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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hatch should have been given this show- his love for it would have made it great.

Apolloisall

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Originally posted by MacBaker:
his bikini clad Superman left much to be desired.

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Originally posted by MacBaker:
his bikini clad Superman left much to be desired.

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Frakin' LOL!!!!!!!

I love you, Mac!!!

LOLisall

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"In the Singer-DeSanto continuation Apollo was to show up near the end of that series' pilot as a kind of "Borg-ified" Cylon."

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Originally posted by lwaves:
As for Hatch and Larson I think they may have been stuck too much in the late 70's style of show. They would have still appeared dated and cliched even though they would have been made now.

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Mark Fornale. All rights reserved.

A lot of people criticized the original BSG for being too clichéd or too G rated but ignored the fact that BSG was a dark premise that could have been far better than it was. It was produced in the 1970s where censorship rules were stricter than they are today.

Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto set out to revive BSG and return it to its dark roots. Unfortunately it was cancelled when it was so close to being filmed. David Eick with Ron Moore took control of the project and went for the re-imagining course instead.

Let us compare and contrast and look at the similarities between Singer/DeSanto and Moore. Note -- The Adama/Orin references meant that Singer and DeSanto kept re-tweaking the character back and forth from Adama to Orin.

Singer & DeSanto -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.
Moore -- Darker, grittier than the original series and not family friendly nor a kiddie flick.

Singer & DeSanto -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.
Moore -- Human Cylons infiltrating the Colonials. Anyone could be a Cylon.

Singer & DeSanto -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that would have been featured in action sequences.
Moore -- Newly advanced CGI Cylon Centurions that were only featured in two scenes and basically stood in the background and did nothing. (Damn you Sci-Fi. I wanted to see them in action.)

Singer & DeSanto -- Kept the origins of the Cylons intact but gave them a new semi Borg-like / X-Files black oil motive due to a Cylon Civil War. However, that story arc would have most likely ended by the finale of the first season, so the Cylons could have reverted back to their old ways.
Moore -- Didn't bother to watch the entire TOS, therefore couldn't understand the Cylon's origins nor motives (by just watching the short version of the pilot) so he re-imagined them to be machines turning on their makers.

Singer & DeSanto -- Female President Mara, and always at odds with Commander Adama/Orin.
Moore -- Female President Roslin, and always at odds with Commander Adama.

Singer & DeSanto -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 20 years.
Moore -- Galactica to be decommissioned because the Cylons had not been heard from in over 40 years.

Singer & DeSanto -- (Dr Wilker ?) unintentionally betrayed the colonies.
Moore -- Dr Baltar unintentionally betrayed the colonies.

Singer & DeSanto -- Starbuck, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.
Moore -- Tigh, a manic depressive drunk, breaks free from his slump and becomes a hero upon the Cylon attack.

Singer & DeSanto -- The Cylons return and ambush New Kobol with the new advanced Cylon Raiders and Missiles from the Basestar in a scene that could have been compared to such films as Armageddon or Deep Impact. Also newly enhanced Centurions would later launch a ground assault.
Moore -- The Cylons return and ambush Kobol except no Cylons are seen (Damn that Sci-Fi's tight budget) so instead the viewers are treated to mushroom clouds in the background and a semi-spectacular scene at Baltar's apartment. Also the Holocaust and destruction of the fleet was dialogue driven.

Singer & DeSanto -- Space battle Scenes -- Traditional Science Fiction with fast moving ships and sounds that would make your surround sound speakers roar.
Moore -- Realistic Science Fiction Experiment with semi/slow moving ships and no sound surround is necessary because there are little to no sounds (for realism purposes.)

Singer & DeSanto -- After the Cylon ambush, Commander Adama/Orin and President Mara decides to begin the quest to Earth based on faith.
Moore -- After the Cylon ambush. Commander Adama and President Roslin decides to begin the quest to Earth based on a lie.

Singer & DeSanto -- A surprise ending with a twist. Apollo, Adama's Son/Orin's Father is a Cylon.
Moore -- A surprise ending with a twist. Sharon Boomer is a Cylon.

Singer & DeSanto -- TOS original cast members were practically knocking down his door for a role (including Jane Seymour.) However, only Dirk Benedict and Herb Jefferson would have been featured and the surprise cameo of Richard Hatch at the end.
Moore -- Every TOS cast member declined any roles that were offered to them.

Singer & DeSanto -- Pilot that was intended to be an updated semi-continuation, fix the flaws and extend the original series.
Moore -- Pilot that was intended to update the story, fix the flaws and bury the original series.

Singer & DeSanto -- was going for a darker traditional Science Fiction Epic feel.
Moore -- was going for a darker docudrama and reality TV feel.

Singer & DeSanto -- Targeted Audience -- 18 to 40.
Moore --Targeted Audiance -- 18 to 40.

