SyFy's ALICE by AURaptor

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SyFy's ALICE

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:40
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Monday, December 7, 2009 4:43 PM

America loves a winner!

Made by the folks who brought us Tin Man, the Wizard of Oz remake.

I'm kinda diggin' the 60's era mod scene at the casino.

And 'Alice' isn't too bad herself.

Meow.

The T.Rex they call JANE!

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Monday, December 7, 2009 7:18 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Got it saved to the hard drive, for watching later.

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Monday, December 7, 2009 8:18 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I just came on during the commercial to post a thread about it, and here I find one ready-made! Woo!

I think it's completely delightful. It seems very true to the original craziness of the story, all modernized and grown up. I think all the new takes on all the characters and creatures are just great. I adore Hatter, he's my favorite. I'll be back when I finish watching the conclusion.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 9:06 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

No one else had anything to say, huh? Man, I hate replying to myself.

There were a few times I felt like I'd missed something. Maybe I did, I know I missed a couple things in part one because I was watching a couple things at once. I was more into it for part two, though. But there seemed to be some jumps across the story river and I didn't see much in the way of bridges. I really liked what they did with it, I liked the characters a lot, like I said. I think this could have easily been a three-parter, fleshed some of that stuff out.
I kind of hope they release this on DVD. I'd like to watch it a few more times.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 4:08 PM

KWICKO

Sorry, Phoenix - I still haven't watched it.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 5:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I've not read the original 'Alice' and only recall the basic outline of the story, so any comparisons I have are pretty weak.

I'm guessing each character represented 'something' in the original, and I enjoyed their updated counterparts. Save the for White Knight. He sorta bugged me, and I'm not sure why. What really annoyed me though, was his bit at the end. That REALLY was poorly done. So bad, it was hard to watch. I mean... c'mon... really? There's make believe, and then there's flat out nonsense. Sorry, it didn't work for me.

Also, I couldn't help but notices the common themes in both Alice and Tin Man. Seems they could have come up w/ something a bit more original this time around.

The T.Rex they call JANE!

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 6:00 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I've only watched Part One so far, not sure when I'll get around to the conclusion. Not that impressed, although the second hour was a bit better than the first, and I do like Caterina's performance.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 6:15 PM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

I saw promos and figured it was going to be of a quality similar to their attempt to redo Wizard of Oz with "Tin Man".

Since I thought Tin Man was a time waste I figured Alice would be no different. I have no plans for it.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 7:05 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

What if Buffy the Vampyre Slayer kicked the Queen of England's ass? Watch Alice The Terrorist and find out.

With explosive demolition from V for Vendetta and 9/11 Inside Job.

Virtual sets were excellent. Flamingo ultralights look like fun. Max Headroom is lookin old.

Happy ending, unlike the Wizard of Oz, which was just a dream?

Makes me want to read the original, which was about magic mushrooms. MKULTRA mind control was the theme of the new tale.

Final brainwash said Prince Charles or Harry will make a fine king of England, no matter what kind of witch Liz is (keeps subversive producers out of the Tower of London). Rather than a Puritan Oliver Cromwell ending: off with the bitch's head (but did want to cut her finger off). So I was disappointed by that.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:11 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'm guessing each character represented 'something' in the original, and I enjoyed their updated counterparts. Save the for White Knight.

I thought the White Knight came closest to matching his Lewis Carroll counterpart from 'Through the Looking Glass.' You should really give the books a try. They're both very quick reads, and can shed some light on updates and interpretations. I've read them through several times when I need to kill a half hour or so. If you like to read in the bath, you can easily finish 'Adventures Underground' and 'Through the Looking Glass' before the water gets cold.
Most of the characters were revamped from Lewis Carroll's work. The original Alice's father never appeared in either story, though. Nor her mother, actually. The only relative of Alice I remember getting a glimpse of was her older sister. Anyhow, I could probably give a complete breakdown of what bits of the book were transmogrified for this trip to Wonderland, as well as what was left out and what was completely new, or so altered as to be completely new, but only if anyone were actually interested in that level of analyzing.
I do have to say at least one thing, though, since you mentioned the word 'nonsense.' The whole story was based on nonsense. That was a primary goal of the storyteller. You really can't look at anything out of Wonderland and expect it all to be sensical

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:17 PM

PEULSAR5

We sniff the air, we don't kiss the dirt.

