that was BORING

At least Catwoman had an actual plot.And what's wrong with Catwoman?!!

Yes, Elektra had some really cool photography, but there was no point what-so-ever. I agree it was beautiful, but it was hard to watch as it didn't have a solid sequence of events.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
What was the point anyway? I still haven't figure out what the hell was going on. So Elektra who was actually Daredevil's love interest comes back to life, and instead of going to find the man that she supposedly loves, decides that she'll become an assassin for hire.

Well, it was Matt that was head-over-heels, I don't think Elektra was. But she still liked him, there was a scene about that somewhere. That would make sense if she had to hide the fact she came back to life, but I don't think that was said anywhere in the movie.

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Now then there are the bad guys, whose point is...what? And some old blind bat is the good guy, whose point is...what? Then there is some little kid who happens to be the real heroine who’s going to save the world, only she’s not – she’s just some bratty kid. Stupid doesn’t even begin describing this movie.

I agree absolutely. And how the super-powers seem to fade depending on who wins is off, too.

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:01 AM

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Originally posted by RiverFlan:

At least Catwoman had an actual plot.And whats wrong with Catwoman?!!

It was flat...boring...no action...
And I'm a Halle fan.

Storm-lovin' Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:58 AM

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Catwoman does have action. And you prefer Elektra?

I can't belive your taste.

That's what you get for dissing Catwoman. I love that movie!

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:09 AM

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That's what you get for dissing Catwoman. I love that movie!

Tell us why you liked it; maybe I need to re-visit it...(?)

Never say never Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Everything in your post was valid, from a certain point of view. But I'm a fan of the comic upon which DD and Elektra are based, so I'm willing to cut them way more slack than you are just to see them brought to life. Sort of like Firestarter...not a GREAT movie, but again, I'm a fan of the book, so....

I never read the comic. If I had, then maybe I might have understood what was going on and saw what you saw in it.

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But I've noticed a pattern with ya dude, it seems 'heroic' is synonymous with sacrifice for you...you liked The Gift better than Chosen for this very reason- a hero has to experience extreme loss, or death to BE a hero it seems...you must have really liked X-Men 3, heh heh!

I am a fan of the Tragic Hero, it is true. I admit that. (I think Joss Whedon is too.) Heroes should struggle for some right cause, and in some cases a Hero must redeem him or herself in order to be a hero. Maybe that’s something of an old-fashion Aristotelian view of Heroism, but I like it. However, I’m not wed to it. I could have seen Elektra as a hero, but the story just didn’t put the pieces together well enough.

And Yeah, I liked X-Men 3. All of the X-Men movies were really good.

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Rent Catwoman, Finn, and then appreciate Elektra for the comparative genius that it is.

I’ll take your word for it.

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
...but there was something quietly mezmerizing about Elektra to me.

I seem to remember falling asleep if that's what you mean

and mist, I remember mist but that's all...

I might give it another go though and I want to see the director's cut of daredevil cos I liked that...

oh chris, off topic but kinda related, I was looking at buying F4 today and there's an 'extended edition' with 20 minutes extra in the film, or for the same price I could get a 2 disc regular edition with extras and deleted scenes and stuff. do you know what the difference would be in the extended one? what would you go for? (oh knowledgeble and fantastic one

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Monday, October 15, 2007 1:52 AM

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oh chris, off topic but kinda related, I was looking at buying F4 today and there's an 'extended edition' with 20 minutes extra in the film, or for the same price I could get a 2 disc regular edition with extras and deleted scenes and stuff. do you know what the difference would be in the extended one? what would you go for?

I have the extended edition (across the pond here it comes both ways on the same disk), and it has lots of cool stuff added to it, but there's one scene where Mr. Fantastic makes himself look like Wolverine for a second that should have been left out (IMO)- I guess it's just do you want a brisk pace to it or not- the regular version moves along pretty fast, but the extended version would be my choice overall.

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Monday, October 15, 2007 5:01 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
The imagery was lush, and while the climax wasn't an explosive doozy, it was a good end IMO.

You know, I liked the imagery too. There wasn't a lot going on in the film, and it looked good that way. There was a simplicity that wasn't sparse, like the forest battle scene for example. I liked it too.

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Monday, October 15, 2007 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by milford:
I liked it too.

Ahhh, another man of taste

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And Garner looked smashing Chrisisall

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Monday, October 15, 2007 9:57 AM

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And Garner looked smashing

I like to pretend I'm evolved beyond such things, but the truth is I'm not. I would raise your smashing to a smoking hot.

Does that remove me from the tasteful camp?

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Monday, October 15, 2007 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by milford:

Does that remove me from the tasteful camp?

Nah, just puts ya in the honest camp as well.

Lucky Ben. Chrisisall

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Monday, October 15, 2007 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by RiverFlan:

That's what you get for dissing Catwoman. I love that movie!

Tell us why you liked it; maybe I need to re-visit it...(?)

Because:
It actually had a fairly original plot.
The main character (I forget her name) is fairly well developed.
It had the most adorable kitties in it

There was cause-and-effect in the movie
The science is realistic
Catwoman is AWESOME!!!

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Monday, October 15, 2007 2:56 PM

I will give it one more try, then. Perhaps there's something in it that I was closed to initially...

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