In my opinion it does appear that a lot of miniseries groundwork was laid out by Singer/DeSanto until the production was derailed by Sci-Fi and David Eick.

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Originally posted by participant:

It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
but thanks to Skiffy we will never know.

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On this point, I commend Bill Gordon’s essay “GINO,” in the recently published So Say We All: An Unauthorized Collection of Thoughts And Opinions on Battlestar Galactica. Gordon is a resolute fan of the original BSG, who attacks virtually every aspect of the new series, sometimes unreasonably. But he makes solid points when he says that the new series “focuses intently upon the very worst of humanity. It is a fleeting, small-scale, wholly depressing depiction of man’s darkest qualities…that revels in the themes of deceit, paranoia, and betrayal.” Rather than seeking to portray the heroic qualities that are the redeeming character trait of mankind—and that are the answer to Adama’s Challenge—the new show “offers what its producers purport to be a mirror image of contemporary American society: a civilization unable to keep its pants on or [to] rise above its own backstabbing greed, avarice, or lust (both for sex and power) long enough to focus its pursuit on a lie.” Adama’s attitude toward humanity is ambiguous, of course, and Gordon understandably fears that this ambiguity is hopeless. His constant brooding over humanity’s weaknesses—and, worse, his outright lie to his people in pretending to know where Earth is—reveals that he “has no faith in a people that ‘still commit murder because of greed, spite, and jealousy’ and visit all of our sins upon our children.’ A leader who has no faith in his people can certainly never expect his people to place faith in him.” (Emphasis added.)

Gordon makes another point that’s well worth emphasizing. If the show is intended, as so many claim, as an analysis of the post Sept. 11 world, then what exactly is the conclusion we are supposed to draw? If Adama really believes that the terrorizing, obsessively monotheistic and anti-secular Cylons, being humanity’s creation, are some sort of righteous punishment for our wickedness, then

we have no choice but to conclude that [Adama’s] words reflect Moore and Eick’s perception of American society. The clear assertion is that “we” created the terrorists that took the lives of thousands of innocents in the cowardly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Despite Moore and Eick’s backpedaling and protests that [BSG] is “just a television show,” the fact remains that one of Moore’s documented regrets regarding…[Adama’s Challenge] is that his favorite line, “We are the flawed creation,” was cut from the aired version…. It is a line that speaks volumes regarding the intentions of the writer.

If Americans are worthy of victory over Islamofascism it is not because we are more pious, or that we reject so-called materialistic greed to a sufficient degree; it is not that the Islamofascists’ minor premise is incorrect. It is that our philosophical principles—as articulated in the Declaration of Independence, and as honestly cherished and pursued by millions of Americans every day, despite whatever backsliding and deception we undeniably have practiced—are right and are better than theirs. Likewise, if humanity is worthy of victory over the Cylons, it is not because we give fair trials to traitors or that we regret and feel guilt over the beating of prisoners, or that we, like Apollo, muddle through a universe of seeming incomprehensibility, cramped by constant anxiety and bouts of bleary, tear-soaked compassion—it is because human beings are free, creative, brilliant works of nature who possess something great and powerful within themselves. In this last season particularly we have seen plenty of the former, and very little of the latter.

But this is not my primary complaint. I relish challenging and intelligently written television, even when it is contrary to my own philosophical beliefs. If Moore, et al., really believe that humanity is not worth saving, that is a perfectly fine point to make in art (although obviously I would strongly disagree with it). The problem comes when they make this point while simultaneously laying claim to a humanitarian love for humanity and a belief in such things as “hope,” heroism, or righteous indignation at injustice—and that they do so in a confusing manner; in a manner that often seems inconsistent.

I still enjoy Battlestar Galactica, and I hold out some hope that in the coming season, we will find more heroism and redemption. If so, it will turn out that this last season was an ugly chapter in the history of humanity’s quest for Earth. But if not, I’ll be sad to see this show squander so much potential.

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It might be wrong to say DeSanto's BSG would have been better or worse,
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9/11 Killed Bryan Singer's Battlestar Galactica

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Hatch: Look to Star Trek XI For New Battlestar Galactica Film

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According to the Newspaper, Singer is already hard at work on the movie, which according to rumors has more in common with the original series, and is working along side Battlestar Galactica creator Glen A. Larson on the project.


Here is how the newspaper reports the article, courtesy of SciFiPulse:


Now that pre-production has started, any rumors that Singer's next project was going to be "X" related (as in X-Men) has been put to rest, along with any shot he had of helming another Superman flick. There's been no word if Ronald D. Moore will be involved in the re-reboot, yet given the rumored "rocky" relationship between Larson and Moore, it seems unlikely.

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Hatch: Look to Star Trek XI For New Battlestar Galactica Film

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Can they film a new finale for the Ron Moore show that doesn't rely on Bob Dylan (or was it Hendrix?) turning out to be God? At least, I think that was the idea...

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