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Monday, October 6, 2008 10:09 AM

JONGSSTRAW

I didn't see either. Are they any good?

I just saw Iron Man. Liked it. What did you think?

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Monday, October 6, 2008 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I didn't see either. Are they any good?

I just saw Iron Man. Liked it. What did you think?

I hear Jones kinda sucked, and that Hulk was very good.

I rented Iron Man & was suitably impressed, though I felt it's real-world references (terrorism IRL) brought me a little out of what should have been pretty much a fantasy movie, but maybe that's just me. I wanted to see him fight a comic book villain, not a crappy & VERY stupid jihadist clown. But I won't deny the guilty-pleasure factor of seeing the MFer get waxed.

The Mandarinisall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I hear Jones kinda sucked, and that Hulk was very good.

I rented Iron Man & was suitably impressed, though I felt it's real-world references (terrorism IRL) brought me a little out of what should have been pretty much a fantasy movie, but maybe that's just me. I wanted to see him fight a comic book villain, not a crappy & VERY stupid jihadist clown. But I won't deny the guilty-pleasure factor of seeing the MFer get waxed.

The Mandarinisall

Iron Man traditionally has a topical grounding. In the comics, he is captured by the Viet Kong. They just updated it a bit. As for a super-villain, aside from Stane being from the comic, the jihadists were a subtle set-up for a super-villain in the sequel. Given that Iron Man's chief nemesis gets his power from 10 rings....

I'll be picking up both Indy and Hulk myself, even though Indy was my least favorite of that series, and Hulk, while entertaining, fult trunucated (approx. 70 minutes cut, about 40 of which will be on the Blu Ray, with only about 10 on the DVD).

But of the 3, Iron Man was my favorite.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
October 14th and 21st, respectively.
So, any Halloween interest here?

I'm salivatin' over Hulk, myself.

But I've seen neitherisall

If by Halloween you mean HORROR at what is now known in some circles as Indiana Jones and the Big Pile of Crap.
I even sat through this again (downloaded DVDRip as I certainly ain't paying any more for it) just to see if time had healed my wounds, but all it did was make them deeper and wider.
Some people apparently really liked the movie so maybe it's worth a rent first. I wonder if we saw the same movie?

I actually quite liked The Incredible Hulk. It wasn't perfect but it was far better than the first one and much closer to the TV series. They even cameo the end piano theme bit which was nice.
Plus it's about time Tim Roth got bigger roles. I think he's a very underrated actor.

I really loved Iron Man. This especially surprised me as I wasn't really bothered about it, I knew nothing of the comics or backstory but the trailer intrigued me enough to give it a go. I will be buying this when it's out.
The terrorism part of it didn't bother me as I kind of expected that to play a part in a film about a weapons manufacturer. I think it was funny without being stupid, action packed without being OTT, and Downey Jr was perfectly cast (another underrated actor).

Let's all sing together:

"24 days 'til Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. 24 days 'til Halloween. Silver Shamrock."

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Monday, October 6, 2008 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:
I will be buying this when it's out.

It's been out for a week.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, October 6, 2008 12:02 PM

Yeah. The terrorist group is part of an organization called the 10 Rings. So, the villians were from the comic. But I understand what you were saying. There wasn't a villian per say. However, Iron Monger was cool at the end. And they definatly dropped hints with the 10 Rings that The Mandarin will be the villian in part 2. Also, Iron Man may be getting some help from War Machine. There was a little nod to him as well.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 12:05 PM

Never a big Iron Man fan, I guess, forEVER a big Hulk fan.
Downey, Jr. & Norton, what great actors.

Cisall

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Monday, October 6, 2008 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Slowhand:
Yeah. The terrorist group is part of an organization called the 10 Rings. So, the villians were from the comic. But I understand what you were saying. There wasn't a villian per say. However, Iron Monger was cool at the end. And they definatly dropped hints with the 10 Rings that The Mandarin will be the villian in part 2. Also, Iron Man may be getting some help from War Machine. There was a little nod to him as well.

If you watch the "making-of" stuff on the 2-disk version, Bridges talks about how, when he took the role, he was only going to be the corporate villain (with no suit), and the Mandarin was going to be the main threat. It was relatively late in the process that they cut Mandarin, and went with Iron Monger.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by lwaves:
I will be buying this when it's out.

