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HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE

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Monday, March 29, 2004 2:57 PM

Hi,
I'm trying to spread the word on a campaign to save Star Trek Enterprise. So I've decided to go around to a bunch of message boards. So this is the first one I came to, because us Browncoats really know how to get things done =) So now I'm asking for anyone who watches Enterprise, or any of the Trek's to step up and help out. This is serious, the last movie bombed, there may not be another one, and there's no way they would invest in another installment of Trek in the future if Enterprise gets the axe.

the links are:

www.saveenterprise.com
http://www.theapostleofgod.com/vidcaps/saveent.htm

there are many more, but these are the two I am a part of.
these are the adresses for writing in...

Mr. Brannon Braga / ERE ENTERPRISE
Cooper Building Room 205
Paramount Studios
5555 Melrose Ave
Hollywood, CA 90038-3112
U.S.A.

Mr. Eric Kim
Director of Programming
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025

If you can only write one person right Mr. Kim

Dawn Tarnofsky-Ostroff - President
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Mr. Leslie Moonves
President and CEO
CBS Television
CBS Television City
7800 W Beverly Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90036

thank you very much,
-Karl

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Monday, March 29, 2004 3:24 PM

OKKAY

Unfortunately, I'm of the opinion that Enterprise should be canceled. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the biggest Star Trek fans you'll find, but I feel that Enterprise is an insult to the Star Trek name. I don't think a cancellation of Enterprise will doom the entire Star Trek franchise, it's still too popular for them to get rid of it forever. They just need to cancel Enterprise, get rid of Bermaga, and wait a couple years before trying a new series.

If it were up to me, Enterprise would be gone next week.

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Monday, March 29, 2004 7:03 PM

ROCKETJOCK

I'm not as averse to Enterprise as many browncoats are -- some people on this site suffer from severe nacelle envy in my opinion -- but I find that I no longer sweat bullets at the thought of missing an episode.

The show has several strong points, starting with Scott Bacula's wonderfully subtle and gradual development of Captain Archer's personality, and I'm in awe of the job the prop department does in coming up with items that at once look more advanced than today's technology while simultaneously seeming more primitive that the stuff Kirk and company had -- this is the artistic equivalent of climbing fifty meters straight up while remaining underground at all times.

But -- my head starts to ache whenever they deal with time paradox, or the "temporal cold war" story arc, which obviously has no set goal in mind except to excuse blatant continuity gaffes. And they keep missing obvious bets -- why bring the fricking Ferengi into Archer's timeframe when you could use Orion pirates to fill the same stock-figure storytelling niche? Why advertise the "old west" episode as taking place on a parallel world -- which set me up to expect a Kirk-style "Parallel planet development" scenario -- when in fact it's just another "displaced earthlings" story?

When they get it right -- the treatment of the Andorians, for example -- the show shines. But for the most part, season-long story arc or not, it seems to be treading water at Warp five.

I used to joke that Deep Space Nine was nothing but methadone for the Babylon 5 addict; these days, Enterprise seems like nothing except methadone for the Firefly fanatic.

Best wishes on your campain. I'd like to see the show survive to become something better; but I don't have enough energy to worry about saving it as it is now.

"You can't enslave a free man. The most you can do is kill him." -- Robert A. Heinlein

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Monday, March 29, 2004 7:12 PM

WINTERFELL

I am a huge trek nerd.. I have watched every series but stopped loving it after DS9 ended. I thought Voyager was crap until I watched Enterprise (now they both share that title).. and YES, I watch it..every damn week.. cause I am that much of a fan that I will watch a show that I don't even like. Am I gunna lift a finger to save it when I could be devoting my time and energies to causes more worthy (ANGEL anyone).. hell no.. let bragga and berman fall.. we need a rest, and a new creative team. no more prequel shit. the only thing that can redeem this show is if Q shows up and says whoops.. this was all a mistake and ends all of it.

PS.. from what I have been told about the creation of DS9 vs B5 was that B5 was originally pitched to paramount and they turned it down and then engineered DS9 ripping off b5 anyway. though IMHO b5 wasn't all that and a bag of chips and DS9 didn't get good until all the Next Gen writers came on board and sisco lost his hair.

