Similar short-cut series? by Crowley

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Similar short-cut series?

POSTED BY: CROWLEY
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Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:53 PM

I was wondering what other series you people think are similar to Firefly in that they were great and then network executives pulled the plug for some reason or another. I'll list some I can think of. I thought of giving a brief description and thoughts on each show but frankly there isn't much that hasn't been already said somewhere on the internet. Try IMDB. Anyway, here are shows I have personally seen that were cancelled in the middle of everything and I can heartily recommend:

The Prisoner
Twin Peaks
Brimstone
Total Recall 2070
Odyssey 5
Sleepwalkers
Nowhere Man
Crusade

And I know someone will say Wonderfalls. Never seen it myself.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:04 PM

FILMCRITIC3000

Nothing Sacred
Cracker (1997 ABC version; damn shame Pastorelli died)
Spy Game
Brimstone
Freaks & Geeks
Futurama
Angel
The Invisible Man (2000 version)
That '80s Show (hey, I liked it more than That '70s Show...two words: Chyler Leigh)

And dozens of others whose names escape me now. I have "Wonderfalls" on TiVo; what I've seen is awesome..I'm nervous of watching them all, knowing that I'll have to wait until December for the DVD release, but I'm making progress.

FilmCritic3000

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:18 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

American Gothic
Dark Skies
Prey
Roar
Clerks, the Animated Series
The Critic
That's My Bush

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:31 PM

THEREALME

I like "Dark Angel"

The Real Me

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:43 PM

SOUPCATCHER

I gotta second That's My Bush. That show had me rolling.

Usually there is one show a year that I think shows tremendous promise but never makes it but every so often I get the double whammy. One year I was really starting to like "Kindred the Embraced" and "Profit". Then they both got yanked. Kinda soured me on TV for a while (especially after the actor who played the head vampire in Kindred went home to England and got killed in a car accident - I always thought the network executives got some karma from that one). Then I saw two other shows, "Firefly" and "John Doe". ...

... I think we remember the rest.

editted to add: On a side note, one of the characters from Kindred went on to have a role on Angel as Virginia Bryce. And it was interesting that a show about vampires got canned one year before Buffy got started. Also, in Profit, the main character slept in a box naked. The opening credits for Firefly with the River in a box scene reminded me of that.

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:18 PM

DANFAN

i give huge "I'm with ya" on Brimstone. I thought that show was extraordinary. I keep hoping that they will relase a boxed set of that show. Unfortunately, not only was it cult status... it was SMALL cult status. I fear that there will never be a boxed set release for it...

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:27 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I gotta second That's My Bush. That show had me rolling.

My only criticism of that show is I think they portrayed Bush as more intelligent than he really is.

PS: I forgot about VR5.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:27 PM

ARODIN

Another nod to Dark Angel -- not nearly as good as Firefly, but it had its moments and got sacked by the same gorram network as Firefly.

One of my favorite failures is Earth 2, lasted about as long as Firefly. I wish someone would try again with the premise of a crew of folks colonizing a new world.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:47 PM

ARCPLAYER

Brimstone
The Tick (cartoon and live action)
Strange Luck
Wolf Lake

One of the best Brimstone escapee's was Our Jubal Early playing a Carthaginian warrior.
The (cartoon) Tick was inspired lunacy. I loved the Dustin Hoffman-rainman inspired Sewer Urchin. Who can forget the Chamelian, "Can't....do.....Plaid!"

The first three picks are Fox victims.

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Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:22 PM

CROWLEY

I knew I'd forget some. Futurama, Earth 2 and American Gothic are definitely on my list too. One that hasn't been mentioned yet would be Chris Carter's Harsh Realm. That has one of my favourite scenes ever. Going from memory:

Some techie guy: "A retina scanner with a volfram-steel lock. We'll never get through this."
Pinocchio: "Oh really?" -Knocks on the door and when a soldier comes to open it Pinocchio knocks him down and goes in.