It's been out for a week.

Not in my hidey-hole it ain't. We UK'ers have to wait until the end of the month. I could import it but it's the same version on both sides of the pond so I may as well wait. At least we're not being ripped off with less extras.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 1:13 PM

Well I enoyed Indy 4.

Frankly there was little that was going to stop me enjoying this film as it's original was perhaps the single greatest reason why I love cinema, and I was certainly not going to let 21st century 'cool' or cynism as I like to call it, ruin the experience of going to see it at the flicks with my girlfriend.

Hell if I have kids around the time Indy 8 comes out I'm going to take them to see that too!

:D

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Monday, October 6, 2008 8:16 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Iron man was a joy to watch, lots of fun and Downey, Jr. made it so. Jeff Bridges was also very solid.

Indy 4 was kinda fun, but not up to par with any of the first three, I still say that Raiders of the Lost Arc, is one of the Top 10 movies of all-time. Nice to see Karen Allen back, but I think they wasted a perfect opportunity to make her appearence a memorable one.

Have not seen any of the Hulk movies, so I can't comment.

Anyone seen Hellboy 2: Golden Army? I heard it was really good. Guillermo Del Toro is a gifted director (see, if you can, Pan's Labyrinth perfect for Halloween).

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Monday, October 6, 2008 9:56 PM

SINGATE

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Indy 4 was kinda fun, but not up to par with any of the first three, I still say that Raiders of the Lost Arc, is one of the Top 10 movies of all-time. Nice to see Karen Allen back, but I think they wasted a perfect opportunity to make her appearence a memorable one.

Anyone seen Hellboy 2: Golden Army? I heard it was really good.

I also enjoyed Indy 4. Somnambulist is spot on about so many people nowadays slamming everything because it is the cool thing to do. Not saying it was the best of the 4 but it sure as hell isn't the worst.

Hellboy 2 is a gem. Too many people missed out on this one because of the hoopla surrounding Ironman and The Dark Knight. In my view it does the original 1 better. The characters, visuals and story are all top notch. There are also a few hints dropped that would lead nicely into a third film.

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 1:03 AM

I agree. It seems that a lot of people are looking for reasons to not like a film instead of finding reasons to enjoy it. I've never understood people that hear about a movie coming out and the automatic response is, "They're gonna screw that up." Really? How do you know? You haven't seen anything yet! I guess the thing now days is to be too cool for movies. Whatever. Movies are supposed to be fun and too many people these days won't let themselves have fun anymore.

Every film has strong points and weak points. For example, I have never been a fan of the Matrix movies. I just don't get them. But, those movies made some serious breakthroughs in the world of visual effects. So, even though I thought the stories were confusing and contradictory, and listening to the characters speak was like listening to someone read an instruction manual, I enjoyed the many beautiful effects shots.

If you've paid money to see something, you might as well pick out something you like and try to have a good time.

Hellboy 2 was very impressive! I thought it was better than the first one, and that's high praise cause I loved the first one.

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 4:59 AM

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Originally posted by singate:

I also enjoyed Indy 4. Somnambulist is spot on about so many people nowadays slamming everything because it is the cool thing to do. Not saying it was the best of the 4 but it sure as hell isn't the worst.

Yeah, well, some of us disliked it because we just didn't think it was very good. Being "cool" has nothing to do with it. Raiders is my favorite film ever, but KOTCS just fell flat for me. Too much CGI, too weak of a script. It's the only Indy movie where the ending would have been no different if Indy had just gone home.

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Wednesday, October 8, 2008 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, well, some of us disliked it because we just didn't think it was very good. Being "cool" has nothing to do with it. Raiders is my favorite film ever, but KOTCS just fell flat for me. Too much CGI, too weak of a script. It's the only Indy movie where the ending would have been no different if Indy had just gone home.

