TERRMINATOR 'VERSE by jameron4eva

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TERRMINATOR 'VERSE

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Friday, July 31, 2009 6:24 AM

Since no one has made a Terminator post, on the series in general, i will.

The basics of Terminator-
Okay, to truly understand the whole series, watch the first movie, second, third, and fourth all in order. That is what's known as the first, (original) timeline.

Then you watch 1 to T-2, skip T-3, then watch the fourth, That is the second official timeline.

Then watch T-1, T-1, then TSCC, and that is the third official timeline, skipping T-3, and T-4.

The biggest problem in understanding Terminator's verse, is timeline's, and time travel. The simplist thing to do is what John said in TSCC, "I don't try to think about it to much, give's me a headache. I just, go with the flow."

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:28 AM

ANDREWT1000

Exactly!
Every time they tried to change a future outcome it changed it in an unpredictable way.
TSCC kinda fits in between T:2 and T:3, but having seen T:Salvation, John says very clearly, "This is not the future my mother told me about"
Personally I thought T3 was kinda dumb, I know its just a movie and I should suspend my disbelief, but watching T3 you need a dozen Firefly class ships to suspend any disbelief.
I mean a busty, gorgeous she-terminator that could control other machines?
WTF?
I could have dealt with her controlling electronic devices, but the stupid premise of her being able to remotely drive multiple cars?
Good science fiction should be believable, which is not to say you can't have a truly fantastic concept, just make it believably fantastic.

This is why I think TSCC worked, it was gritty, down to earth and well written.

Shiny! Let's be bad guys!

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:36 AM

DEWRASTLER

In general, I think the problem with T:SCC is in its title. It's the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it takes place between T2 and T3. Sarah's already a complete BAMF by the time T2 comes around. Linda Hamilton's transformation between T1 and T2 was amazing. She went from simple waitress to hardcore between those movies, while raising a son. That's the part of the timeline where the Sarah Connor Chronicles should have taken place. Once we get to T2, it's no longer her story, it's John's.

This show should have been the John Connor Chronicles and focuses solely on how John grew to become the kind of man that could be the leader of the human resistance. T:SCC had some really good episodes, and they were the ones the focused on John. In the middle of season 2 they went on an odd tangent that focused on Sarah because the writers thought they should focus more on their title character, and I think that is somewhere they went wrong.

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 7:18 AM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by Dewrastler:
It's the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it takes place between T2 and T3.

You're not thinking n-dimensionally there

It takes place in an alternate time-line that branches off after T2 and in which the events of T3 never happen. (One might conclude that John and Sarah are the real reason that Judgement Day happens).

There are two very important reasons for that: (1) poor fan response to T3 but more importantly (2) its much, much cheaper to film something set in the present day than even a decade ago, let alone the 1980s (unless you really don't give a wet slap about production values).

The real problem is that, like many SF shows with a "closed" concept, it was just too long with too many filler episodes and no real resolution at the end of each season. If you want something that's going to run for 10 years, have a nice open-ended concept like some dudes exploring the galaxy in a spaceship.

IMHO what they should have done is killed off Sarah Connor at the end of season 2, and if they had got renewed, gone with your "John Connor Chronicles" idea.

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 8:11 AM

CYBERSNARK

TSCC has to jump over T3 --that was kinda the point of the pilot ep (what with bringing Sarah forward past the point when she would've died). It also brought her (and John) past the Terminatrix's arrival, and therefore avoided that particular Judgement Day scenario.

And the show needed to be about Sarah because the whole point was that John needed Sarah alive (or at least thought he did). They can't win without her as a leader. He (apparently) sent Cameron to the past explicitly to rewrite the future he was in, because he doubted his own skills as a leader.

The ongoing arc would likely have seen Sarah coming to realize this (that by trying to protect/train him, she was smothering him), and realizing that she needed to let go. It would've been the perfect time to explore that, with him trapped with Weaver in the non-John Connor future and Sarah being left effectively childless against the nascent Skynet (with her only ally being Ellison).

I think S3 would've ended with John (and Cameron 2.0 [a merger of John Henry and Cameron]) returning from the future --as the Hero he was meant to be but could never have become. One who realizes that a human/machine war can only possibly end with both sides destroyed, and that there must be an alliance between humans and John Henry against Skynet (adding layers of subtext to his relationship with Cameron --a symbolic "marriage" of the best of humanity with the best of AI --with Sarah and Skynet becoming the "dark" counterparts; a genocidal AI and a human who has lost the mission and become the very thing she hates: a ruthless killer).

S4 could've been about the stress between Sarah and John, with her trying to come to terms with what he's grown into --someone who doesn't agree with her. Perhaps culminating with Sarah deciding to follow her son (they may disagree, but he's the Leader, and so she'll follow his orders), and sacrificing herself to protect Cameron (as Cameron would've sacrificed herself for John).

John and Cameron end up together, on a new Judgement Day. Making their own Judgement. No future but that which they make for themselves.

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 8:52 AM

DEWRASTLER

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Originally posted by ImNotHere:
Quote:
Originally posted by Dewrastler:
It's the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and it takes place between T2 and T3.

You're not thinking n-dimensionally there

It takes place in an alternate time-line that branches off after T2 and in which the events of T3 never happen. (One might conclude that John and Sarah are the real reason that Judgement Day happens).

There are two very important reasons for that: (1) poor fan response to T3 but more importantly (2) its much, much cheaper to film something set in the present day than even a decade ago, let alone the 1980s (unless you really don't give a wet slap about production values).

I was just trying to get at the fact that it takes place after T2, which is where John's story starts and Sarah's should have ended.

And I agree, it is much cheaper to produce a show that takes place in present day. It avoids a lot of unnecessary problems. It would have been interesting, though, to have it set immediately following T2, but then most people would have been watching it saying to themselves, "they're saying Judgment Day is on this date, but it's already past in the real world, what's up with that?"

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