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Monday, July 26, 2004 1:16 AM

GROUNDED

Miracles

And remember Dark Angel got binned so Firefly could proceed...

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Monday, July 26, 2004 1:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Grounded wrote:
Monday, July 26, 2004 01:16

Quote:
And remember Dark Angel got binned so Firefly could proceed...

What was run after Dark Angel but before Firefly? I already have forgotten. I liked

Dark Angel
John Doe
The Tick
Wonderfalls

I don't watch much t.v. anymore. Don't much see the point.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Monday, July 26, 2004 2:03 AM

HAKEN

Likes to mess with stuffs.

Space: Above and Beyond
Now and Again
Invisible Man
John Doe
Millennium

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Monday, July 26, 2004 3:39 AM

CMUGUY76

I have to agree with Grounded. Miracles was an awesome show. ABC really jerked that show around a lot like FOX did to firefly. It was kind of a new X-files without ripping off the X-files.

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Monday, July 26, 2004 4:37 AM

RHYMEPHILE

Actually, the Millennium Season 1 box set just came out on DVD this past Tuesday (July 20); Harsh Realm is out in a box set (all aired episodes including the few they didn't) on August 24; and the animated Clerks series is collected in a 2-DVD box set titles "Clerks: Uncensored," all available from your local happy online e-tailer.

I also mentioned this topic in a recent blog here on the site, but you can go to TVShowsonDVD.com and do a search for some titles that may be out on DVD and you may not be aware of it. Also, you can sign on to the site (free) and vote for your favorite shows you wished were on DVD.

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"It's because they're stupid, that's why! That's why everybody does everything!"

~~ Homer Simpson

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Monday, July 26, 2004 4:54 AM

ARCBEATLE

I'm Thirding the John Doe.
(In my oppinion better then firefly, which is heresy here so Ill shut up)

and I really want to see Kindred hte embraced, Ive played the white wolf game, and though I know its not exactly like it, ITs should be rather cool.

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

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Monday, July 26, 2004 11:36 AM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Quote:
Originally posted by Haken:
Millennium

I liked the idea of Millenium before they cancelled that and kept the show going - Lance Henriksen was a breath of fresh air at the time, and in many ways a flip side to Gil Grissom in CSI (in fact, the two shows share a heck of a lot of similarities).

The show suffered, IMO, because Carter was expected to create a show like X-Files, and tried to live up to that. Had he not had the overt supernatural overtones maybe it would have lasted - then again we wouldn't have got that stunning episode at the end of season one with the angels and demons (as I recall, James Marsters may have been in that one?) Really need to see that episode again - really shouldn't splash out on that shiny DVD set.

"I threw up on your bed"

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Monday, July 26, 2004 7:29 PM

SOUPCATCHER

Apologies in advance for kind of hijacking the thread...

Arcbeatle, I know it's out there on VHS. I saw it recently in a video rental store. The show never really had a chance to get going but there was a lot of promise. Not all the clans from the game are present (I never played but I got curious after watching the show and leafed through some of the material). From what I remember, the represented clans are Ventru, Gangrel, Toreador, Bruja, and Nosferatu. I don't know how closely the show parallels the game in other details.

Okay, back to the thread.

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

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Monday, July 26, 2004 7:50 PM

SGTGUMP

Space: Above and Beyond

And The Simpsons. I know that it is still on, but if they ever cancel it, it will not have been on long enough for me.

"Rasberry!" - Lord Helmet

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Monday, July 26, 2004 8:18 PM

SHINYOBJECT

well hgere's my list but I can't talk about it to much lest I start sobbing

In no particular order

Family guy
Futurama
Invader zim
Roswell
Sportsnight
Freaks and Geeks
Lone Gunman
Boomtown
Keen Eddie

And everytime I see an ad for the next reality show I die a little inside

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Monday, July 26, 2004 8:31 PM

CHISBO

The only shows that I can think of that were cancelled mid-season and in as ugly a way as Firefly are Wonderfalls and Jeremiah. Jeremiah was one of the best shows ever, and it was cancelled in season 2, not 1, like Firefly, but still in the middle. Also, Space:Above and Beyond was good(but didn't it quit at the end of a season), as was Brisco County Jr.