Completely agree. I never do anything because certain people say it's cool or because it's the mainstream thing to do. I'll admit to liking the Star Wars prequels. They are certainly not perfect but I still like them. Most people seem to despise them.
Everyone likes things for different reasons and there were parts of Indy 4 that I did like. The whole warehouse scene was good, the nods to the other movies were good. It's still Indiana Jones.
But they turned down many scripts and this was the best one? Speilberg said in an interview that they would be toning down the CGI (fans were worried that Lucas would do as much as he could with CGI, like Star Wars) and that they would be shooting real world stuff as much as possible. So what was with the Tarzan impression, or the fencing over the jeeps? Or the, frankly, totally ripped of ending from The X-Files movie? Never mind the fridge or the silly rat/gopher things.

I absolutely adore the original three films, Raiders being one of those movies that I can always watch. If I change channel and it's on TV - then that's what I'm watching until it's finished.

Why do people jump on the 'Oh it's bound to be crap' bandwagon? Well look at the past records of movies that have been brought back after several years. I give you....
Lost Boys 2.
Blues Brothers 2000.
Rambo 4. Okay it's not that bad but it ain't great.
Godfather 3.
Die Hard 4. Okay I haven't seen but friends reviews and the trailer was enough to know that I'm not willing to tarnish my love of the other three.
Great Escape 2.
The Star Wars prequels for some people.
The X-Files 2 movie.
Terminator 3.

....to name a few.
I won't go into the 'reimaginings' either. Very few of these type of films get even close to the originals and even fewer are as good or better. If something doesn't work 9 out of 10 times, chances are it won't work on the tenth go. Doesn't mean it won't, just that it probably won't.

I don't know if this post comes across as bitter but it's not meant to be. With the oncoming return to favourite franchises like Ghostbusters and Lethal Weapon I do fear for the worst, but hope that they get it right.

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Wednesday, October 8, 2008 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Rambo 4. Okay it's not that bad but it ain't great.

Uhh....*raises hand*
I thought it WAS great...almost as good as the first, and WAAAAY better than the two cartoons in between...

FYIisall

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:12 AM

Okay- it official, I'm getting the limited edition 3 disk set, it has the alternate opening I hoped so much would be IN an extended edition, but whatever. The single disk doesn't have it, and I don't need it in BluRay, the CGI just looks more fake that way.

ChrisisallSMASH

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by lwaves:

Rambo 4. Okay it's not that bad but it ain't great.

Uhh....*raises hand*
I thought it WAS great...almost as good as the first, and WAAAAY better than the two cartoons in between...

FYIisall

I thought you might say that.
I probably am being to hard on it because I really hate Rambo 2 and 3 after such a great film with First Blood. Personally I don't think any of the sequels were needed, the first tells you all you need to know.
But I can't agree that 4 is almost as good as First Blood. No way. Rambo 4 did have Julie Benz tho', so that's a plus.

And before you turn green and smash your way through this thread I really hope you like The Incredible Hulk. I'm gonna get the 3 Disc version as well.

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:38 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Thanks Singate, Slowhand for the heads up about HB2,
I've been trying to convince my son to go see it (we both loved the first one). I think it's still playing in one of the multiplexes in the city.

I hope that I didn't give the wrong impression about Indy 4. I wasn't bashing. The reason I said it was "kinda fun" was there were parts I wasn't happy with, but overall it was a good fun "popcorn" movie. What made it fun for me was there were several "winks" at the audience throughout the movie and I really like when a director does that.

But normally I go to see something because of a certain actor or director, or if its sci-fi and seems interesting. I judge for myself once I've seen the movie. I went to see The History of Violence because of Viggo Mortensen and Mario Bello. The Cooler, because of Alec Baldwin, William H. Macy and Maria Bello (what a woman!).
So I too don't particularly care for saying a movie sucks unless a trusted friend tells me otherwise or I've seen it.

Once again, thanks for the heads up guys. Shiny.

Towabawho?

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 1:26 PM

I know people prepare themselves for a let down with sequels and remakes, but I'm really easy on movies. Mainly because....well....they're movies. Heh.

I think people use harsh descriptions of movies way too often. People say a movie is crap or worthless or terrible all the time. I've heard people say that about a movie that I like. I'll mention a few parts that I like and they'll be like, "Yeah. That part was pretty cool." And I'll mention another scene and they respond, "That was pretty funny I guess. Or what about..." then they mention a scene they liked. For a movie they said was crap, they sure do like a lot of things about it!

Yes, there are movies that, to me, are almost unwatchable they're so bad....but not many.