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Monday, March 29, 2004 7:25 PM

INSANESPIKE

I'm a huge trek fan, and have watched every single series. However, I have to say that having Enterprise cancelled wouldn't bother me much at all. Compared to the rest of the shows in the Trek franchise, Enterprise just doesn't hold a candle. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's absolutely HORRIBLE, but it's just not up to Star Trek standards. It's time to give Star Trek a break, and work on something new for few years.

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Monday, March 29, 2004 7:35 PM

SUCCATASH

Long live Star Trek, but I think Enterprise has got to go. In my opinion, it's the worst of all Star Trek.

I started a thread a couple of weeks ago about the next Star Trek series being set on the Klingon World.

Idea for future Star Trek TV
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=4204

I'd like to see a fresh new idea come from the Star Trek verse, I have faith. There are still places to go where no one has gone before, besides back in time.

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Monday, March 29, 2004 7:42 PM

SPACEMONKEY

I happen to agree with everyone here. Enterprise sucks. It's not worth the title "star Trek", much less the effort of being saved.

Firefly really spoiled me as to what GOOD sci-fi can be. If Enterprise where to go off the air tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it. I haven't seen an issue of it since Firefly first aired cause of how BAD it truly is compared to Firefly.

I think Star Trek needs a break from TV and Movies, and then after a few years of nothing new, make a new mini Series that really has good character development. Something you can really set your teeth into. People you care about. As it is now, I could careless about the whole trek thing in general.

The only exception to that rule would be the novels By Peter David. Now he can write Trek! (He also happens to be a Firefly fan, and personally knows Jewel Staite)

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Monday, March 29, 2004 8:05 PM

STEALTH

Hi From Downunder,

While I have to say that I have enjoyed Enterprise mainly from the second and now the third season where it's starting to find it's feet and following a plot/theme somewhat I don't know how much more can be done that hasn't been done a thousand time before but it has improved since season 1.
Note that as far as good television goes we're some what starved down here hence I may be biased due to the lack of comparison.
At least it got a fair chance to shine unlike the love of our lives that got pulled halfway through the first season.
Finding something decent to watch is getting harder and harder.
I would still miss it!

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Monday, March 29, 2004 10:11 PM

ATHERTONWING

I have never actually watched star trek due to the tags it carries, so i dont really care.And from what i have read there really isnt much point of rallying around to save a show as (or so i've heard) bad as this one, i mean what good will it do you in the end? look at the collosal angel campaign maybe the biggest ever but here we all are waiting in limbo...and in my opinion thats a show that deserves saving so on some level i can sympathise.

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Monday, March 29, 2004 10:19 PM

TALONPEST

I've been a Star Trek fan since I was nine. Now, thanks to Voyager and Enterprise, I'm embarassed to admit it. Take Enterprise out back and put it down like the dog that it is!

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:15 AM

KALIMEERI

A fan response like Joss got with Firefly resurrected something well worth saving, because it was an unprecedented action. Few things like this had ever happened before. It was a great tactic.

However ... if overused, the TV and movie people won't listen any more. That's the problem. Save that last bullet for Barbarossa, so to speak.

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:22 AM

MICRONAUT

I've been a Trek fan from waaaay back. I've watched all the shows, bought the BEST series, DS9, on DVD (of the "new" shows, anyway), and I make a little effort every week to watch Enterprise. I've got no problems with the settings, the characters, the ship, or the actors... but I really hate the writing.

There are several things wrong with Enterprises scripts and a lot of the problems start with Roddenberry's edict that "Fed types all get along." You wanna fix Trek? Ditch the edict (these are pre-Fed types anyway...), let them fight and argue and be generally odd and cranky... then have them GROW into a crew that becomes the template for the future Federation. Fix that problem, and 90% of the crappy scripts are gone. The other problems deals with the "anomaly of the week" syndrome... dump that in favor of "character issues of the week", throw in the occasional anomaly or bad guy or wacky situation as a backdrop for character development, and BAM! you've got a better script.

Other show problems deal with a lack of language, sex and violence... Trek has always been too clean... the stories need to be allowed to get "dirty" when needed (gratuitous shots of T'Pol's butt do not count, appreciated though they are...). "Jeremiah" didn't pull any punches and I think that was a great show (I'd love to have all sci-fi shows produced in the Jeremiah style, actually - screw the censors and the Moral Majority I say).

The only other major problem is the boring presentation. The camera work, lighting, and music (especially the music...) needs to be pumped up... Trek needs interesting angles, a hand camera, odd lights, moody music, etc. something to make it a little edgier...