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Monday, July 26, 2004 8:46 PM

SERENITYSMYBOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by arcbeatle:
I'm Thirding the John Doe.
(In my oppinion better then firefly, which is heresy here so Ill shut up)

and I really want to see Kindred hte embraced, Ive played the white wolf game, and though I know its not exactly like it, ITs should be rather cool.

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD YOU? John doe is not nearly as good as Firefly

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Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:30 AM

MRSKBORG

Oh man no wonder I don't watch TV anymore - you all can chalk up another John Doe fan here I was really getting into it then it vanished, Brimstone was another that I liked and SAAB, and I seem to remember something called Good Vs Evil which might have ran for one or two seasons it dissappeared too. Oh yeah and Jeremiah - the second season of which they never bothered to sow over here in the UK and it and Odyssey 5 were really really good.

Its no wonder I spend so much time online you know.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:54 AM

ARCBEATLE

Yessiry, I managed to live on JD after Firefly was cruely suffed out with a sledge hammer that had alreadyhit it repetedy... But when JD Ended on the most awesome cliff hanger ever, getting ready for a season two that would boggle the mind and generally make people wow at it...

Fox just shoved it aside. I even kept up hope when they were going to show it over last summer... Well, we all know how much was aired (AKA, none.)

Sorry I ranted. Now I Plan to buy that movie out foxed and cheer every time they bash it, see yall.

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

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Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:25 PM

ELFSTONE

Andy Richter Controls the Universe

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Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:35 PM

EVILMASTERMIND

Dark Skies
Dark Angel
Space Above & Beyond
Brimstone
Battlestar Galactica (Original Series)
Millenium

"Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry and I'm armed!"

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Friday, July 30, 2004 5:21 PM

LINDLEY

I've always thought there was a great degree of kinship between Firefly and Wonderfalls.

Both involved Tim Minear. Both were in the Friday Night Death Slot on FUX. Both had a comperable number of filmed eps.

And most importantly, both had characters that you loved so completely that it almost didn't matter what the story was this week----you already knew you were going to love it.

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Friday, July 30, 2004 11:15 PM

GROUNDED

John Doe had a great premise (better than Firefly's) but, unlike Firefly, it got poorer as the episodes went on. Still would have liked to see a resolution to it though :(

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Saturday, August 7, 2004 3:34 PM

WILDHEAVENFARM

Forever Knight. It was cancelled prematurely *3* times.

Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.

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Monday, August 9, 2004 5:09 AM

CYBERSNARK

Well, vampires do tend to be pretty hard to kill.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:54 PM

LJC

vr.5
odyssey 5
ez streets
touching evil (us)

granted, with the exception of the never-seen-its-like-again-tho-05-is-close ez streets, each of these at least got a whole first season (tho vr.5 and touching evil only had 13 ep commitments), but they should have been mroe than just "one season wonders."

--
Some take the high road. Some take the low road.
And some just go screaming down the highway, dropping flaming bits of wreckage.

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Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:56 PM

SYNTH

Dark Skies. Definite agreement. I love that alternate/revisionist history stuff. It's so tricky to pull off well.

Strange Luck. No doubt about it. I thought it has the most potential of all the X-Files spin-offs. Haven't thought about it for YEARS, and now I want to see it again. =(

How about SeaQuest DSV? For a series that was thematically similar to Star Trek TNG, I thought it was MUCH more sophisticated. And particle-holograms are cool.