I wasn't a big fan of the new Indy movie. Will I buy it? Yes. I have the others.

I think that the reason many people don't like sequels or remakes is because they're automatically compare it to the original instead of just looking at the movie as 2 hours of entertainment. The reason the new Indy movie didn't look so good was because it's competition was freak'n Raiders! Sometimes people expect too much I think. I went in KNOWING that there was NO WAY it would be as good as Raiders. So, I enjoyed it for what it was. Not my favorite movie. But any movie that a stay in the theater for couldn't have been that bad. If it's total crap and unwatchable....leave. Don't watch it.

I'm totally not directing this at anyone here or to any post that was made. I'm just talking about people in general that absolutly trash a movie. My first response to them is, "Did you finish watching it?" When they say yes, I say, "Then it couldn't have been as bad as you say." I know a guy that walked out of Superman Returns. He can honestly say he hated that movie. I know a guy that rented Batman and Robin. He took it back without finishing it. That movie, to him, was truly unwatchable.

There's lot's of movies I don't really like. But I don't pick apart movies. I wasn't one of the guys complaining that the Transformers didn't look like the toys. I didn't care that Spider-Man didn't build web shooters. If they keep my interest and entertain me, they've done their job. I try not to compare them. I don't get into the "which was better....Tombstone or Wyatt Earp" discussion. I saw them both and enjoyed them both.

Guess I'm just really easy to please...but that's a good thing. I'm pretty much gauranteed to have a good time at the movies! LOL!

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Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:06 PM

SINGATE

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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
The Cooler, because of Alec Baldwin, William H. Macy and Maria Bello (what a woman!).

A very good and woefully underappreciated movie. She was absolutely stunning in that role.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

I probably am being to hard on it because I really hate Rambo 2 and 3 after such a great film with First Blood.

I hate 'serious' action flicks where tons of virtually bloodless squeeky-clean violence ensues. My rule: if the action is FUN, it had better be a superhero movie or something, because violence, real violence, is NOT fun to watch. And that's why I liked Rambo- it was NOT fun to see the blood, but it served it's dramatic purpose IMO. I didn't think Stallone had it in him.

Chrisisbloodyall

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I hate 'serious' action flicks where tons of virtually bloodless squeeky-clean violence ensues.

Chrisisbloodyall

Talking generally now and not about Rambo, I can agree with that statement about serious action movies. I don't like it when they tone down the blood and gore just so they can get a lower rating and attract a younger audience. I can understand why they do, but I wish they wouldn't.
On the other hand I also don't like it when there's blood and guts just for the sake of it. Like when someone shoots a pistol with normal bullets and the targets body part blows away. Or in horror movies when the makers feel gore can replace real shocks and scares.
Violence, blood and gore SHOULD be shocking, and can be under the right circumstances.

Bringing it back to the point of Rambo I felt that it was a too close to the latter area IMO. That it was violence for the sake of it and it detracted from what I felt was intended to be a more serious movie, and closer to the original. I just don't think it made it.
I guess we'll just have to differ on that one.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:00 AM

Originally posted by chrisisall:

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I hate 'serious' action flicks where tons of virtually bloodless squeeky-clean violence ensues. My rule: if the action is FUN, it had better be a superhero movie or something, because violence, real violence, is NOT fun to watch. And that's why I liked Rambo- it was NOT fun to see the blood, but it served it's dramatic purpose IMO. I didn't think Stallone had it in him.

Hmmm. Interesting how this topic has developed.

I'm much like you Chris. I find it difficult to sit through 'realistic style' violence. What is realistic style violence?
Well I guess things like "The Deer Hunter" or "Saving Private Ryan" and even "Black Hawk Down".

That said there is also an obligation to make cinema goers realise that violence when it happens shouldn't be easy to take and there's an argument for violence on screen not to be tempered or else it does become like a cartoon (The Rambo sequels, The A-Team)

However I am partial to ludicrous violence because I find that much easier to sit through. Films like Predator and Total Recall even Alien (but in a slightly different way). There's a point where it has to go overboard or else it just jars the audience. Total Recall was good for that because right from the off, when you see the news footage, you realise this is going to be violent but so much so that the reality is significantly removed and therefore easier to digest.