Anyway, that's my two cents worth of opinion... I think Enterprise has a good foundation - the problem is that Berman and Paramount are so scared to mess with the Next Generation formula, they have doomed the show to death by blandness... and Trek deserves so much better.

"Just remember... all success is illusion: what has really been accomplished is the displacement of an area of specific failure to somewhere else... or is it the other way around?"

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:41 AM

GRUESOME

Quote:
Originally posted by Micronaut:
The other problems deals with the "anomaly of the week" syndrome... dump that in favor of "character issues of the week"

Ack... Funny how subjective things are... Thats EXACTLY the sort of tripe that I felt killed NextGen.

Typical week for my wife and I after the 5th season or so of NextGen:
"Oh, look honey, its a "troy" episode."
"I see... Ummm... Wanna watch cspan?"
"Sure."

Why not just put some lawyers on the enterprise while you are at it. Throw in a little crime and just turn it into EVERY OTHER SHOW ON TV!!

I do not like enterprise in its current form either... It just needs to go away. NONE of the series have captured the character interaction of The Original Series, IMO. The chemistry of Kirk, Bones and Spock remain unmatched. But at least part of Nextgen and some of DS9 compensated with GOOD PLOTS... Voyager and Enterprise had/have neither...

Character episodes? Bleh...

Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! YEAH!!!

Cheers,
Gruesome

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:46 AM

MILORADELL

I don't much care either way - stay on, go off. I don't watch it either way.

But....didn't the captain on Enterprise have a beagle - Porthos, or somesuch - and didn't Firefly talk about smuggling some black market beagles?? Now that's some kind of funny!

****
I know your name, jackass.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:02 AM

STILLSHINY

Hack, funny laughing,

No No please

Oh stop me!

Enterprise???

I'm evil

and must go pay pennance now.

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn." --Joss

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:59 AM

MICRONAUT

Quote:
Originally posted by gruesome:
Ack... Funny how subjective things are... Thats EXACTLY the sort of tripe that I felt killed NextGen.

Typical week for my wife and I after the 5th season or so of NextGen:
"Oh, look honey, its a "troy" episode."
"I see... Ummm... Wanna watch cspan?"
"Sure."

Why not just put some lawyers on the enterprise while you are at it. Throw in a little crime and just turn it into EVERY OTHER SHOW ON TV!!

Character episodes? Bleh...

Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! Anomoly! YEAH!!!

Let me clarify the "character issues" bit... character issues like "Jayne gets greedy and betrays Simon and River" or "Mal defends Inara's honor and ends up in a swordfight" or perhaps "Jayne finds he is the unlikely hero of a work town" or even "Inara convinces the crew to help an old friend, then has problems dealing with Mal's attraction to her...". Those issues Trek needs... not "Malcom tunes the phaser cannons" or "Trip screws up the engines" or "Archer goes nuts" type issues... those are plot device shows, not "character issue" shows... big difference.

"Just remember... all success is illusion: what has really been accomplished is the displacement of an area of specific failure to somewhere else... or is it the other way around?"

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:00 AM

COWARD

What's with the Barbarossa comment? If I'm not very much mistaken the guy drowned (in a really silly way I just can't seem to remember). Is this some kind of saying I don't know?