I just posted on the General Discussions Forum about a series that wasn't S.F. and which I never saw, but was axed after 13 episodes: The Westerner. My dad really enjoyed it when it aired in 1960, and has commented several times since I turned him on to Firefly about the similarities between the two shows. He says that Firefly's sense of humor, no-nonsense action and all around guts kept reminding him of The Westerner. I imagine there's ZERO chance of my ever seeing it, but it's one I would LOVE to see someday. Maybe when past-viewing gets perfected =)

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Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:11 PM

SYNTH

Max Headroom. I can't believe I forgot Max Headroom. I was absolutely GLUED to the TV when this was on. Couldn't wait for the next episode. I still miss this show.

The Flash. I know it was cheesy, but it was a chance to see Amanda Pays doing her backup-behind-the-sceens-direction-over-the-mike thing again after Max Headroom was canceled.

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Friday, August 20, 2004 12:22 AM

PURPLEBELLY

Star Cops
http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0088613/
BBC series that ran foul of a corporate scale trade dispute with studio electricians. Creative team had dispersed by the time the dispute was settled.

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Friday, August 20, 2004 2:37 AM

MICRONAUT

Quote:
Originally posted by Chisbo:
The only shows that I can think of that were cancelled mid-season and in as ugly a way as Firefly are Wonderfalls and Jeremiah. Jeremiah was one of the best shows ever, and it was cancelled in season 2, not 1, like Firefly, but still in the middle.

Actually, Jeremiah finished Season 2 (the entire season 2 aired in Canada) although there were only 15 or so episodes in the second season, compared to 20 in the first. That said, the remaining eps of Season 2 of Jeremiah are scheduled to air this September/October on Showtime...

And, for me, Wonderfalls was the ONLY series in the last decade or so to equal the depth of character and genius writing of Firefly... and I think Firefly was the best written show... EVER!

Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total failure to make any progress...

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:15 AM

MICRONAUT

Jeremiah schedule on Showtime...

[Season Two Concludes on Showtime, SHO Too and SHO Beyond]
9/03/04 27 Crossing Jordan [SHO Fri 8:00 pm ET/PT]
9/03/04 28 Running on Empty [SHO Fri 9:00 pm ET/PT]
9/10/04 29 The Question [SHO Fri 8:00 pm ET/PT]
9/10/04 30 The Past is Prologue [SHO Fri 9:00 pm ET/PT]
9/17/04 31 The Face in the Mirror [SHO Fri 8:00 pm ET/PT]
9/17/04 32 State of the Union [SHO Fri 9:00 pm ET/PT]
9/24/04 33 Interregnum Part 1 [SHO Fri 8:00 pm ET/PT]
9/24/04 34 Interregnum Part 2 [SHO Fri 9:00 pm ET/PT]

Much work remains to be done before we can announce our total failure to make any progress...

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:38 AM

REGINLEIF

Quote:
Originally posted by FilmCritic3000:
Nothing Sacred
Cracker (1997 ABC version; damn shame Pastorelli died)
Spy Game
Brimstone
Freaks & Geeks
Futurama
Angel
The Invisible Man (2000 version)
That '80s Show (hey, I liked it more than That '70s Show...two words: Chyler Leigh)

And dozens of others whose names escape me now. I have "Wonderfalls" on TiVo; what I've seen is awesome..I'm nervous of watching them all, knowing that I'll have to wait until December for the DVD release, but I'm making progress.

FilmCritic3000

Ahh, Futurama...

By the way, (sorry for my ignorance) what's Wonderfalls about?

You can't take the sky from me.

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:16 AM

FILMCRITIC3000

"Wonderfalls", created by Bryan Fuller (creator of the awesome Showtime grim reaper series "Dead Like Me" - watch it if ever you get the chance!) aired on FOX in March. Tim Minear of "Buffy", "Angel", and "Firefly" fame, was an executive producer of "Wonderfalls". It starred Canadian actress Caroline Dhavernas as Jaye, a snarky college grad at a gift shop located at Niagra Falls called Wonderfalls. She begins to think she's going crazy when items in the store (a wax lion with a smooshed face, a ceramic cow coffee creamer, among others) start talking to her and telling her to do certain things (not give a customer her change back, set up your sister with a deliveryman). It's the very antithesis to "Joan of Arcadia". Jaye is opinionated, forward, and witty, and the show plays more like a dark comedy. FOX, in its infinite wisdom and sensing that somehow an intelligent show got on the air, canned "Wonderfalls" after only four episodes had aired. Thankfully, the entire series will be coming to DVD on December 7th (along with Carnivale, a show I missed out on) so others can experience the wit and wonder that is "Wonderfalls". More information can be found at the websites below:

http://www.savewonderfalls.com
http://www.wonderfallstv.net

I hope this helps! :)