Still there are methods to presenting violence and I think the better filmakers know what they are doing and don't use it as a tool for exploitation. Time often filters these kinds of films out, like Dirty Harry. On later viewing Dirty Harry really has little more going for it with the violence other than just plain exploitation and the excuse to fire that magnum off. It's pretty daft in places.

When violence holds up as being inherent to the plot it is often difficult to sit through repeated viewings as with Schindler's List or A Clockwork Orange, and I think that is the point of those films.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:11 AM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

However I am partial to ludicrous violence

The original definition of ludicrous violence is Robocop, I believe.

Chrisisall

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:25 PM

SINGATE

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:

However I am partial to ludicrous violence

The original definition of ludicrous violence is Robocop, I believe.

If I'm not mistaken Planet Terror is the current title holder. Takes ludicrous to a whole new level.

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Monday, October 13, 2008 3:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Your right, The Cooler was an underappreciated movie. And Mario Bello (I'll say it again, what a woman!) is one of the most underapprecaited actors in recent times. She is soooo good. She is so effortless in almost every role I see her in.

I'm ready for my closeup Mr. DeMille

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:14 AM

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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
Well I enoyed Indy 4.

Frankly there was little that was going to stop me enjoying this film as it's original was perhaps the single greatest reason why I love cinema, and I was certainly not going to let 21st century 'cool' or cynism as I like to call it, ruin the experience of going to see it at the flicks with my girlfriend.

Finally saw it & I'm on the 'liked it' side of the fence. I had no problem with the Close Encounter, or hardly anything else..just three things bugged me- that fridge hit the ground a little hard for ANYONE not to be dead or unconscious, the cinematography wasn't as rich and luscious as the previous entries, and CGI was a little pervasive. Other than that, it was a solid Indy flick, and Karen Allen's stuff made it a KEEPER!!!!!

Marionisall

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:39 AM

Originally posted by chrisisall:

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the cinematography wasn't as rich and luscious as the previous entries,

Y'know I've noted that since Spielberg used Janusz Kaminski his films have taken on a more 'washed' out look in terms of his hues. Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, Indy 4... all seems lacking in vibrancy. Could just be what he is into nowadays, but it is a pity.

Glad you enjoyed it Chrisiall.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:45 AM

I was amazed, watching the making-of stuff on the 2nd disk, that a LOT of what I thought was CGI was actually done live action. But the image was filtered so friggin much, that even what was real ends up looking CG. Odd.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
the image was filtered so friggin much, that even what was real ends up looking CG. Odd.

I think too much digital color correcting & image adjustment actually hurts the look of filmed entertainment. It's like, gimme flicks with no budget again, dude!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:19 AM

I agree. And I was totally blown away by what they built for the movie!!! There was actually very little blue/green screen used compared to most movies. It seems they used it only when they absolutly had to. But the temples and sets and booby traps that were all built to function was amazing! I also thought it was interesting that Indy 4 was shot on film rather than going digital...especially with Lucas involved.

I liked the movie the first time around, but watching the extras gave me a whole new appreciation for it. Well done!

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:25 AM

My first viewing is what I call my 'look see' viewing- I withhold emotional involvement in case of suckage, my next viewing will surely be much more positive about the flick.

Concerning lack O' CGI, I did appreciate the practical stuff immensely, but that fridge...not only a dubious survival tac, but the only really bad CGI.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
but that fridge...not only a dubious survival tac, but the only really bad CGI.

I would add the ground hogs, and Shia's army of monkees.

I really would like to see an un-filtered cut of that jeep chase in the jungle. In the raw shots they showed, it looked a lot like the truck chase from Raiders (my favorite film EVER, by the by).

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I would add the ground hogs, and Shia's army of monkees.

Comic relief gets a partial bad CGI pass from me...but only partial, mind you.

Hey, did the end of the movie remind anyone else just a little of Mummy Returns?

Heh heh Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Hey, did the end of the movie remind anyone else just a little of Mummy Returns?

Yeah, that was one on my big initial beefs with the movie. They had to go an rip-off the ending of The Mummy (trecherous sidekick undone by stealing from the treasure room) and The Mummy Returns (pyramid sucked into vortex).