Anyways

I would really like to pretend I would care if Enterprise gets cancelled and honestly I probably would miss it, but it just doesn't do it for me anymore. Contrary to what others have said on this thread I love all the weird temporal cold war stuff, it's a good idea to create a connection between this series and past ST series.
But ST is just too squeaky clean and boring. Firefly and Farscape have shown us how you can make a Sci-Fi show without all the stupid morals and with good character development. Sorry but Star Trek needs to wake up and realize that things have changed.
Also the series is so US-American it makes you cringe (no offense to you Americans, I've got nothing against you). Everyone on the bridge is from an English-speaking country ('cept Hoshi), we only visit American locations (Oklahoma (Klingon crashes, San Fransisco (Starfleet), Florida (Xindi Attack). Seeing a pattern here? Also we see American culture everywhere, they eat American style food (ever see one of them eating an enchilada? or sushi? ('cept Hoshi in that episode where they all become crazy...)), they watch American movies, most of them ('cept Reed) speak with an American accent, plus you have American values aplenty (which where replaced by George W. Bush's values in season 3 (yes I see the difference), fight "Terrorism", defend us from the evil aliens, the whole "us versus them" scenario". I can find absolutely nothing I (a self-acknowledged "European") can relate to. NextGen had France, TOS had Russia (Checkov(sp?)). Both DS9 and Voyager had the same problem but not to the same extent.
At times Enterprise feels like a space western which it's, unlike Firefly, not supposed to. It's supposed to be about humanity reaching out to the stars, it's supposed to highlight what's bad with our current world situation by highlighting how we could do it better (again: remember the Russian sitting on the bridge in the middle of the cold war?).
Despite all it's flaws I still like Enterprise, but probably more because it's Star Trek (and I love Star Trek) than because of its merit as a series. I think the idea of Star Trek on another planet (such as Q'onos(Sp very much?) would be interesting. I think Star Trek as a prequel could have been interesting if they'd stuck to the original formula and reinvented the writing instead of the concept (some season 1 episodes were actually rather good). They need to wait a few years now. Then they need to come up with a BRILLIANT concept, then they need to hire brilliant writers, then they could try to make a new show. As it stands all I can say is good riddance, there are shows that deserve our support more than Enterprise.
If anyone in the US does not watch Wonderfalls I urge them to watch it. It's quite simply the best show I've had the pleasure of being introduced to in a looooong while. Also Angel deserves to stay a lot more than Enterprise does. Overall though TV has become bad for all of us cult addicts, hopefully it will recover soon....

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Coward

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:12 AM

GRUESOME

Quote:
Originally posted by Micronaut:
Let me clarify the "character issues" bit... character issues like "Jayne gets greedy and betrays Simon and River" or "Mal defends Inara's honor and ends up in a swordfight" or perhaps "Jayne finds he is the unlikely hero of a work town" or even "Inara convinces the crew to help an old friend, then has problems dealing with Mal's attraction to her...". Those issues Trek needs... not "Malcom tunes the phaser cannons" or "Trip screws up the engines" or "Archer goes nuts" type issues... those are plot device shows, not "character issue" shows... big difference.

Ohhhhh!

Ok, you meant character issues with people like Tim Minnear and Joss Whedon writing them... Ok, sure! I am all for THAT!

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:15 AM

FIREFLYGAL

I'm pretty much there with the others, I watch Enterprise because I'm a sci-fi geek but do I care if it gets canned, nah. I enjoy seeing Trip & Archer shirtless but that's certainly no reason to write a letter. I wish you luck but I guess I can't save something I don't believe in. Now Firefly, on the other hand....

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:27 AM

KALIMEERI

I thought she was still alive ... I'll have to check.

Jen dao mei.

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Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:28 AM

MICRONAUT

Exactly.

Quote:
Originally posted by gruesome:
Quote:
Originally posted by Micronaut:
Let me clarify the "character issues" bit... character issues like "Jayne gets greedy and betrays Simon and River" or "Mal defends Inara's honor and ends up in a swordfight" or perhaps "Jayne finds he is the unlikely hero of a work town" or even "Inara convinces the crew to help an old friend, then has problems dealing with Mal's attraction to her...". Those issues Trek needs... not "Malcom tunes the phaser cannons" or "Trip screws up the engines" or "Archer goes nuts" type issues... those are plot device shows, not "character issue" shows... big difference.

Ohhhhh!

Ok, you meant character issues with people like Tim Minnear and Joss Whedon writing them... Ok, sure! I am all for THAT!

"Just remember... all success is illusion: what has really been accomplished is the displacement of an area of specific failure to somewhere else... or is it the other way around?"

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Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:40 AM

RAPTOR

Well the original Star Trek was considered by Roddenberry to be a space western of sorts (wagon train to the stars) and Enterprise was meant to call back to that time. So it having the apperence at timee of a space western is not accidental.

But it appears based on the comments of others that they are basing their opinions on earlier episodes. the show, starting with the end of season two has taken on a much more arc style story, not to mention a darker one. it is alot less of a story of the week. and pretty much everything that has happened in the last year is serving the greater story. to stop the xindi from destroying earth and to find out the real reason why it happened in he first place.