TIVOd and watching this weekend.

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:29 PM

RIVERDANCER

It wasn't perfect by any means, and yet there are very few things I would change. Actually, most of what I would change would probably have to do more with some of the dialogue and its delivery than anything really in the story itself. I never really felt that they had strayed from Wonderland, and all the little nods to the books made me giggle throughout. It wasn't a blow-by-blow interpretation, but then it wasn't supposed to be, and it modernized quite well. I think it's a testament to the original work that it can become something like this and still have the same sort of feel.
...I've actually considered doing a dissertation on Alice in Wonderland, since it was one of my favorite books as a child, and likely contributed to my passion for literature. Can you tell I'm a bit of an Alice geek? I've gone so far in-depth with this whole world that I'm positively giddy to see all the new attention it's been getting.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
I could probably give a complete breakdown of what bits of the book were transmogrified for this trip to Wonderland, as well as what was left out and what was completely new, or so altered as to be completely new, but only if anyone were actually interested in that level of analyzing.

We should geek out.

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I just found the two stories ( Alice and Tin Man ) to be amazingly similar in their t.v. versions. Neither were very much a 're-telling' of the originals, but a continuation of sorts.

The T.Rex they call JANE!

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Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:26 PM

RIVERDANCER

I'm sorry to say I missed Tin Man. I'll need to look for it now. Oz is as much a part of my consciousness as Wonderland is, and I'd like to see it get this sort of telling.
Continuation is a good word for it.

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Friday, December 11, 2009 8:39 AM

SUASOR

I saw both Tim Man and Alice and thought both used a lot of imagination to get the most out of a small budget. Alice was very faithful to the characters, but with some interesting new interpretations.

Hey, it also worked with BSG.

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Friday, December 11, 2009 4:30 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
We should geek out.

Indubitably! I'll message you.

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Friday, December 11, 2009 4:48 PM

ASARIAN

A-li-ce... A-li-ce...

Nan demo nai! Was just having a Lain moment here! :) LOL

--
"Mei-mei, everything I have is right here." -- Simon Tam

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Friday, December 11, 2009 7:13 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I've been watching this vid over and over and over and over the last couple days, I thought maybe I'd share (Yes, it's all full of scenes from the movie, so spoilers for certain things ahoy) I am a Hopeless Fangirl of Squee, oh yes I am.

...
Well, crap, the scene it chooses to display as default kinda... well, crap. Nevermind. Sorry. Maybe later, when more DVR people have checked in.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:03 AM

EVILDINOSAUR

I agree, it was pretty good up until the end, I felt like there was some stuff missing at the end.

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The bit with the skeletons, I could easily tell from the very first images of them exactly what that was, how could noone in the castle or watever tell. And if that wasn't bad enough, the people flying up and dropping bombs couldn't tell? really?

Then the part where the guy in the red suit (king of hearts?) decided to stay and die, I didn't quite get that. He decides to be rebellious right there? where it leads to certain death? He'd been completely (mostly) loyal throughout the whole thing and then right there he decides to say no, seems like there was some stuff that could have been explained a bit more there.

Though for the most part it was what I expected from a syfy miniseries, I generally don't expect anything outstanding from them. (did they do lost room? if that's the case that one is the exception, it was truly awesome)

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:42 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
I'm sorry to say I missed Tin Man. I'll need to look for it now. Oz is as much a part of my consciousness as Wonderland is, and I'd like to see it get this sort of telling.
Continuation is a good word for it.

Sci-Fi is repeating the complete Tin Man miniseries tomorrow, Sunday December 13, beginning at 11AM EST, followed by a repeat of Alice from 5-9PM.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:22 AM

SUASOR

Given that Wonderland is a magical place, perhaps the queen just assumed all those "people" outside the casino were real. And Mr Heart, I think he had finally had just enough. Cashing in his chips, as it were.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:51 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by EvilDinosaur:
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Then the part where the ... king of hearts decided to stay and die, I didn't quite get that. He decides to be rebellious right there? where it leads to certain death? He'd been completely (mostly) loyal throughout the whole thing and then right there he decides to say no, seems like there was some stuff that could have been explained a bit more there.

