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Reilly said. "Not to mention, if we had canceled Joss’ show, I’d probably have 110 million e-mails this morning. So if you have something that has a core that you believe is working, it’s better than taking a wild play."

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Reilly said. "Not to mention, if we had canceled Joss’ show, I’d probably have 110 million e-mails this morning. So if you have something that has a core that you believe is working, it’s better than taking a wild play."

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I love Dollhouse but as far as the numbers go I didn't think it would get a second season from F*x, but according to this article: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/05/american-idol-its-
all-about-dollhouse.html it was renewed mostly out of faith in Joss Whedon and, as evidenced above, they didn't want to piss off the Browncoats and hardcore Whedon fans.
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Didn't want to piss off Browncoats!!.About 7 years too fucking late,don't you think?

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Didn't want to piss off Browncoats!!.About 7 years too fucking late,don't you think?

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This is exactly what I thought. They are basically giving us Dollhouse for all the effort we put in for Firefly. What kind of thinking is that? I personally wouldn't have put any effort into saving Dollhouse. It's ok but it's nothing special to me. If I try to save a show how about you give me the one I ask for rather than associating my fandom to some other related show? It's infuriating!

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Whedon shows do tend to gather steam in their second season, as witnessed with Buffy and Angel. Imagine what season two of Firefly would have been like.

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Whedon shows do tend to gather steam in their second season, as witnessed with Buffy and Angel. Imagine what season two of Firefly would have been like.

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What do you think I've been doing for the past seven years?

I think it's pretty ridiculous as well, but what'd you expect, F*x to admit their mistake and bring the show back? Yea, right. They'd rather let Whedon have a new show and not frak that one up, then when it's successful many seasons down the road they can take credit for giving it a second chance after a low-rated first season.
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Originally posted by RareAir23:
To comment about Dollhouse I first give my congrats to Joss, Eliza and the rest of the cast and crew. Good work. However; as I say that I cannot help but be uneasy about the renewal. History tells us with FOX and Joss AND Eliza that the latter 2 and Dollhouse are NOT out of the canceling woods yet. In case you don't remember let us then remember Eliza's other FOX show: Tru Calling.

Tru Calling in its partial Season 1 got far better ratings than Dollhouse, had good DVD earning potential and had a rabid cult fanbase asking for more. FOX saw this and gave it a full 22-episode renewal notice. Then as shooting began, everything fell apart. The 22-episode order got cut nearly in half to 14 episodes and the premiere was delayed to late February of that TV season...for no reason. Then as weeks went by the episode order went from 14 to 12 to 8 to 4 to just 2 and the premiere was set for late March. FOX showed just 1 episode and canceled Tru outright.

Let us always remember FOX has screwed over us Browncoats a ton of times over the years and have done it willingly and openly to the Hollywood crowd. Let us also remember FOX HATES the Browncoat nation and will not stop raining down fire on us until we are no more and our voice is silenced. Way I see it and point is renewing Dollhouse may look like a blessing and victory but for all we know it could but a ruse and an illusion...that leads to a curse and another loss. FOX has done this to Eliza before and Joss too...they could do it again. Exactly like they did with Tru...exactly in the same way. Always remember that. I am out!

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Tru Calling in its partial Season 1 got far better ratings than Dollhouse, had good DVD earning potential and had a rabid cult fanbase asking for more. FOX saw this and gave it a full 22-episode renewal notice. Then as shooting began, everything fell apart. The 22-episode order got cut nearly in half to 14 episodes and the premiere was delayed to late February of that TV season...for no reason. Then as weeks went by the episode order went from 14 to 12 to 8 to 4 to just 2 and the premiere was set for late March. FOX showed just 1 episode and canceled Tru outright.

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Let us always remember FOX has screwed over us Browncoats a ton of times over the years and have done it willingly and openly to the Hollywood crowd. Let us also remember FOX HATES the Browncoat nation and will not stop raining down fire on us until we are no more and our voice is silenced. Way I see it and point is renewing Dollhouse may look like a blessing and victory but for all we know it could but a ruse and an illusion...that leads to a curse and another loss. FOX has done this to Eliza before and Joss too...they could do it again. Exactly like they did with Tru...exactly in the same way. Always remember that. I am out!

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You know, I have to agree with the first part. 13 episodes isn't necessarily a renewal; it's a vehicle to sell another DVD set.

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You know, I have to agree with the first part. 13 episodes isn't necessarily a renewal; it's a vehicle to sell another DVD set.

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*Psst* They ordered one set of episodes. Then another. That's a renewal - by definition.

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This is exactly what I thought. They are basically giving us Dollhouse for all the effort we put in for Firefly. What kind of thinking is that? I personally wouldn't have put any effort into saving Dollhouse. It's ok but it's nothing special to me. If I try to save a show how about you give me the one I ask for rather than associating my fandom to some other related show? It's infuriating!

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For whatever reason, I don't care. I think Dollhouse is a great show and I am happy to see it continue. I hope they give it a better time slot. I could see Fringe and Dollhouse back to back. They complement each other.

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For whatever reason, I don't care. I think Dollhouse is a great show and I am happy to see it continue. I hope they give it a better time slot. I could see Fringe and Dollhouse back to back. They complement each other.

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I'm going to be completely different here and say that I don't think they care about the Joss Whedon fans at all. I think they're joking (haha! ) when they say stuff like they're afraid of how much email they're going to get if they piss off the fans.

I think they care about the money. Period. They like making money with their own, off of their own and in this case they kill three birds with one stone. They keep Joss ( who they really want to work with ), they don't have to come up with a fresh idea, but only invest in something already going and seeing as they own it, lock, stock and barrel, they stand to make good money off of DVD sales.

I don't think they think very much about Firefly. I think they'd think about it if it would make them money, but it's not going to right now, so they aren't thinking about it right now. Maybe that will change after a couple of years of DollHouse, but I doubt it. DollHouse will be the new focus.

The folks that canceled Firefly at Fox, are no longer at Fox. Completely different people. They aren't profiting off of anything current of Joss'.

Traveler, I agree with you. DollHouse is a good show, I'm enjoying it for as long as it lasts. I'd LOVE to see it paired with Fringe!



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They may not be the same people, but there making the same choices, cancelling DARK ANGEL, FIREFLY, and now TSCC, Those are conciouse choices to piss off anyone remotly in sci-fi. The only vice i have against FIREFLY, is that FOX cancelled DARK ANGEL to put it on, but look at how FOX cancelled DARK ANGEL, they told the cast that theyed pick it up for a third season, and the day of the announcement, "Sorry, but we have to cancell you, but i hope we hope you'll watch our new show FIREFLY, it'll be good, we have big prospects for it." In the end FIREFLY got put in the pipe like DARK ANGEL, don't get me wrong, i love FIREFLY, but i loved DA just a smidggen more.

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