Jack Ryan in the movies- any fans here? by chrisisall

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Jack Ryan in the movies- any fans here?

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Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:36 PM

CHRISISALL

Before that lame Jack Bauer, Jack Ryan was OUR James Bond!

Which movie(s) was the best in your opinion?

The covert Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:03 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I happen to like all Jack Ryan portrayals. ( Alec Baldwin, Harrison Ford and Ben Affleck. )

However, my favorite character is John Clark, and the only one whose done justice to him is Liev Schreiber. William Defoe was an abomination beyond words.

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Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:06 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I happen to like all Jack Ryan portrayals. ( Alec Baldwin, Harrison Ford and Ben Affleck. )

Yeah, I liked 'em all too, but I think my favourite movie was Patriot Games, like they said in Jaws 2, this time it's personal

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However, my favorite character is John Clark, and the only one whose done justice to him is Liev Schreiber. William Defoe was an abomination beyond words.

EDIT: oh, that guy...it's been a while...

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Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:23 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

Alec Baldwin for a younger Jack Ryan but Harrison Ford did kick A*S as an older one and it was too personal in Patriot Games.

I don't think Executive Orders could be made, the sight of a plane diving into the Capitol building would bring back too many memories og 9/11.

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Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:01 PM

MSA

NVG here:

Without Remorse NEEDS to be made.

RIGHTNOWISALL!!!

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 7:10 AM

CHRISISALL

Who would win in a fight, Bond or Ryan?

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:48 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Who would win in a fight, Bond or Ryan?

The Clear & Present Chrisisall

While Ryan is a Marine, he's main line of work isn't in the field. A better comparison would be Clark vs Bond. Clark wipes the floor w/ the Brits spy guy, no contest.

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by MsA:
Without Remorse NEEDS to be made.

RIGHTNOWISALL!!!

I thought that exact same thing, when I read it. Brutal and graphic, in some parts. Especially the iron lung bit.

Ouch.

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:04 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

While Ryan is a Marine, he's main line of work isn't in the field. A better comparison would be Clark vs Bond. Clark wipes the floor w/ the Brits spy guy, no contest.

Now that I think on it, it was a stupid question. Different characters, franchises & movies work on different operational realism levels. Bond movies range wildly from like 60% to 10%, while the Ford Ryan flicks are closer to 75 or 80%, so direct comparisons of physical abilities are problematic at best.
If one were to equalize the operational realism of both characters, my guess would be that hand to hand, Ryan might win just on the health factor, he seems to take better care of himself than Bond. Of course, realism aside, Bond would win, because, hey- he's Bond!

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:21 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Clark>007>Ryan

Agree Without Remorse should be made. Also
cardinal of the Kremlin could be made, set it the original time period. The Prequel to Hunt for Red October, right?

HfRO was a great film - despite Baldwin, I think a better book. Was that Alec's last decent film? And when will he leave America like he promised so mamy times?

No idea why they went with Afleck. Ford sold it, but really was a 45 year old playing a 30 year old.

Remember destroying Congress was BEFORE 9/11.
Clear & Present Danger was the falling off point, when Sherry Lansing stiffed Clancy, and then Clancy gave bigger parts to the character Sherry killed off.

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:18 AM

BRIGLAD

Don't get me started on the "Ryanverse"

Before Firefly, I was heavily into Tom Clancy's work.

AS for the books that could be made in today's climate.

"Rainbow Six"
"Without Remorse"
"Cardinal of the Kremlin"
"Red Rabbit"
"Bear and the Dragon"

Out of the Ryanverse, I'd Say SSN would be a good movie as well as an expanded version of any of the short stories he wrote to go with his military series.

Brian

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:33 AM

MACBAKER

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Before that lame Jack Bauer, Jack Ryan was OUR James Bond!

Jason Bourne is OUR James Bond! He would wipe out Bauer, Bond and Ryan before they even knew he was targeting them!

I liked Alex and Harrison in the role, but Ben Affleck was a horrible Jack Ryan.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:35 AM

NVGHOSTRIDER

Rainbox Six would just be a fun movie to watch. Especially with so many rabid anti-human groups about.

Age Liev Schrieber and call in Ray Cruz to continue as Ding Chavez. Rare is it for Hollywierd to get the characters right. THose two really knocked it out as Clark and Chavez.

Schrieber is the right age to play Clark in Without Remorse.

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:11 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by MacBaker:

Jason Bourne is OUR James Bond! He would wipe out Bauer, Bond and Ryan before they even knew he was targeting them!

Bourne is badass, but he is not of the body.
Bond & Ryan work within the system.

Still waiting for a less tongue-in-cheek version of Derek Flint myself.

The covert Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:25 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by MacBaker:

Jason Bourne is OUR James Bond! He would wipe out Bauer, Bond and Ryan before they even knew he was targeting them!

Bourne is badass, but he is not of the body.
Bond & Ryan work within the system.

Still waiting for a less tongue-in-cheek version of Derek Flint myself.

The covert Chrisisall

Bourne was within the system, until the system was corrupted and decided to take him out, and then tried to do so. Bond is not that much different, except that he works outside the system sometimes, and then within the system when it is convenient. Much of Bond's outside the system is apparently just to peeve his bosses, or Q.
Bourne is our Bond, and eats Bond for lunch. Bourne and Bond are Agents. Ryan is not an Agent, but an Analyst.

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Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:53 AM

LWAVES

Yeah the Ryan movies are great and whilst they are all good I think Ford wins out (but he did get more of a go at it).
Patiot Games is the best of the bunch, then Red October, Clear And Present then Sum Of All Fears.

My favourite character is the one the great James Earl Jones plays, especially the bit when he shows his ID, stops the button being pressed and says he was never here.

Put Ryan, Bourne, Bond and Flint together and no-one would dare to do anything. That would be a formidable team. As to whether they'd be able to work together.....

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Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:25 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Bourne and Bond are Agents. Ryan is not an Agent, but an Analyst.

*Thinks*

Ryan and Bond have their memories intact, Bourne does not.

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Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:51 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by lwaves:

Patiot Games is the best of the bunch

'Tis my favourite, but I can't really say it's better than HFRO or CAPD...

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Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:10 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Jack Ryan is America’s James Bond? That’s a little sad, but okay. Yeah, I like Jack Ryan, but there’s too much drama and too much politics. James Bond was a covert British assassin. Jack Ryan is a CIA analyst. That’s just kind of a sad comparison. I like all the Jack Ryan movies, but I’m never thought of him as America’s James Bond.

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Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:18 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
never thought of him as America’s James Bond.

Actually, it's a comparison purely because of the movies where Ford gets to kick ass, he doesn't have a license to kill or anything.

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Monday, December 29, 2008 1:07 PM

GRIZWALD

Only one I liked was the HfRO. Other movies were sad and getting sadder as time went by. I like the books, all except Without Remorse, which I was glad to read once but probably will never read again.

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Monday, December 29, 2008 1:15 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Grizwald:
Only one I liked was the HfRO. Other movies were sad and getting sadder as time went by.

You mean sad as in getting farther away from the source material?

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Monday, December 29, 2008 1:17 PM

GRIZWALD

Yeah.

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Monday, December 29, 2008 7:55 PM

VETERAN

Don't squat with your spurs on.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Before that lame Jack Bauer, Jack Ryan was OUR James Bond!

I know they're from the small screen but as to an American Bond what about Napolean Solo (Man from UNCLE) or James West (Wild, Wild West)?

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Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:56 AM

CHRISISALL

Great, but budget-challenged.

The movie-snob Chrisisall

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