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That was exactly what confused me the most! I think the whole ending 'battle' could have been fleshed out considerably. As to the very very end, though, I loved that. I'm such a sucker for romance, and I became a total sucker for Hatter as things went on. <3

Wish I could watch Tin Man and Alice tomorrow. I'll be working most of that time. Stupid work.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:15 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I watched Part 2 tonight, and while I enjoyed it I don't think I'd be interested in watching it again. There was quite a bit about it that was poorly done, all aspects from the writing, acting, the CGI and sets, and yet the best parts were the simplest.

Those were the character interactions during the more emotional moments, Alice's reaction when she finds out Jack is the Queen's son, Alice seeing her father and realizing he doesn't remember her, the White Knight recounting the story of when he was young and frightened, Alice and Hatter's farewell as well as their reunion.

I was most impressed with Caterina's performance, and other than a Season One "Castle" which I can't recall in detail, this is the only thing I've seen her in. Andrew Lee Potts was good too, much better than he was in Primeval. Matt Frewer was his usual loopy self, a bit predictable but entertaining.

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Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:00 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
the character interactions during the more emotional moments

The interactions alone, I would watch it again for. Several times, probably. The uber-geeky deconstruction of details between this Wonderland and Carroll's Wonderland... yeah, that's just what I do. Deconstructing, rewriting bits in my head... I could watch this thing dozens of times, easily. Because I am crazy. There, no one has to say it, I said it myself

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Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:
Originally posted by RiverDancer:
I'm sorry to say I missed Tin Man. I'll need to look for it now. Oz is as much a part of my consciousness as Wonderland is, and I'd like to see it get this sort of telling.
Continuation is a good word for it.

Sci-Fi is repeating the complete Tin Man miniseries tomorrow, Sunday December 13, beginning at 11AM EST, followed by a repeat of Alice from 5-9PM.

Select to view spoiler:

Just glanced at Tin Man, at the part where DG and her sister found the witch, in her prison....

At first, the witch appear to them as a little girl, with straight dark hair, in a blue dress.... curious. Very much like Alice looks...

The T.Rex they call JANE!

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Monday, March 22, 2010 4:46 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

Well, I just bought the movie on itunes. I know this discussion was ages ago and I don't know if anyone's interested, but the released version seems to have a few cut scenes in it, one in particular that deals with the King and Queen of Hearts, with her showing a great deal of jealousy towards the Duchess. It makes his comment at the end about there never being anyone else make a bit more sense.

I'm seeing things this time through that I didn't notice before ...including a few things that were slipped in there purely to pay homage to the original work, and don't make the most sense in the context of the story itself, but make me grin. It remains highly enjoyable to me, worth the purchase

~Hatter Groupie

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Monday, March 22, 2010 5:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Cool.

As much as I'm tempted to check out the Depp version on the big screen, I think I'll wait for the video. Heard less than stellar things about it thus far.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, March 22, 2010 6:09 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I have little interest in Tim Burton's version at this point. I do like Johnny Depp and was kind of excited when I heard about it, but it looks less interesting than I thought it would, and far less interesting than Alice.
To be honest, from the look of it, I think Burton's film should be called, "Mad Hearts, a love letter to Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp" since the character of Alice gets a fraction of the (preview) screentime that the Mad Hatter and Queen of Hearts seem to have. I know those two starring in Burton films are nothing new, but it gets a little old, especially when it distracts me that much from the story. Before I even see the story.

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:20 AM

RIVERDANCER

There is also an expanded scene in the Tea Shop where one man exchanges 'Desire' for 'Serenity' after some bartering. Might not have been a nod to our ship, but I still got a smile out of it.

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Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:40 PM

FARFLY

I got both Tin Man (in Jan) and Alice (July 6) from Amazon and have watched Alice four times already. Loved Caterina Scorsone's performance a lot. Favorite line, when Jack and Hatter are fighting Alice jumps between them saying "I'm the one with the black belt" and they stop fighting.

Anyway, I thought it was fun to watch. Even though three hours long it seemed to end to soon.

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