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Watchmen

POSTED BY: ECGORDON
UPDATED: Monday, December 14, 2009 08:36
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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

again?

Wow.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:40 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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again?

Wow.

I think it is worth another view even if you don't. To each his own.

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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:37 PM

SINGATE

Definitely worth a second view. In fact I pretty much did the same as you: saw the movie, reread the book, saw the movie a second time. The second viewing was partially motivated by a person who needed someone to go with but I would have seen it again regardless.

My copilot, who hasn't read the book, raised some points that I'm sure many newbies had.

What's up with the mask?
What's the deal with that weird cat?
Why is Ozywhatshisname faster and stronger than everyone else?

It really had not occured to me that none of this is actually spelled out in the film. Then again you can't fit everything in even with a 2 hour 43 minute run time.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Friday, March 20, 2009 11:52 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

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What's up with the mask?

I assume you refer to Rorschach? He had cut the mask from a cloth produced by technologies made possible with the advent of Dr. Manhattan. In the 60's Manhattan brought new tech to the people, this is why cars are electric and fuel up at "spark hydrants". The boy reading "Tales of the Black Freighter" is leaning on a spark hydrant. The cloth was presented to Rorschach in the 60's when he was young and working in a textile factory. It was rejected as being "ugly" since it changed features and "flowed" with the light. He pulled it out of the garbage and made it his face.

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What's the deal with that weird cat?

Ozymandias had been performing genetic experiments to improve humanity after his "Solution" to bring everyone together. Bubastis was a result. The tropical paradise in his vivarium (not in the movie) was another.

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Why is Ozywhatshisname faster and stronger than everyone else?

He spent his life turning himself into the perfect human, and was aided by his science research as well. Dan (night owl) was getting fat and slow and Rorschach was overly-angry thus making mistakes in combat. Adrian (ozymandius) was able to make short work of them...but by the time he confronted them in his antartic stronghold his goal was no longer to kill (as it was with the comedian)...only make it impossible for them to interfere.

Singate, I'll tell you this only because I know you to be a Gaiman Fan on my level. Go get your copy of Worlds End (Sandman book 8) and turn to the story "Golden Boy" about Prez Ricard. In the sequence where people speculate how prez dies there is a panel that says "One theory was that the woman who shot prez's fiance rose from the grave and killed prez, but people laughed this off as silly" Look closely at that panel and note the smiley button she is wearing. It is the comedians button with the drop of red. Gaiman had met Allen Moore around the time he was writing World's End and was offering a nod to Moore's work.

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:01 PM

OPPYH

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again?

Wow.

I just finished my second viewing tonight. I loved it even more the second time. This is a great movie. Bring on the Blu-Ray already!!!

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Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:11 PM

SINGATE

Bluesuncompanyman I think we got our wires crossed. Those questions did not come from me but the person I went with during my second viewing. The reason I brought up those points was because I can see how many people who have not read the book would be very confused by some elements in the film. I was trying my best to explain these things during the course of the movie but it was difficult to fire out quick and concise answers. I did manage to clear up the confusing parts during the ride home.

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We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

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Friday, March 27, 2009 10:05 PM

HKCAVALIER

...Here be spoilers...

Saw the movie tonight, pretty mixed experience. Wasn't really a fan of the novel, but I thought filming it might humanize the misanthropic caricatures Moore wrote and it did. I thought the performances were strong, I didn't mind the old age make-up. The comic book dialogue was really clunky, clunky, clunky. Moore just doesn't like people. The only characters he doesn't disdain are the psychopaths--Rorschach and the Comedian.

I thought though that filming and condensing the sprawling, overwrought novel might help me understand what all the fuss is about. And for half of the movie, I was very engaged with the world of the film. Then we got Nite Owl and Silk Spectre II's really, really by the numbers sex life...lol And the prison break. And these not entirely engaging or likable characters start treating reality like it's a comic book, killing, maiming--I mean, Night Owl and Rorschach in a bar, Rorschach's breaking some "low life's" fingers and all Nite Owl does is wince and mug as if to say, "Jeez, I really wish he wouldn't do that...golly, this is awkward..." Moral compass, anyone? So they all kinda lost my sympathy.

The big thing I realized because of the movie was the specific weirdness of the big diabolical plan: this crazy idea that an elite bunch of folks can somehow scare the human race into treating each other well is just about the dumbest thing I ever heard. What I realized was that the Bible had exactly the same intention of social engineering: give the human race a common enemy (the Devil, Hell) to fear and they'll treat each other better.

Now, we all know how that worked out!

Fear is simply not a reliable motivating force for moral action. Why do people continually dream up schemes to scare people into being good? So, the end was really pointless and everyone's motivation just fell to pieces--y'know, except Rorschach of course.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:21 PM

OPPYH

It breaks my heart this has stalled at the box office, and probably won't recoup the production cost. Best movie of the year.

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Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:49 PM

WASHNWEAR

I don't know if this is already common knowledge - I haven't heard or read of it but noticed when I saw the movie last week: Matt Frewer (Max Headroom) is Moloch.

Surely everybody knows that, right?

Whether you remember or care who Max Headroom is is a different matter, of course.

W W R D ?
What would Rorschach do?

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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More (Moore) predictive programming from offshored Hollywood, of Illuminati's Pyramid (Scheme) Corp creating global governance (dictatorship) out of false-flag terrorism (JFK assassination from grassy knoll and WTC 9.11 per Operation Northwoods by Tricky Dick Nixon). Nixon BTW is president in Watchmen, whose White House plumbers confessed to shooting JFK in the Real World. "We had to terrorize USA to save USA" was the motto of this movie. New World Odor Satanism requires telling the sheep exactly what will happen to them, since silence is consent to adhesion contracts.

you're crazy, you know that?

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Monday, December 14, 2009 8:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Just for the title change.

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Monday, December 14, 2009 8:36 AM

STORYMARK

Watched part of the "Ultimate Cut" the other night (which is the Director's cut with the animated Black Freighter story inserted). It's cool to see from a completionist standpoint, but it does disrupt the pacing of the film, so I have to fall back on the DC as my favorite version of this film.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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