I found it either extremely lazy, or (and this is a long shot) extremely meta, for ripping off a rip off of their own movies.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I found it either extremely lazy, or (and this is a long shot) extremely meta, for ripping off a rip off of their own movies.

Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:26 PM

Originally posted by chrisisall:

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but that fridge...not only a dubious survival tac, but the only really bad CGI.

Ha,ha I've heard so many freinds mention the fridge survival. Thing is though it's INDY. He's suppose to be indomitable. It's no good having him at a safe distance and then surviving a nuclear explosion. It just wouldn't be anything special. He has to be at ground zero. That's the character. It's a one in a million shot and that one in a million is Indy.

The only CGI that I didn't like were the ants, not because they looked bad or anything but no matter what you do with creatures that small they look like moving carpet.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:32 PM

Totally disagree. The fridge scene nearly ruins the whole movie for me. Indy's always been in extreme and fantastical situation, but through it all, he's human. He hurts, he bleeds. A single punch can and has sent hem reeling. A tumble like that in the fridge would have broken every bone in his body. It was on par with the equally rediculous raft scene in Temple of Doom.

There's a reason that the phrase "Nuking the fridge" is starting to become the film equivalent to a TV show's "Jumping the shark".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:02 PM

Originally posted by Storymark:

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Totally disagree. The fridge scene nearly ruins the whole movie for me. Indy's always been in extreme and fantastical situation, but through it all, he's human. He hurts, he bleeds. A single punch can and has sent hem reeling. A tumble like that in the fridge would have broken every bone in his body. It was on par with the equally rediculous raft scene in Temple of Doom.

Y'know if we really go down this line of thought we're going to ruin the whole adventure for ourselves, starting with Raiders.

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Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:01 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

There's a reason that the phrase "Nuking the fridge" is starting to become the film equivalent to a TV show's "Jumping the shark".

I didn't mind that he survived (he had to), but a small acknowledgement that it HURT might have been appropriate.

Ouchisall

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Friday, October 17, 2008 6:04 AM

Yeah, even that much of an aknowledgement would have helped immensely.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:31 AM

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:11 AM

See, that was probably my biggest problem with this scene compared to others in the earlier series.
However OTT they may have been they always came back to reality somewhat because Indy got hurt.
Where was the pain in the nuke scene?

Take the tank scene in Last Crusade for example. Indy is beaten up, ran against the wall and then driven off the cliff. Definitely a scene that would test the sturdiest hero. Then he clambers back up (not very easily) and wonders what is going on. Jokes ensue and then he falls flat on his ass completely knackered and beaten.

Indy got out of the fridge in KOTCS and barely stumbled. No cuts and no (visible) bruising. Plus he is a lot older these days and wouldn't be able to take the brunt of it like he did before. At some stages in the film it looked like he had trouble walking, never mind anything else.

I just hope they don't do the next one I've heard rumours about.

BTW I love the line about 'nuking the fridge' being used for movies like 'jumping the shark' is for TV.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:28 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Indy got out of the fridge in KOTCS and barely stumbled.

I forgive it only because it's the only thing in the movie like that (personally, I would have had the fridge door open and had Indy mostly unconscious, just waking to the fireball in the sky...).

ChrissmashsoonChrisisall

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by lwaves:

Indy got out of the fridge in KOTCS and barely stumbled.
I forgive it only because it's the only thing in the movie like that (personally, I would have had the fridge door open and had Indy mostly unconscious, just waking to the fireball in the sky...).

ChrissmashsoonChrisisall

If it was just that I could forgive it as well, but IMHO there was a hell of a lot more wrong with it. Some will disagree and that's fair enough, but I think the bad far out-weighed the good.
Oh well, at least I have the original three.

Yep, nine and a bit weeks till the jolly fat man breaks into our homes. And this year (thanks to change of company ownership) I get two full weeks off instead of one week off. Yippee.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:23 PM

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I think the bad far out-weighed the good.
Oh well, at least I have the original three.

Really, let's analyze the differences...

The look of the film was somewhat washed out (no Slocombe).

Ford was, of course, older looking.

The music was not as vibrant as it could have been (I mean the new themes).

Russians instead of Nazis.

Did I miss anything? Seem like mostly small potatoes to me...Doctor Jones.

isall

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Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:36 PM