I personally like the show (have since the begining) and hope it stays around. at the very least they get to completely what ever sstory arcs they have started.

in my view though Enterprise (and its writers) has with this lasted season taken the turn that too few shows do, into a story that lasts more then two episodes (or in this case an entire season). To me that shows lots of courage and i pray more shows follow suit.

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Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:40 AM

RAPTOR

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:46 AM

STFN

I'm with you ZiggyKarlos!

For those that wish to support the show please sign this Enterprise Petition: http://www.startrekfans.net/petition/index.php

StarTrekFans.net needs as many people as possible to support the Save Enterprise Petition. Please sign the petition to help keep Enterprise on the air for a total of SEVEN years!

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:56 AM

HJERMSTED

Where is the petition in support of officially ending the Star Trek franchise?

Can we at least have a ten year break from it? I'll sign that petition!

mattro

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:33 AM

ARODIN

I have more or less given up on Star Trek. It just isn't compelling anymore because they haven't tried to change anything or explore any new angles. Enterprise is just TNG in a different time and Voyager was TNG in a different place. The stories are all the same, and I think it's dreadfully dull. Only DS9 provided a different perspective, and it's arguably the best series of the franchise. They need to change the formula and explore a different aspect of the universe other than the heroic Starfleet ship captain and his (or her) crew. Even the ideas for a Starfleet Academy series, as horrific they are ("Wesley Trek"), would be better.

One reason that I enjoy Firefly so much is that it's the polar opposite of Star Trek. The Alliance is like the Federation with the uniformed crews and powerful, sterilized ships - and they're the bad guys.

Until I hear about a Star Trek series with a radically different perspective and not just another ship in another place or time, I'm not interested.

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:12 PM

CALHOUN

You sheep!

Enterprise may not be the best show but it is Sci Fi and as such ranks above just about everything else on TV.

Fight to keep all Sci Fi and flush the rest of the crap...(I can think of a million sitcoms and reality shows that i'd like to see go before Enterprise)

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 4:10 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Ideas for an original star trek series.....

How about one from the Klingon point of view, they could start it with the lead character hacking his former Captain in half in order to assume command and save the day.....

And hire NEW writers

" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "

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Wednesday, August 4, 2004 4:48 PM

OUTLANDER

I've always felt that the problem with Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 is that the writers come up with a potentially interesting concept for a series, but they never seem to follow through with the quality writing to make the concept work.

To me this is the big difference between the writers on Star Trek and Joss Whedon and his team of writers. Joss Whedon comes up with and interesting concept (Buffy, Angel & Firefly), and he and his team of writers make it work incredibly well.

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Saturday, August 7, 2004 11:00 AM

OUTSIDER

Quote:
Originally posted by outlander:
I've always felt that the problem with Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 is that the writers come up with a potentially interesting concept for a series, but they never seem to follow through with the quality writing to make the concept work.

To me this is the big difference between the writers on Star Trek and Joss Whedon and his team of writers. Joss Whedon comes up with and interesting concept (Buffy, Angel & Firefly), and he and his team of writers make it work incredibly well.

Part of this, of course, is that all of Joss' shows operate with him at the head. He oversees damn-near everything. The same is not quite true with the various Treks. Whilst they did have the top guys (Berman & Braga specifically), I don't think they read every script, made notes, and re-wrote it where necessary like Joss seems to do on all his shows. In fact, the only exception I'm aware of in Trek is DS9 where Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore essentially took over from Berman & co. That show featured a similar singular vision behind it that none of the other Treks have had since Roddenberry died.

For the record, though, I don't believe Enterprise is worth saving either. That a show that bad can carry on into its fourth season, whilst Firefly doesn't even finish ONE is a contradiction beyond my powers of comprehension.

--------
"Today we were kidnapped by hill folk, never to be seen again. It was the best day ever."

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Saturday, August 7, 2004 7:41 PM

GHOULMAN

^^^ Dude, B&B are completely in charge... except for Paramount or UPN telling them to never "do politics" or some such sillyness.

Aside from that, the last season should be solid proof to anyone that these guys couldn't write a menu.

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Saturday, August 7, 2004 7:45 PM

GHOULMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by MiloraDell:
I don't much care either way - stay on, go off. I don't watch it either way.

But....didn't the captain on Enterprise have a beagle - Porthos, or somesuch - and didn't Firefly talk about smuggling some black market beagles?? Now that's some kind of funny!

****
I know your name, jackass.

... don't think we missed that one! lol!

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