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:55 AM

LINDLEY

Quote:
It's the very antithesis to "Joan of Arcadia".

I wouldn't say that. I'd say its a similar idea, from a different perspective.

Wonderfalls is what would happen if it were Grace rather than Joan getting the assignments, I think.....

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:58 AM

FILMCRITIC3000

Quote:
Originally posted by Lindley:
Quote:
It's the very antithesis to "Joan of Arcadia".

I wouldn't say that. I'd say its a similar idea, from a different perspective.

Wonderfalls is what would happen if it were Grace rather than Joan getting the assignments, I think.....

Thank you! That's exactly right! I apologize. I meant the show isn't as dramatic as "Joan Of Arcadia" (which I also enjoy). :)

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:30 PM

CORNCOBB

I've a feeling this is gonna be a gorram long list:
John Doe
Witchblade
Millenium
The Lone Gunmen
Angel
Jeremiah
Good Vs Evil
Strange Luck
Brimstone
American Gothic
Jake 2.0

I think, of all these shows, John Doe and Angel were the two that most needed closure. (who was John Doe? can anyone tell me? Please?)

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I hate, hate, HATE the word 'cancelled'.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:44 PM

REGINLEIF

Quote:
Originally posted by FilmCritic3000:
I hope this helps! :)

It did! Thank you :)

You can't take the sky from me.

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Monday, August 23, 2004 7:59 AM

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Quote:
Originally posted by Chisbo:
Also, Space:Above and Beyond was good(but didn't it quit at the end of a season.

Yeah, Space: Above and Beyond got cancelled after finishing one season, but the season (and series) finale was a sort of cliff hanger. It closed out one story line (colonist POWs returned) but left the rest of the story (missing members of 58th squadron) as a cliffhanger. All they really had to do to finish the series satisfyingly (in my opinion) was make a 2 hour episode closing up all major story lines.

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Monday, August 23, 2004 9:31 AM

ANJIN

Thank goodness someone got around to mentioning Sports Night. Yeah, it ran for two years, but it had a few more in it. I've watched the DVD set five times and I'm halfway through the sixth.

---
Raven's Prayer
http://webpages.charter.net/anjinm

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Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:46 AM

REGINAROADIE

Hey. I just discovered this thread, and I figured that this would be a good time to resurrect it.

I got a whole list of shows that should've lasted longer than they should have. The usual suspects include the original STAR TREK, FUTURAMA, SPORTS NIGHT, MR. SHOW and UNDECLARED. But there was one show that was on at the same time as FIREFLY, and while it lasted a full half season longer and some change, it was equally screwed over, despite it being an unconventional genre approach and a critical darling. I am, of course, talking about BOOMTOWN, the greatest cop show you've never seen.

The overall structure, the emotional content, the characters (especially David McNorris, who has to be the most complex character to ever be on a network tv show) and the overall tone of the show was just a sight to behold. And even though the second season only lasted about nine eps, I'm still waiting on it's DVD release.

And one show that lasted only two episodes that has always stuck with me, even five years later, was show on ABC called WONDERLAND, which was set in a mental institution and deal with the staff that worked there. The pilot is one of the best pilots I've ever seen, and the Madonna/William Orbit theme song to it is one of the more haunting tunes you'd ever hear.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ... ow ... ound ... round ... ground! That's it! That's a good name - ground! I wonder if it will be friends with me?

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